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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: 1000xlch on Sunday 01 May 05 21:24 BST (UK)
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Does anybody know if Brow Farm, Newmains, Cambusnethan still exists? My Frame ancestors had the farm until at least 1901. Any info would be appreciated. Many thanks.
John Rowley
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I have searched Bt directory enquiries and for postcodes etc in the Cambusnethan/Newmains area and can't find one for Brow Farm, have you got the right name? I live one mile from Newmains in the Cambusnethan parish and haven't heard of it. Sorry...
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Hi
I did a google on 'brow farm +newmains' and got a number of hits:
There's a number of listings for brow farm, newmains, wishaw ML2 9PJ. I looked at the Multimap site using the postcode and it is shown, however, you will need to view a more suitable small scale map to view it properly.
The google search also brought up something interesting for you given your interest in the name Frame:
Morningside & Chapel Roll of Honour
... Forsyth, Robt., 3 Lady’s Row Morningside, Scot. H. M, 1, Frame, George, Brow
Farm, RFA, S, D, Frame, John, Brow Farm, Scot. Rifles, S, ...
www.newmains.demon.co.uk/m_c_roll.htm - 62k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
I've tried the URL but it's not coming up, but something for you to follow up if you didn't have this already!
Regards.
Monica
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Monica
Thanks very much for that, the website seems to be down but had a look at the cached site. I think these are definitely some rellies.
Cheers
John Rowley
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Hi there,
I currently live in the farm and have been here since 2000. I would be grateful for any information you have on the farm. The person who owned the farm before me was John Colquoun. John is probably in his 70's and I think would have been at the farm for 30-40 years, not sure who had it before John.
Hope this helps.
A
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Hi AJMAC
My Frame ancestors were on the farm until 1903 from about 1895. Hi sname was John Frame.
Cheers
John Rowley
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Hi John,
Can I just check the dates you said 1895-1903 that's quite a short time??
Do you have any other info that might be useful??
Thanks,
Audra
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Hi AJMAC
Just checked my info again. My great grandfather John Frame born 1830 at Parkhead in Hamilton married a Margaret Glen Dunn born 1851 Cambuslang. He died 1903 at Brow Farm, Newmains, Cambusnethan, and she died 1901 at same place. This was JF second wife who had 10 chidlren as first wife just after giving birth to the last of 6 children. I know for definite his son John Frame (my grandfather) was born 1895 at the farm, all the rest seem to have been born in Hamilton or Shotts prior to that. JF born 1830 was a corn feeder previous to farming. Have not found out any more history of where they were apart from the census info and details from relatives. JF born 1895 was a dairy retailer and he met my grandmother Margaret McKechnie Forsyth born 1900 at Batton Farm (or Easter Batton Farm), Harthill (which I think is not far away from Brow Farm. Also Stanebent farm comes into it somewhere as my mother used to visit relatives on these farms. My grandmother was also a dairy retailer and she met my grandfather in the centre of Shotts when they were delivering on the milk rounds. Parkhead dairy was at 93 Low Waters Road Hamilton where my mother was born. It was designed by another of my ancestor line. If you manage to find any more info I would be very interested.
Hope this helps a bit.
Cheers
John Rowley
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Hi John,
Thanks for this, really useful. Hope to do some research on history of house soon will keep you posted.
Audra
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Hi John,
I have some burial records for Cambusnethan, there are 3 that may be of interest to you.
2 are in lair 879 section E.
MARY BROWN, housewife.
Abode - Mount Vernon.
Age - 21 years.
Status - Married.
Parents - John Frame and Margaret Dunn.
Interred 8th March 1900.
MARY BROWN, child.
Abode - Tollcross.
Age - 11 years.
Parents - William Brown and Mary Frame.
Interred - 1st January 1912.
Lair 670 section B
ROBERT FORSYTH, child.
Abode - Stane Farm.
Age - 1 year and 11 months.
Parents - Thomas Forsyth and Lizzie Hodge.
Interred - 30th April 1910.
Lair owner - Thomas Forsyth, farmer. Stane Farm, Shotts.
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Hi Lodger
Many thanks for the burial info as the first two are indeed my direct line siblings. Did not know that Mary Frame married a William Brown and had a child. The age of the child seems odd as Mary died in 1900 whereas the child aged 11 died 1912 which would mean the child was born after Mary died!
Interesting to note that you have McKechnie in Argyll. I have a Samuel Mckechnie born 1836 in Argyll, Scotland a farmer who died in 1881 at South Hirst Farm, Shotts, Lanarkshire. He married a Janet Watson and later Sarah McInnes (McInnis). His parents were James Mckechnie a ships carpetner (died before 1862) and Margaret Johnston (died before 1862).
