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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: judefw on Monday 25 July 11 12:53 BST (UK)
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Hello, this is my first post so sorry if I don't get it right.
I have a really confusing gt, gt grandparent called George Tippett born about 1854 in Devonport (can't trace record of birth there). He joined army as a sapper and went to Malta for a while before being posted back to Devonport. In 1877 he married Mary Ann Howard. they had children Cyrus George 1881 in Malta, Annie B Matilda 1886, my gt grandfather John Henry Tippett Bennett. Further children also Tippett Bennett. I am trying to work out where the Bennett came from and why my gt grandparent registered his own marriage and death as Bennett, not Tippett.
I am also trying to find out who George Tippett's parents were...i wonder whether he actually came from Cornwall..but all the census entries say Devonport as birthplace so I can't get to bottom of it. I do know he worked as a shoe or boot maker or repairer...which does suggest links with some tippetts in Truro.
Any ideas ...don't know how to take this on any further.
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They are all down as Tippett on the 1901 census?
Reference RG13, Piece 2108, Folio 21, Page 33
41 Pembroke Street, Devonport
Tippett, George Head M 46 Cook in Millboy Barracks
Tippett, Mary Wife F 46
Tippett, George Son M 19 Coal Porter b Malta (British Subject)
Tippett, Annie Daughter F 14
Tippett, John Son M 13
Tippett, Jessie Daughter F 12
Tippett, Maud Daughter F 8
Tippett, William M 6
Tippett, Elsie Daughter F 5
- all born Devonport, except where shown
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Hi
Could George have been born a Bennett and his mother remarried a Tippett
Margp
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Hi
Do you have the marriage certificate for George does it state who is father was and are there any witnesses
Margp
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George's marriage is under the Tippit surname.
September qtr 1877
Plymouth Vol 5b, Page 499
Tipitt, George
+ and on the same page +
Howard, Mary
But I can also see birth registrations under Bennett!
March qtr 1889, Stoke Damarel. Bennett, Jessie Tippett
September qtr 1890, Stoke Damarel. William Tippett Bennett
March qtr 1892, Stoke Damarel. Maud Tippett Bennett
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MargP. I don't have the marriage certificate so I do have a missing source of information there I guess. Cheque book time again!
KGarrad...yes the birth registrations vary. I have the birth certificate for John who is my great grandfather. His mother is Mary Ann Howard. He is registered by his mother as John Henry Tippett but it gives his mother as Mary Ann Bennett, formerly Howard and his father as George Bennett (not Tippett).
I have no idea why the names keep changing. It is most confusing.
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Hi
1891
RG12/1746
34 John St Stoke Damerell
Tippett, George Head M 37 Bootmaker b. Plymouth
Tippett, Mary Wife F 37 b. Plymouth
Tippett, George Son M 9 Coal Porter b Malta
Tippett, Annie Daughter F 4
Tippett, John Son M 3
Tippett, Jessie Daughter F 2
Tippett, Maud Daughter F 8
Tippett, William M 8 months
children all born Devonport
Can't find Mary Ann Howard on the 1871, such a common name but not one in Devon!
fizzix
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Hello fizz.
Thanks for your interest. That is indeed the right family. I also have other census entries..even found George in the 1911 census...but all say that he was born in Devonport and I can't find any record of birth to match it!
I have sent for his marriage certificate and am now waiting in anticipation....hopefully neither George nor Mary Howard will lack fathers and hopefully there will also be some traceable Bennetts or Tippett amongst the witnesses!
(Think I'm being a bit optimistic here though!)
Thanks again
Jude
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Hi Jude
I am wondering if this is doubled barrelled name pasted down through the generation's on George's side and they used both names.
Margp
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I've wondered similar things Marg...though that seems a bit grand for a humble bootmaker.
However...now it gets even more complicated!!...George Tippett's son who was registered as John Henry Tippett Bennett married a Florence Luscombe. I have traced her family back. Her father was Moses William Luscombe...and her mother Mary Hannah Bennett...and low and behold Mary Hannah's father is a John Bennett and his parents were Henry Bennett and Harriet Tippett! These are a family of boot and shoe makers with names such as Cyrus appearing in lists of children. This all ties in nicely except for the fact that throughout all the census entries George Tippett maintained the Tippett surname and always said that he was born in Devonport. The Tippett Bennett family of bootmakers are from Kenwyn Truro! I'm pretty sure there must be a connection but I just can't find the missing link!
It's like getting to the end of a jigsaw and finding a piece missing...very frustrating!
