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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: JenClark on Monday 02 May 05 11:42 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am pretty new to Welsh genealogy as I have just found my first Welsh ancestor ;D
I am not sure where to start looking now though, I have a Cecilia or Sicilia Walters born around 1810 in Chepstow, Monmouthshire (this is according to the 1851 census)
I would really love to find out more about her and her family but I have nothing more to go on yet.
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
Thanks
Jenny
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Jenny,
I cannot see your ancestor in the IGI so it looks as if you will need to refer to parish records.
Gwent Record Office, http://www.llgc.org.uk/cac/cac0004.htm, should hold the records for Chepstow, although it is possible that Gloucester, http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleID=1348, may also be worth a try.
Good luck,
Viv
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Hi Viv,
Thanks for the advice. I have just found out that her father was Morgan Walters (farmer) so I will have a bit of a look around now I have something to go on..
Thanks again :)
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
Don't know if this is much help but I've just discovered that my 4xgt grandmother was probably Eliza Waters born in Chepstow sometime between 1805-1810.
I have found this entry on IGI - I was looking at Wales but Monmouthshire comes under England! ::)
Enter batch number C033591 and father's name Morgan Waters. Sorry I tried to put a link but it doesn't seem to work.
Could this Waters family have anything to do with yours?
Debbie ;)
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Hi Debbie,
This is a definate possibility - I have my Cecelia Walters with so many name variations, both first and last name, that it is not funny! Sometimes it is spelled Watters or Walters - so Waters is really not a big stretch. I wonder whether Morgan Waters was a farmer?
Are you related to this family?
Thanks for the help :)
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
I think I've found my 4xg grandparents marriage in Weston-super-Mare in 1826. Eliza Waters and Charles Jones. In 1851 they are living in Bath. Eliza born Chepstow abt 1805. I am hoping she was the daughter of Morgan & Rachel Waters baptised in 1811. Assuming she was born 1810, this would make Eliza only 15 or 16 when she married which would possibly explain her age being 5 yrs older in 1851.
I thought the daughter without a first name baptised in 1805 could be your Cecilia? If so does this make us cousins? ;D
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
If she is the mystery child then yes we would be. Cecelia Walters is my ggg grandmother. She also moved away - she married William Bowden in Bristol in 1837 then moved to his home town of Instow, Devon where my gg grandfather William Henry Bowden was born in 1842.
I would love to find out more about this family you mentioned of Morgan and Rachel Waters - do you have any other records of them? Census returns etc? I would love to know if he was a farmer - as that is what her marriage states. The only clue to her age I have is the 1851 census too - she is put at 41yrs (c.1810) born Chepstow - so who knows...
Let me know if you find anything else of interest :)
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
Have a look at this site.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/Newchurch%20Baptisms%201801-1812.htm
There is a baptism of a Celia daughter of Morgan and Rachel Waters in 1804!
There is also a marriage index and it shows Morgan Waters married Rachel Habots 5 April 1796 in Newchurch, Monmouthshire.
Looks like we've both got a new name to add to our trees ;D
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
That sounds more promising ;D
Had a bit of a look see and I have the following:
Morgan Waters m. Rachel Habots 5 Apr 1796 Newchurch, Monmouth
Children:
1. Celia Waters chr. 8 Apr 1804 Newchurch by Chepstow
2. Hannah Waters chr. 1 Jun 1806 Newchurch by Chepstow
3. Mary Waters chr. 11 Sept 1808 Newchurch by Chepstow
4. Elizabeth Waters chr. 27 Jan 1811 Newchurch by Chepstow
I also found.. :)
Rachel Abetts chr. 27 Nov 1768 Newchurch by Chepstow
Father: William Abetts Mother: Mary
there were 2 other children too
John Abetts chr. 5 may 1763 Newchurch by Chepstow
Henry Abetts chr. 18 Aug 1766 Newchurch by Chepstow
What do you think? Habots and Abetts or Abotts could be a possibility I think
Jenny
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Hello again Jenny,
Was Cecelia's father a farmer on her marriage cert?