Cheers
John Rowley
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Hi John,
I would make a guess that poor Mary died in childbirth and the child's age was put down without too much care about the exact age.
My McKechnie/McEachern ancestors came from the Ross of Mull, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon parish, they lived in the hamlet of Ardtun, near Bunessan. There were Archibalds and Neils by the dozen but never found a James or a Samuel. (And, as a Motherwell man, I wouldn't care to admit that I had a Shotts connection! Ha!)
Lodger.
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More info re the Frames at Brow Farm: my grandmother was Christina Frame, daughter of John Frame who died at the farm in 1903. Christina married my grandfather, Alexander Hunter from Newmains, at the farm in 1909. I have a photo of her standing on the doorstep of the farm with two of her sisters circa 1905.
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Hi there,
Thanks for the information, would there be any chance you could upload the photo? Would love to see the Farm then. I currently live at Brow Farm and have been there since 2000. Thanks,
Audra MacPhee
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tried to upload picture but file was too large - will send paper copy
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Lovely, thanks very much.
Audra
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Hi there,
Your photo arrived this morning, thank you so very much. Any other information gratefully received in my attempt at plotting the history of the farm.
Thanks again,
Audra
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George Frame – Gunner 175345 – Royal Field Artillery
Gunner Frame, son of the late John Frame, Brow Farm, Newmains, resided in Shotts and had enlisted there. Aged 27, he died on the 31st of December, 1917 in Egypt. Gunner Frame is interred in Alexandria (Chatby) Military and War Memorial Cemetery, Grave E.183 and commemorated on Morningside War Memorial.
I am compiling a book of the men of Cambusnethan, Newmains and Morningside if you have any information on George, or even a picture.
Regards,
Swally
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Does anyone have any information or pictures of the farm? My great grandmother Annie Colquhoun lived on the farm when she was a little girl. Her father John Colquhoun owned the farm. Im searching family history and would very much appreciate any information or pictures to add to my folder. Thank You
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hi
see picture of Brow Farm c1905 with three Frame sisters in front.
J
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Hi Folks, still digging trying to get history on our home, Brow Farm! Thought I would try and generate more interest by adding a couple of photos I have. This photo is of the farm when I bought it in 2000, taken from the property brochure - sorry its not great quality, scanned from a paper copy. Anyone with any information would be delighted to hear from you.
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Photo of Brow Farm 2014 - post renovation. I am saying post-renovation, living at Brow Farm is a never ending story of renovation and restoration!!!! In 2003 we had to renew the roof on the main house as each time it rained we had water pouring through the top floor into the downstairs. We started the major work to the house in 2007 which involved renovating the main house and then converting two outbuildings to form additional accommodation. These outbuildings join the main house at either end, one being the old milking parlour and the other section I am told was to house farmhands historically.
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It was part of Rowantree which is across the road along with Sunnyside to the west. So, as Brow Farm you will very little. For the OP - Alexander Frame rented Rowantree and James Frame rented Sunnyside and Brow. These lands were held by a plumber named Mason from Glasgow then Dr. Mason and after that another Mason (Valuation Rolls).
Sir James Steel, Lord Provost of Edinburgh lived there when his father was a tenant so there is a hint of historical significance although I'm not sure if you put a sign out and a tin cup if it would draw a crowd.
Then there is a ghost story associated with farm in the Bellshill Speaker under the "Velvet Claw" which was a newspaper serial.
Don
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Hamilton Herald and Lanarkshire Weekly News 19 September 1906
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Wishaw Press 03 May 1963
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Wishaw Press 13 September 1963
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Hamilton Advertiser 09 March 1918
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Jiesy and Audra. Not been checking posts for ages and family history. Restarted recently and have just see great photos of the farm! I found my grandmother Margaret Frame riding a horse outside the front door and her wedding to John Frame (my grandfather) was at the farm in 1928 so can post them if you like.
Don not sure which Alexander and James Frame re renting the farm as John Frame my great grandfather had 2 wives and both had children named Alexander. Cannot find any James Frame.
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So sorry, have only just picked this up. Would be delighted to see any photos you have relating to Brow Farm. Thanks in advnace. Audra
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Ah, so I traced my grandmother on horse outside Batton Farm!. However I have a picture of John Frame in 1895 my great grandfather who was on Brow Farm. Also Colquhoun 1950 applying for milk licence lanarkshire council minutes. Pics for you. Interesting to note the other farms locally and who rented them. More mystery for me to solve! Cheers John Rowley