Any ideas are more than welcome
Jude
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Hi Jude
Have you found any Will's for the earlier Tibbett's and Bennett's this is what I am doing to piece together the earlier part's of my tree and I think that Boot Maker's were a bit more upper class in those day's compared to say a Farm Labour :-\ :-\ :-\
Margp
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Why dont you do a surname geographical distribution search on the 1881 census year?
Search for a double barrelled Tippett-Bennett, then 2. Tippett,, then thirdly Bennett.
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Thanks for the idea Scouse Boy...but I know where George and Mary Ann were in 1881. They were in Malta ...he was in the Royal Engineers. His son Cyrus George was born there and they returned to Plymouth in 1885. I have his army records which confirm all this.
Unfortunately these records don't tell me anything about his origins other than that they say he was born in Stoke Damerel in 1854 and that he was called Tippett or Tippitt.
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I'll have a go at tracing some wills Marg. I hadn't thought of that...but why do I get a suspicion that he will be cut out of any wills?
Still waiting for the marriage certificate...hope it comes soon!
Jude
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:( Well the marriage certificate has arrived....and I'm still none the wiser!
My great great grandfather George Tippit married Mary Howard in 1877 ...registry office so I think there is some non-conformist element here too. His army entry crossed off c.ofe. and put a non-conformist church instead.
George lived in 24 Looe St Plymouth (but wasn't there in 71 or 81 as far as I can see) and Mary in 7 Looe St Plymouth...again not in 71 or 81.
His father is another George Tippit...shoemaker
Her father is William Howard...carpenter.
The witnesses are Elizabeth Shephard and Celia Gomer or Gorner or something similar.
I'm having no luch so far with wills.
Any other ideas would be more than welcome!
Thanks
Judith
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Hi
There is a tree on A**y for this family which suggests this on the 1871
RG10/2123
5 St Andrews St Plymouth
William Howard Head 50 Carpenter Sandford, Devon
Caroline Howard 50 b. Totnes
George 19 Mason b. Kinsteignton, Devon
Mary 14 Shop Girl Torquay
Jane 7 Plymouth
Anne 1 Plymouth
The same family is on the 1861, mistranscribed as Heward
RG9/1444
Can I also say that although George claims to be born Devonport, that doesn't mean anything, he was too young to remember at the time.
One of mine thought he was born in Kent, but he wasn't that was his brother, he was born in Wales!
So you could be right about the Cornwall connection, but I can't pin him down there either.
Good luck
Jacqui
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Hi Jacqui,
Thanks again for your interest. That's probably my tree you found on the website as I had traced these Howards as the most likely to be the family of Mary. Was hoping to find a link there but nothing much came up other than shoemakers in the wife's family.
Back to the drawing board!
Judith
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I am also researching the Tippett family from Cornwall, England. My gr gr Grandmother Bessie Andrew Tippett (born Oct 1873) and her dad was a George Tippett...I don't know if this would be the same George or not....
Any thoughts?
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Hello Julie,
Thanks for your post. I don't know whether the person you mentioned would be linked...my ancestor George Tippet was born 1854...his first child was born in 1880 or 81.
His own father, another George, might possibly be still having children in the 1870s...but I can't work out who that George is...and whether he is in fact a Tippet at all or perhaps a Bennett.
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Yeah it is very confusing as it seems as if George Tippett was a fairly common name back then..I can't figure out who Bessie belonged to either. The only way I figured out what her dad's name was by her marriage certificate.
I have Bennett's in my tree as well but on my husbands side and that is a huge family. Lots to sort through.
Good luck to you :)
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Hi Judith,
Don't know if you have this baptism.
Maud Tibett-Bennet daughter of George and Mary, born 31.12.1891 and baptised 20.10.1892 at Mission Chapel entered at St James the Great Church, Devonport. Their abode was 36 John Street and his occupation was bootmaker.
I am sure it is the same family and it might give you a clue as to where the children were baptised. It would seem that they were non conformist.
Elizabeth
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Hi Judith,
I have found a few more baptisms for the children of George & Mary.
Surname down as Tippett-Bennett all baptised at St James, Devonport 1st October 1890 Abode 36 John Street and father's occupation, shoemaker.
Annie Matilda born 22 Sep 1886
John Henry born 1 Dec 1887
Jessie born 28 Dec 1888
William born 5 Aug 1890
Can't find Elsie at the moment but will keep looking.
It does not look as though they are non conformist after all.
Elizabeth
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Hi, this is great information!! I am also researching the family. But in a different way. I found a report of the mother..Mary (Howard) Tibbett dying after falling down stairs. Am trying to find some back ground, and got confused with the son born in Malta! I couldn't work out why the George and Mary went there, as he was a boot maker! I guess the went together? Then going by the comments here, did they marry after returning to the UK, after having George? I haven't come across any of the Bennett confusion!