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Hi all im new to Rootschat and was wondering if someone out there can help,
Im looking for information on my great grandmother, i have marriage certificate, death certificate and found her on the 1901 census, i cant find her anywhere before the marriage in 1888,
Name: Sophia Elizabeth Knighton
Born: C1865
Married: Frederick William Tomkins in LIverpool 1888
in the 1901 census she was listed in Toxteth Liverpool, on her Marriage certificate her father is listed as Charles Knighton Master Mariner Deceased.
The Charles Knighton i can find doesnt show as having any children.
If any one can help i would be grateful
Thanks
Alex :)
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Can't seem to find them on the 1901! Can you give the reference? Also, where does it say she was born?
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Hi,
1901 census ref is RG13/3497
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It says she was born in camberwell on the census but the only sophias born there in that period had fathers called william and james not Charles
Thanks
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Do you have the names of the witnesses to the marriage?
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Witnesses are
AE Grundy
M E Edwards
married on 03/02/1888 in the registry office in West Derby Liverpool
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here's the family in 1891 - transcribed as SIMKINS! ::)
G12; Piece: 2923; Folio 106; Page 26
However, tough family this...Sophia is now down as being born in Scotland, and Frederick in Clerkenwell Middx!
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Many thanks for finding that,
I have Frederick as Clerkenwell
As for Sophia being born Scotland i ahve searched Scotlands people to no Avail,
of the 8 children she had i have looked at all the baptism records and on one of them in 1894 she changed her Middle name to Mary.
She is very difficult to trace
Thanks
Again for the help
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Do you have the birth certificate of her eldest son William?
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There are two births for Sophia Knightons on FreeBMD registered in Camberwell:
AMJ 1863
Sophia Elizabeth KNIGHTON
Camberwell Vol 1d page 504
JAS 1863
Sophia KNIGHTON
Camberwell Vol 1d page 489
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I dont have birth certificate for William, Just Minnie Catherine who was born in 1904
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It might be worthwhile getting that. They must have married either just before he was born, or just after, as both marriage and birth appear to have been registered in the same quarter.
William Frederick Tomkins - JFM 1888 - Reg: West Derby - Vol 8b - Pg 561
I see they baptised him Frederick William, just to confuse things more!!
Just might give a little more detail. It's possible she could have been married before? And it's also possible she made up a father? :-\ :-\
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There are two births for Sophia Knightons on FreeBMD registered in Camberwell:
AMJ 1863
Sophia Elizabeth KNIGHTON
Camberwell Vol 1d page 504
JAS 1863
Sophia KNIGHTON
Camberwell Vol 1d page 489
Hi,
I have looked at both of these and the fathers names are James and William, she states father as being Charles on marriage certificate
Thanks
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I will order Certificate for William and see what transpires from that, from the leads she giving i am beginning to wonder what truth was with her, Camberwell then Scotland for birth, different middle name on Baptism for one of the Children,
Thanks for the helpso far , i have gotten a little further than i was which is a bonus
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When you say you have looked at the two birth's of the Sophia's in Camberwell...did you order the certs?
You're welcome. I had a frustrating lady who changed her birth from Scotland and London etc, she ended up being born in Ireland!!
Do you have her on the 1911 census? Where was her husband on the 1901?
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I ordered the certificates when i first started out, very expensive when you think its an easy task tracing family lol,
As far as iknow Frederick was a ships cook so was possibly away abourd ship in 1901, i cant find them on the 1911 census but will look it up under simkins as the 1891 was under that
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Having searched the 1911 census i cant find any trace, even looked at the 9 addreses i have for the period 1888 to 1911.
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http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?4
In Advanced Search, look for Gladys, who was the baby in 1901 (should they be still in Lancashire West Derby by 1911?) set the surname as a 'variant' as TOMKINS is easily mis-spelled.
If you find her, then put HER name in the "Other Members of the Household" fields, and just the surname at the top "Personal"fields - running this 2nd search will show other members of the household with the same surname.
You can also use this 1911:
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/search.page/index/census_1911
This one indexes the place of Birth of a person.
The 1891 has been transcribed as SIMKINS, but it was enumerated as TOMKINS.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly,
Thank you Sucess with the 1911 census
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Today i recieved the Birth certificate for the eldest child William, on this his Mother is listed as Elizabeth Sophia, makes things more complicated for a search for now.
what i have is,
Elizabeth Sophia Knighton
Sophia Elizabeth Knighton
Sophia Mary Knighton
Born c1865 in Camberwell or Edinburgh or London in General
Father Charles Knighton, Master Mariner.
Stumped, ???
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Hi, i posted this a while back and got some really good help. im still struggling with this woman and thought a repost might find some new help-, a;; help greatly appreciated, basically need to find a birth
Im looking for information on my great grandmother, i have marriage certificate, death certificate and found her on the 1901 census, i cant find her anywhere before the marriage in 1888,
Name: Sophia Elizabeth Knighton
Born: C1865
Married: Frederick William Tomkins in LIverpool 1888
in the 1901 census she was listed in Toxteth Liverpool, on her Marriage certificate her father is listed as Charles Knighton Master Mariner Deceased.
The Charles Knighton i can find doesnt show as having any children.
If any one can help i would be grateful
Thanks
Alex
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There's no need to start a new thread- duplicate requests only cause confusion and extra work for those trying to help so I've merged your latest message with the existing thread.
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Hi Alex,
What does it say was her place of birth in the 1901 census?
Linda
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Hi,
1901 census ref is RG13/3497
i
It says she was born in camberwell on the census but the only sophias born there in that period had fathers called william and james not Charles
Thanks
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sorry for new thread aghadowey, didnt realise i could merge,
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You can't merge threads (only a moderator can do that) but you can just continue posting in an existing thread.
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Thanks, aghadowey, I don't think my eyes are working properly this morning! ::)
Linda