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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: EdCan on Saturday 23 July 11 03:06 BST (UK)
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I would like to find some info re Charles. He was born 1855 Yorkshire to parents George Grant and Mary Jane nee Hobson. According to an article in 27 May 1893 Leeds Mercury he went to Australia abt 1884 and settled in Cairns. An article in 1 Mar 1893 Cairns Post indicates that he drowned 25 Feb 1893. His wife may have been Kate and they had 1 child.
I would like to find out when he arrived Australia,was he travelling alone,and did he marry in Australia when and to whom and anything else that shows up.
Ed
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Hi Ed
Found the following marriage
Charles Grant
Kate Sargint
Queensland
17th Sept 1886
Reg no - 000205
Page no -5632
Do u think this could b the marriage?
Troods
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Found the death entry for your Charles
Charles Grant
23 Feb 1893
Queensland
Father - George Grant
Mother - Mary Jane Hobson
Registration Place - Queensland
Reg No - 000768
Page No - 9812.
Perhaps its best to purchase the death cert. Usually they list how long deceased has been in the state, spouses, children though it does depend on the information that the informant knows.
I have never purchased a cert from Queensland but if you go onto the Australian resources board you will find info there
Troods
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birth in Queensland
reg no
1891/C2047
name Elizabeth
father Grant Charles
mother Kate Sargint
death
reg no 1914/C687
name Kate Mary Grant
father Michael Sargent
mother Ann Tracey
Jenn
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Thank you troods and tropicalj
That info is great.I assume that Kate died Queensland?
Much appreciated
Ed
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yes sorry should have made that clear she did die in Queensland
Jenn
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Kate was buried at Mareeba
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=6118703
Debra :)
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Hi,
It's a longshot but a Kate Sargeant 26, born about 1859 from Waterford England arrived in Brisbane on the Merkara on 8th April 1885.
The surname Sargint could very easily be written down on a manifest as Sargeant or Sargent
Regards
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry and Debra
A Kate Mary Sargent was born Jun 1858 Halstead Essex. According to census her parents were James and Ann. There is a marriage for a James Sarjeant and either Ann Schroder or Ann Stainer. Obviously there is a problem with parents names on death cert. Info probably provided by daughter Elizabeth.
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Kate Mary Sargent born Halstead married Alfred Symonds 1882 and both were living in Halsted in 1891. Also checked for a marriage for Michael Sargent but none 1840-60. No idea where Kate/Kate Mary Sargent could have been born. Nothing shows up in vicinity of Waterford.
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In 1913 Annie Monica SARGENT, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs JM SARGENT of Cairns married John Donald MURCHISON eldest son of Mr and Mrs Donald MURCHISON of Herberton. Mrs and Miss GRANT of Mareeba were Aunt and Cousin of the bride. The bride's father was James Matthew SARGENT - he died in 1916 and has the same parents named as Kate Mary GRANT. He was 59 and a native of County Waterford, Ireland.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39932670?searchTerm=monica%20murchison&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40402098?searchTerm=james%20matthew%20sargent&searchLimits=
In 1919 Elizabeth Maud GRANT married William Henry MURCHISON (Mayor of Cairns 1949-1952) brother of the above and second eldest son of Donald MURCHISON.
Elizabeth Maud GRANT is on the electoral roll in Mareeba before her marriage in 1919 (waitress). Elizabeth and William are buried at the Martyn Street Cemetery at Cairns and her age matches that of Charles and Kate's daughter. They had a daughter who married in 1952 and she turned 90 last year.
http://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries/cemetery-search
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=william+henry+murchison&l-decade=195
Debra :)
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Sister Mary who arrived on the Merkara with Kate:
Death
1892
C481
Mary MEREDITH
Parents: Michael SARGENT & Anne TREACY
Marriage
1888
C307
SARGENT, Mary
MEREDITH, Edward
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra - much appreciated.
I wondered about Ireland when I could find no trace of the family in England but did not think the country could be wrong. Goes to show that every fact needs to be checked.
Thanks again
Ed
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Hi Ed
I have just come across your post from 2011. And have started on the family genealogy trail two weeks ago!
Katherine “Kate” Sargent Grant was my father’s great aunt, and I live near where she and Charles Grant lived (Clohesy River) and live in the town she was buried in.
I cannot seem to find Charles Grant’s burial site, but I’m sure I will come across it eventually.
Are you aware of how he passed away?
If you are still looking for any further details, please let me know - even though I’m an absolute newbie I will do my best 😊
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Death registration
Name Charles Grant
Death Date 25 Feb. 1893
Death Place Queensland
Registration Date 1893
Registration Place Australia
Father George Grant
Mother Mary Jane Hobson
Registered 1893, 000768 page 9812
The account of his death can be read here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39445631
He was a witness in murder case at Clohesy Bridge in 1892
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173496537
I cannot see a burial site for him. I'm not very familiar with Qld registration certificates and the Qld BMD website does not say that the place of burial is recorded, as it is in some other states.
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/collections/family-history/whos-your-mob/births-deaths-and-marriages
Qld Death certificates may show: "name of deceased, sex, date of death, cause of death, place of death, age, occupation, residence, place of birth"
Judith
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Hi Judith
Many thanks for your detailed reply and the Qld State Library link!
