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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Ruthmez on Tuesday 19 July 11 21:02 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have a source for transcription of headstone inscriptions and/or photographs of headstones in All Souls Kensal Green Cemetery? I have had no success submitting the contact form at kensalgreencemetery.com nor any luck at findagrave.com Looking for my ancestor Edward Stamp, buried 27 January 1872, and his wife, Maria, buried 29 July 1872. They were resident at 4 Albert Villas, Brentford Road, Turnham Green prior to their deaths.
Any information on how to proceed will be much appreciated. I am in Canada, so a visit is not feasible just now!
thank you
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Hi Ruth
Friends of Kensal Green have just signed up as new chatters here.
I have tried to send them a personal message abour your topic.
Hope fully they can offer you some advice.
Dawn
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hello ruth,
turnham green is a long way from north kensington, are you certain that they are interred in kensal green and if so how do you know?
i live 1 minute from kensal green (handy for when my time comes) and depending on the information you provide i can visit and search (bear in mind that the all souls section of kensal green is massive so i need fairly accurate info.
tony
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grave transcriptions are not currently available, that is a long term desire of ours. There are 65,000 burial plots at All Souls, Kensal Green cemetery spread across 72 acres containing 240,0000 individuals. So it is a big task! Having said all that the General Cemetery Company www.kensalgreencemetery.com have records of every burial, these are held in their offices at the cemetery. The first step is contact them, and ask them for the grave reference number. Once you have the burial plot number someone can use this to find the actual grave. Aquiring that plot number is the first step, without it you could wander the acres of KGC for years looking for the grave. The graves are NOT arranged in date order or anything llike that. People bought plots randomly. The cemetery does make a small charge (£10-15) for grave searches. If you have difficulties do contact the Friends of Kensal Green Cemetery www.kensalgreen.co.uk and we can help you, but the first step is to approach the General Cemetery Company.
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Hi
As the burial guide for burials in the London area at the top of the London and Middlesex Rootschat boards states, Find A Grave has only 'just over 9,000 returns for the whole of England'. There are well over 150 cemeteries in Greater London alone and many more churchyards. The guide gives links to all the London cemeteries as well as any known 'Friends' who have websites. Where there are any online indexes there is also a link and in the case of Kensal Green Cemetery that is the Anglican (only) Bishop Transcripts held at the London Metropolitan Archives 1833-1872 which are online at Ancestry. Both burials can be found in this source.
When did you submit your contact form to the General Cemetery Company?
http://www.kensalgreencemetery.com/contact/index1.html
I'm presuming there has been no reply?
Regards
Valda
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Hi Tony
If you're feeling up to a trip, you could take the names and dates into the office and see if you can get a free look-up for the plots ;D
Depends on who is in the office at the time though.
Having the exact date always helps.
Dawn
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Thank you all for your prompt and helpful replies to my post. My attempts on Friday the 15th to send a contact form to the cemetery did not go through, nor did an email I addressed directly. I have now sent another contact form asking about the burial plot numbers... this form appears to have gone through successfully, so I assume there was some kind of technical glitch on Friday! ... I have provided both the burial dates and what I assume are the grave reference numbers (?) (53,075 for Edward; 53,882 for Maria) from London, England, Deaths and Burials 1813-1980 at Ancestry.
Edward Stamp seems to have been an extremely "colourful" character... a Master Mariner who captained the steam transport Emue during the battle of Balaklava, he first visited the Pacific Coast of Canada in 1857 as captain of a ship loading lumber for Australia and subsequently became one of British Columbia's pioneering industrialists. He apparently had returned home to London to seek financing for a new venture when he had a heart attack and died. I have been researching him for several years - a picture of his grave would be the next best thing to a visit someday!
best regards to each of you,
Marna (ruthmez)
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Hi
I doubt the Bishops Transcipts give the grave references. The Bishop Transcripts are the equivalent of copies of the burial service register for Anglican (Church of England) burials sent yearly to the Bishop. They are only Anglican burials and the numbers are sequential. So by 29th July 1872 - 53,882 Anglican burials had occurred in the cemetery. In the actual cemetery registers held at the cemetery will be all the burials - Anglicans and non-conformist.
Regards
Valda
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hi marna,
the numbers you quote would be inscribed on the rear of the headstone, essential if the front inscription is not legible.
i shall take dawn's advice (as usual) (or else!) and don my cheapest rags (not difficult) and take the begging bowl.
hang in there.
tony
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Just an update, fyi for those who replied to me re contacting kensal green... my second attempt to contact the General Cemetery Company through the contact form at www.kensalgreencemetery.com has also failed. There must be a technical issue at their end.
regards
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hello,
the office is closed until monday 25th so i shall go again.
my first approach was met with "sympathy" by the gatekeeper but i fancy that i may have to "cross the palm".
i can live with that, having sampled the bonhomie of the citizens of ontario.
just one thing, are you certain that there will be a headstone?
all the best for the weekend.
tony
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Hi Tony
When you get into the office and the staff look at the ledger, they will be able to tell you if there was ever a headstone erected or not.