I've had another look at this site and I'm wondering if this could be his will?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/Mon-Will-Index-W-Z.htm
Morgan Walter, Aberystruth, Mon, farmer, WI(2X)
Ref: LL/1854/22
The date (1854) and occupation could be right but the parish of Aberystruth is a bit more worrying. Did farmers move around much?
I'll find out how to get a copy - it may be worth it ;)
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
The plot thickens! Yes Cecelia's father was a farmer on her marriage certificate. I would be interested in seeing what the will had to say. I don't think that farmer's moved around much but I have had other farmers move a bit between census returns before so it is not completely unheard of :)
Aberystruth is not all that far from Chepstow about and in fact the christenings of the children are in Newchurch which is about 6 miles from Chepstow itself (as far as I can tell)
Worth a look I reckon. I also found another possible record:
Morgan Walters married Hannah Gwillam 6 Jan 1791 Newchurch
I could not find the record you mentioned with Rachel Habots - could you forward the link to me? Do you think this might be an earlier marriage for the same fellow or a seperate man?
I am intruiged as to this will though - fingers crossed :)
Jenny
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Hi Jenny
On IGI I found this:
Morgan Walters married Rachel Watkins
21 FEB 1835 Aberystryth, Monmouth, England
This looks a possibilty for the Morgan Walters who left the will in 1858. Could be a relation I suppose but there are a few Morgan Waters/Walters in the area around this time.
I'm sure I found the marriage of Morgan Waters and Rachel Habots here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/grooms-wa-wh.html
but it seems to no longer show the dates ???
It said Morgan Waters w so maybe he was widowed?
I have to admit I am getting more confused ???
Debbie :)
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Hey Debbie,
I realise it is a gazillion years since we posted about our Waters/Walters families, but I jave recently delved back into my Welsh ancestry and I think I have found more information that might help you with your tree (if you haven't already sorted it sometime in the last 13 or so years!! ;D)
I believe that Eliza Waters (b 1811) the daughter of Morgan & Rachel Waters of Newchurch died in her youth. I have found a burial for a 16 year old Eliza Waters on the 23rd May 1827 at Newchurch.
I suspect that your Eliza Waters (who married Charles Gee Jones in 1826 in Weston-Super-Mare, Somerset) was the daughter of John Waters and Betty Hodges of Chepstow.
Eliza Waters d of John Waters and Betty his wife was baptised 1st January 1806 at Chepstow
John Waters and Betty Hodges were married on 10th July 1798 at Chepstow, they had 6 children including Eliza
I have a copy of Eliza's marriage to Charles Jones and on it there is a Sarah Waters as a witness. This is most likely her elder sister Sarah Elizabeth Waters who was baptised on 21st August 1799. There is no Sarah Waters in Morgan & Rachel Waters' family. Charles & Eliza Jones also named one of their daughters Sarah Elizabeth Jones....perhaps after her aunt?
If you think this may be a match for your family, send me a PM with your e-mail and I will forward you the images from the parish registers.
I hope you are well, and still enjoying family history research ;)
Jenny
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Hi Jen,
Your mention of Charles Gee-Jones caught my eye! I'm not sure if you know anything about him but google his name, look for Shipwrecked Mariners and you'll see a paint of him!!
I was also interested that you have a copy of his marriage certificate ...
Antony.
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Hi Antony & welcome to Rootschat :)
I'm afraid I don't know much about Charles Gee Jones, as he is not part of my family, is he a a relative of yours? I have seen the portrait before though, pretty impressive isn't it?
I am more than happy to pass on the marriage record I have for Charles Jones and Eliza Waters, and the baptisms records in Chepstow for Eliza Waters and her siblings if they are of interest to you. Just flick me a PM with your e-mail address if you are keen.
Though you may already have those records....is this article your work?
http://www.wsmfhs.org.uk/research_forum_view.php?nID=222
Very cool if you did get to meet the Princess Royal through the connection ;)
Jenny