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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: dianat on Wednesday 03 August 11 10:36 BST (UK)
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On a Church baptism certificate in 1874 for Thomas Warner. It is noted that my great grandparents James Warner(born 1844) and Eliza Hill Warner (born 1847) were living at 34, Essex Street, Haggerston, London. However under the column Quality, Trade or Profession it says Telegraph and I think the next word is Club. On another Birth Baptism for their first child, 1869, the occupation for James Warner (1844) is a Printer. On the census for 1871 he is a Newsagent. Census 1881 a General Dealer and after that he doesn't appear on any further census with his family nor can I find him. His name appears on marriage certificates for three children 1897, 1905 and 1907 but I doubt whether he attended He was a commercial traveller on the first, commission agent on the second and a traveller on the third. Does Telegraph Club have any bearing on the above.
Thank you for reading and any thoughts will be gratefully received.
Best wishes
Diana Terry
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If this is listed at Haggerston St Columba 08/07/1873 I think the occupation is "telephone Clerk"
Louisa Maud
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Hi, I agree with Louisa Maud.
Jennifer
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Thank you so much Louisa and Jennifer for your comments. I didn't read the word as Clerk but now I can see that. Actually, it must be Telegraph and not Telephone because the telephone as far as we know was not in use in England until about 1878 when Bell demonstrated the telephone to Queen Victoria on the Isle of Wight. Then there were only 7 or 8 subscribers for a time.
Thank you again
Best wishes
Diana
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Hi Diana
There is a Essex Street street off of Fleet Street. In the1800's The Daily Telegraph Newspaper had offices at 133 Fleet Street. Could James have lived around the corner from where he worked at the Telegraph Newspaper?? The address is now Goldman Sachs Bank who took the premises over. The area is now called Holborn.
Saying that on my look around for Essex Street I did find one at Haggerston, Middlesex. It was a family called Burness and they lived at number 58 in 1871 so neighbours of your Warners?
regards Sandymc
p.s. Just now had a look for the Electric Telegraph Company who were THE Company for any telegraph communications in that time had their Head Office on The Strand which is also a turn left from Essex Street, Holborn.
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Hi Sandy
Thank you for your help as always.
This Warner family lived at Essex Street, Haggeston, Middlesex. Shoreditch, Bethnal Green, St. Luke's all the same area it seems. Its strange because in 1871 James Warner was a Newsagent. In 1874 a Telegraph Clerk, not the Telegraph Newspaper I feel but a Telegraph Operator. Census for 1881 a General Dealer. Then his name is entered on Marriage Certificates for various children but I suspect not present, as a Stationer on one, a Commercial Traveller on another and on another a Commission Agent. Probably, like to-day, good to have an occupation no matter what it entails. Just wish I could find him in 1891, 1901 and with 1911 census becoming available soon, maybe I shall strike lucky in 1911.
Thank you again
Best wishes
Diana
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What was his children's names?
Did you find Eliza living alone on other census ?
LM
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Sarah is on her own with her children on 1891 but isn't showing as "w" so I assume her husband was still alive
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Hi Louisa
My great grandfather was an unpleasant character according to my Mother. He married Eliza Hill (born 1847) in 1867. They had six children, James John 1868. Eliza 1871 she married William (Billy) Hunwick in 1897. Thomas 1874. Charles 1877 he married Sarah Roberts in 1905 (my grandparents). Phoebe 1881 she married Walter Edmund Prodrick in 1907 and William 1884.
James, Eliza and children appear on census 1871 and 1881. Eliza and remaining unmarried children appear on census 1891, 1901. She is said to be the Head but also married. James Warner 1844 doesn't appear anywhere on any census after 1881. My mother told me her grandfather was killed by a tram but after much research no information exists for this accident. I found that he probably died in 1914 in Hackney, Middlx.
I am hoping that when the census for 1911 comes on line I might find this man but I am not hopeful as I think he avoided the various census for reasons we might never discover.
Best wishes
Diana
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Perhaps he used a different christian name, yes, he might well have missed the census man when hecame round the door, not the first to do that as many seem to go missing
LM
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1901
rg13/55 f 136 p 58
8 Reporton Road Fulham
There is a lone
James J Warner living in 1 room shown as "wid" aged aged 58, a carman, born Hackney, a year out but is that a possibility
LM
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Thank you Louisa but its not my ggrandfather either. I feel I have exhausted all possibilities. In Australia we have our census on the night of this August 9th. Its every five years here. And I realise how easy it is to be found missing. A Census Man came to the door asked how many persons will be here on the census night and left us forms. So we could have several illegal immigrants here and no one would know. A census is also only as good as the census taker and that's why it is sometimes so difficult to read what has been written.
Thank you so much for your interest in my dilemma
Best wishes
Diana
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I think I have exhausted all possibilities, UNLESS someone else knows better, I suppose there is a possibility he might have gone abroad, anyway Dianat, good luck, I hope you find him eventually
LM