Dawn
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Hi Tony,
Thanks so much for your efforts on my behalf so far. Please know that if you end up out-of-pocket, I will reimburse you... characteristic of my "ontario bonhomie"!
looking forward to your next,
best regards,
Marna
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hi marna,
i have now got the co-ordinates, all that's left is to do my crocodile dundee bit and locate the actual site.
indications are that there is another relative to be found and possibly an
in-law although it may be that it is a double burial site, that is someone got there before the captain & co!
fingers crossed for headstone legibility (and dawn, you're a fount of knowledge).
watch this space.
tony
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Watching and waiting... and wishing you a successful "expedition"!
Marna
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marna,
bad news, i located the gravesite however there is not a single letter visible, everything completely eroded.
however there may be a silver lining to this cloud.
it is a family grave and phoebe dugall who i believe was related to maria (maiden name?) phoebe was interred in 1871.
mary stamp, a daughter was interred there in 1894.
as a matter of course i took a 'photo of the gravesite and its reference 22679, plot 55 row 4.
who knows maybe a relative might wish to erect a new headstone.
i downloaded various information relating to edward & maria i will e-mail it to you if that is your wish.
again, regrets about the anti-climax.
tony
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Hi Tony,
So sorry to hear the bad news that the headstone is completely eroded. However, I'm very grateful that you were able to locate the gravesite and to confirm that Phoebe (Maria's sister) and Mary (Ann), Edward and Maria's daughter, are interred there. This solves one mystery for me... I was sure that their daughter died a spinster c 1894, and you've given me confirmation.
Yes, please email the gravesite photo and other info on Edward and Maria to the address I gave you in my previous pm; I am very interested. Coincidentally, tomorrow my late father's remaining brother is coming to visit... Edward was their 2x great grandfather. He'll be interested in the news.
Thank you so much for your time and effort on my behalf... if ever you require help on this side of "the pond", please don't hesitate to call on me! You and Dawn and everyone I've dealt with thru rootschat have certainly exceeded expectation.
best regards,
Marna
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Although this isn't the outcome you had hoped for, I am glad we have been able to partially solve your mystery for you.
Dawn
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hello marna,
very little can survive the ravages of 140 odd years exposure to the british weather, when i look in the mirror i bear that in mind.
i will be sending some 16 images to you, birth, marriage and death.
they are the type of records that could be put into an album.
there are a couple of others that i will have to photocopy and scan (some information relating to the execution of edward's will is one document) and i will send them on in due course.
you will notice some duplication, that's because the two different providers give different amounts of information.
there are also date gaps which i will try to fill in and then you should have a fairly comprehensive family history base to work on.
all the best for now.
tony
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To Marna Ruthmez
I am researching Captain Edward Stamp for a magazine "Island Times". The article is almost finished but I was still looking for the personal side of the "difficult, peppery" captain, hence my stumbling on to your query in Rootschat. Can you confirm that Edward's father was a Thomas Stamp, auctioneer, in Alnwick, Northumberland and that his wife was Maria (Douggle) married on the 7th of July 1835 in Saint Pancras Parish Church, London?
I know that his son Edward accompanied him to Vancouver Island but I haven't been able to find the second son who was supposed to have joined his father and brother to the island colony.
Hope to hear from you shortly. Grand to find someone with knowledge of the family....Are you connected to the Dougalls?
Best regards, david
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hello david
it is unlikely that marna will pick up your post as this topic was completed, however, if you check marna's profile you can send her a personal message.
you should reply to this post and then i think you will have the qualifying number of posts to send pm's.
i believe that you are on the right track as far as a connection is concerned as there is a dougall link to stamp.
tony
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Thanks for the quick reply. There is also an "Alder family" link as well judging from the 1871 census for Acton, Middlesex head Maria Stamp "Timber Merchant's wife": living with them ... Maggie Alder niece unmarried 19 born in Northumberland.
In the 1841 census there is Thomas Alder aged 6 living with Thomas and Mary Stamp in Alnwick, Northumberland.
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hi david
northumberland is a definite connection (however, beware of false positives).
good luck with your quest, if i can assist let me know.
tony
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I was thinking of the "niece" remark rather than the Northumberland remark actually.
I haven't been able to find a way to send Marna a PM....does the profile have an e-mail address?
Sorry for being so thick-headed.
david
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Hi David
Click on the green scroll under a chatter's avatar to activate the personal message system.
If the scroll is glowing bright green, it means the chatter may be currently online.
Hope this helps.
Dawn