Yes, it seems very difficult to ascertain where Charles Grant was buried. I’ve enquired of local historians whether there were other small (and now disused cemeteries in the area because no one lives at the settlements any longer) and am yet to hear back.
I may order his death certificate but as you said it doesn’t imply that it will have this information.
Death registration
Name Charles Grant
Death Date 25 Feb. 1893
Death Place Queensland
Registration Date 1893
Registration Place Australia
Father George Grant
Mother Mary Jane Hobson
Registered 1893, 000768 page 9812
The account of his death can be read here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39445631
He was a witness in murder case at Clohesy Bridge in 1892
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173496537
I cannot see a burial site for him. I'm not very familiar with Qld registration certificates and the website does not imply that the place of burial is recorded, as it is in some other states.
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/collections/family-history/whos-your-mob/births-deaths-and-marriages
Qld Death certificates may show: "name of deceased, sex, date of death, cause of death, place of death, age, occupation, residence, place of birth"
Judith
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Hi Carsamus. Welcome to RootsChat
It has been awhile since I have looked at this family. About the only thing missing is the location of Charles grave . I suspect it is around Clohesy River but never recorded.
Good luck on your family research. It will be both frustrating and rewarding
Ed
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I contacted the Mareeba Shire Council for a search of all the local cemeteries
..lovely lady rang me back to say there are no burial details for Charles Grant.
However a copy of his death certificate should say place of burial
Regards Jenn
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Hi Ed
Thank you very much for reply and the warm welcome!
Yes, I have keen interest now to know the burial place of Charles.
On Saturday I'm going to chase up the local historical society group leader as she apparently has a wealth of local knowledge. I wondered too about a Clohesy River burial, seeing Katie was living there (and I found that a Clohesy River goldfield was established there about the same time).
However it did say in a Trove newspaper article that Charles' body was railed to Myola (near Kuranda) and was put into a coffin there. It would be backtracking to return to Clohesy but is still possible.
There is only one recorded grave at Myola, which is of a farmer who took his own life and was buried on his own property. And my sister yesterday looked at Old Smithfield (north Cairns) Cemetary's burials but alas he wasn't amongst those either - neither Cairns Pioneer cemetary nor listed at the Mareeba Pioneer cemetary, where his wife Kate is buried of course....
So it will be interesting when his grave is finally found. I will update this chat when and if we do find it! Many thanks :)
Hi Carsamus. Welcome to RootsChat
It has been awhile since I have looked at this family. About the only thing missing is the location of Charles grave . I suspect it is around Clohesy River but never recorded.
Good luck on your family research. It will be both frustrating and rewarding
Ed
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Hi Judith
Thank you very much for contacting them! At least that has been confirmed.
I was contemplating ordering a death certificate for Charles, so knowing it should contain burial details will save a bit of footwork!
Think I'll still meet with the local historical lady as she may be able to answer other questions. Thank you so much for your help :)
I contacted the Mareeba Shire Council for a search of all the local cemeteries
..lovely lady rang me back to say there are no burial details for Charles Grant.
However a copy of his death certificate should say place of burial
Regards Jenn
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Hi Ed & Judith
Bit the bullet and purchased a death certificate for Charles Grant yesterday, and it says he was buried at Biboohra!
I asked the lady at the Mareeba Historical society this morning about this and she said while there wasn’t an official cemetery, one day when she was cleaning up around 5 family graves there (think they may be Petersons buried at a private Biboohra cemetery listed on Findagrave) someone mentioned to her that several people (think she said 20-30) were also buried in the nearby paddock that had cattle in it.
She says she looked where they said, but unfortunately due to cattle being there no mounds were present, ie, the ground was flat).
And potentially Charles may have been buried on a private property too.
It was summer and without refrigeration in FNQ (and the state of his body) would have required he be buried asap.
My sister and I won’t give up finding out about it though so we may reply in the future.
If you ever come across any further details regarding Charles and Kate Sargent Grant, please let us know.
It looks like (from an Electoral Roll) Kate stayed in the Carriers Arms Hotel, Mareeba in 1913, a year before her death. So to find any further info - such as if she had purchased property etc would be great to know as well.
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Congratulations. So somewhere around Biboohra. Unfortunate to think that the paddock could be his resting place.
Ed
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Yes Ed, it’s very sad to think that this could be the case… :'(
If I find anything else I’ll post back on this chat.
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Congratulations. So somewhere around Biboohra. Unfortunate to think that the paddock could be his resting place.
Ed
A story in the Victorian news today
Won't actually help your quest,but solved a similar resting place mystery for one family.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/unmarked-grave-found-in-search-for-langleys-final-resting-place/105035954
Sue
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Very interesting article, Sue. I have ancestors buried on a property near Temora but records of exactly where on the property have been lost.
Judith
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Hi Sue
Thank you very much for sharing.
This is very timely! 🙂
Two days ago I discovered where Katie Curtis (murdered woman) was buried, and as well not in a cemetery with a grave marked either.
Was hoping to visit the area this weekend except weather is rainy. Not expecting a marked grave nor a mound.
Wonder if Andrew Frost and team would venture this far north and at what cost 🤔
A story in the Victorian news today
Won't actually help your quest,but solved a similar resting place mystery for one family.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/unmarked-grave-found-in-search-for-langleys-final-resting-place/105035954
Sue
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