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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: genealogistsykes on Sunday 31 July 11 12:16 BST (UK)
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Hi there, i cant make out what the name is, it looks like Minnie's Curls, not sure. Inside this envelope it has curls from a girls hair from august 1872.
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Definately curls but I'm not sure they are from a Minnie.
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it looks like someone has made a mistake on the first letter, could it be a g or an f?
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Hi sykes,you could be right there,I was thinking Annie.
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I don't suppose it could be a Julie?
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I wonder if it might be June's curls - there are lots of dots that could be random blemishes rather than dots on 'i's. Do you have any idea of the possible names it might be in your family? Not something that anyone other than a mother would keep I'd say.
Heather
p.s. depending on the length of the curls you might be able to work out a rough date of birth for the girl in question. Is it very fine baby hair or more mature, strong and thick?
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i've found a Mina Caroline Green on my family tree b. 1864
could be her?
The hair is of a young childs, i'll try and get a picture up
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Here is a picture:
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Could it be Niece's Curls?
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I thought it was Niece's Curls. First hair cut, maybe?
My mum had some of my son's baby hair in an album.
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My immediate thought was "niece's"
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I thought 'Niece's' too, but maybe they had started to write the girl's name and then decided on 'niece's'
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Go with that Kit!
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Jenie's
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Mmm, I'm now seeing a 'grave' accent over the 'e' of niece. I know that there are lots of dots, but does anyone else see it? Maybe I should go to bed.
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A third for niece's curls
Ken
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Minnie was a very popular name for the period.Three of my ancestors not of the same family were named Minnie
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i've found a Mina Caroline Green on my family tree b. 1864
could be her?
The hair is of a young childs, i'll try and get a picture up
I suppose the writing could say Mini but the hair looks as if it's from a first cut and not really from an 8 year old. I think I'd be looking for a girl born around 1870 if it were mine.
Heather
p.s. maybe in some years' time DNA testing will have progressed so that you can get some clues from the hair itself :) At present I think it needs to have the follicle still attached, whereas this sample has been cut.
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I thought it was Niece's Curls. First hair cut, maybe?
My mum had some of my son's baby hair in an album.
Yes. I agree with you, it could be Niece. Have you thought of it getting a DNA analysis?
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Mmm, I'm now seeing a 'grave' accent over the 'e' of niece. I know that there are lots of dots, but does anyone else see it? Maybe I should go to bed.
A bigger blob I think.
Yes. I agree with you, it could be Niece. Have you thought of it getting a DNA analysis?
See previous posting by HeatherLynne, I am told it still needs the follicle.
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Yes. I agree with you, it could be Niece. Have you thought of it getting a DNA analysis?
See previous posting by HeatherLynne, I am told it still needs the follicle.
Please don't take my word for it about the follicle - that was just what I found by a quick bit of Googling! :)
Heather
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On a DNA thread on this site it was pointed out to me that a hair is not sufficient for a DNA test to be successful.
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it could be Niece's hair actually :) but i have no idea what her name was, as the envelope was chucked in with a lot of other family stuff in a big brown envelope and it had many more things of different people, so there is no way in finding the name of her. :(
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a DNA test? this hair is from 1872, i don't think a DNA test would work :)
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I wonder if some geographical information could still be deduced by certain rare metals contained in the hair sample.
Just looking at it, I deduce some Irish content .
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Anyone else notice the faint writing underneath the ink writing in the middle of the envelope?
Do you think it might be worth a clue with a closer look ???
Deb
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Any clue provided by the 'crest' on the envelope flap?
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I suggest that you may like to read "Hair Analysis" on Wiki Pedia.
Is there such a thing as Forensic Archeology. If I were you I would try to contact your County Archeologist and ask them do they know of any university research department which may be interested in looking at this hair sample.
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problem with that is that i live in Jersey, Channel Islands. :)
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The writing underneath the crest is in Latin, it reads:
'IN COELO CONFIDENUS'
'Heaven In The Positive'
On the back of the envelope it says:
C. HICKSON
NEWCASTLE, STAFFORDSHIRE - Could that be the address of the person who gave it to one of my ancestors?
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I suggest that you may like to read "Hair Analysis" on Wiki Pedia.
Is there such a thing as Forensic Archeology. If I were you I would try to contact your County Archeologist and ask them do they know of any university research department which may be interested in looking at this hair sample.
There is such a thing as forensic archaeology. It's principal use is in saving police time when bodies are discovered, often the result is "Foul play, but the murderer has been dead X hundred years!" I am sure a research department would be delighted to carry out the analysis, but unless you are rich you wouldn't like the bill.
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Why are you so sure the hair belonged to a girl?
It might have been the curls of a boy at his first haircut perhaps.
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Not sure what the name is but there definitely seems to be a u in the middle of the name, if you compare the 2nd u in August and the u in curls they look really similar. The first letter of each word is capitalised which makes it harder to read as there is a big flourish. sorry not a lot of help
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Could it be Lucies curls?
Schooner
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Nice try, but that first letter just isn't an L.
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Another vote for niece's curls.
yn9man