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I am stuck!
I am looking for William (B1865) and Hannah (B1865) KENNA who migrated from Englend (Cheshire?) to Australia (NSW?) somewhere between 1901 and 1904. They may have had about 5 children with them.
Would also love any hints on the dates of their deaths.
Tell me again why I want to trace my family tree...... :-\
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Welcome to Rootschat, Libby. :)
Can you give us any more details? Such as names of children? Or names of William and Hanna's parents?
Dee
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Ah - this in itself is a bit of a mystery. If I have my ancestry.com.au research correct, children are;
* Hannah (B1888 - Cheshire, England)
* William Hy (B1889 - Cheshire, England)
* Margaret (B1890 - Cheshire, England)
* George (B1892 - Cheshire, England)
* Elsie (B1893 - Cheshire, England)
* Rupert V (B1904 - Mosman, NSW)
* Gladys A (B1906 - Mosman, NSW)
* Albert E (B1907 - Orange, NSW)
Whilst I know it's possible that all of those children were born across three towns, two continents and almost 20 years, it doesn't seem all that likely.
Hence my befuddlement!
Thanks for trying to help Dee.
Libby in Alice Springs
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Welcome to Rootschat.
They didn't emigrate before 1911 (if at all) as I have them on the 1901 & 1911 census.
I've checked the Passenger Lists after 1911 and can't see them anywhere.
What makes you think they went to Australia?.
As we can't post 1911 census details here, I'll send you a PM.
Mike
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1901 census has dates of birth slighlty different to yours?
Reference RG13, Piece 3315, Folio 9, Page 9
Walker Lane, Macclesfield, Cheshire
Kenna, William Head M 36 County Police Constable b Seacombe, Cheshire
Kenna, Hannah Wife F 35 b Liverpool, Lancashire
Kenna, Hannah Daughter F 13 b Wilmslow, Cheshire
Kenna, William H Son M 12 b Wilmslow
Kenna, Margaret J Daughter F 10 b Wilmslow
Kenna, Elsie Daughter F 8 b Wilmslow
Kenna, George Son M 8 b Wilmslow
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Hi Mike,
I have them both being born in the UK and have seen them (I think) on UK census' in 1886 (Toxteth Park, Liverpool) and 1901 (Sutton, Cheshire). The next 'sighting' is in Nths Sydney in 1930. See also birth dates and locations of children in my second most (@ 11:33:50).
Libby
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There isn't a census in 1886?
However, on the 1881 census, the William in Toxteth Park the son of William & Lavinia (both born Isle of Man), and he is a Blacksmith, also born Isle of Man.
The William mentioned in previous posts can be found in Seacombe, Birkenhead with his step-father John Palling, and his mother Ann Palling.
Now we just need to work out which William is yours! ;D
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Seeing this all before me makes me wonder if the real question is "do I have the right great grandparents (Hannah and William)".
My grandfather is Rupert Vincent KENNA (B1904 Mosman, NSW, Australia) and as I said, it seems strange to me that so many children were born across so many years in so many towns.... not impossible, but strange.
???
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Libby, do you have Rupert's birth certificate?
Dee :)
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No, no birth certificate Dee.
L
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Hi Libby
Posted the 1911 to you and here's the rest i've found.
Death in 1934 for a William Kenna. age 69 in Birkenhead, Cheshire. Ref 8A 774.
Death in 1945 for a Hannah Kenna. age 80 in Bucklow, Cheshire. Ref 8A 267.
Omitted from 1911: Married 24 yrs and had 5 children, all survived.
Mike
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No, no birth certificate Dee.
L
Ahhhh....well that could help you.
See the following website to find out what details it would give you.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
And at http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmau.htm
you can find details for Transcription agents....transcriptions being so very much cheaper than actual certificates in Australia.
Dee :)
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Sorry, I have just realised that Hannah COTTINGHAM and William KENNA were married in 1886 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool in 1889. I didn't spot them on a census in 1886, they were married then.
So Mike (thanks for your info about dates of death for above), do I conclude that I have the wrong great grandparents? My grandfather (Rupert Vincent KENNA) was definitely born in Australia and as Hannah and William appear not to have immigrated, it would appear I have gone astray somewhere.
Libby
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Yes, I think you've picked the wrong family, easily done.
Your relative can't belong to this family as they were all still in the UK.
You need to get the birth information for the one you know for certain is your relative, then you can start again. ;D
Mike
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Libby, Rupert's father according to the birth index was William J KENNA, his mother was Hannah. Ref = 1904/34386 District = Mosman.
In the next 6 years William J and Hannah had 4 more children.....
Gladys A. in 1906 in Mosman
Albert E in 1907 in Orange
William J in 1908 in Orange
Elsie in 1910 in Orange
Dee :)
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You'd need the death certificate transcription to be sure, but a William Joseph KENNA died in North Sydney in 1956, ref = 1956/31019
Parents = William Joseph & Ellen.
A Hannah KENNA died in Chatswood in 1962, ref = 1962/5457
Parents = Joseph & Catherine
Dee :)
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So... not surprising that I went off track!!! How uncanny.
I checked the two sites that you suggested in one of your posts, Dee. They're not the most user friendly sites (or am I just getting used to all of this?).
Can you suggest why I can't find Rupert Vincent Kenna (B1904) on www.bdm.nsw.gov.au?
Maybe I have been staring at this thing too long and just need to hang up my keyboard for tonight.
L
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He's there, Libby.....I found him....and his four siblings.
And I've found the marriage of his parents! ;D
William Joseph KENNA married Hannah SAUNDERS at St Leonards in 1904
Ref = 1904/4841
Re the websites....the BDM information one is a bit hard to read......but just read take it slowly. Rupert's birth cert should give you lots of information.
The transcription ones I haven't actually used but many people do.
Dee
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Try this transcription page ....perhaps tomorrow when you're fresh! ;)
http://transcriptions.com.au/pages/transerv.php
Dee :)
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A Hannah SAUNDERS was born in 1882 at Balmain to Joseph and Kate. Ref = 1882/4411
But I can't see the birth of William Joseph KENNA.
Dee :)
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What am I doing wrong on nsw.gov.au??????
I am going into this page http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births...
I am entering his name, his parents names and a date range of 1900-1905....
Nuffin! :'(
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OK....rule number one for using search engines for genealogy.....start with as little information as possible. If you get too many results then add one more small piece of information.....and so on......
So.....just enter KENNA and the date range........ :D
Dee :)
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Big belly laugh...... thank you!!!!
Less is more, I will remember that.
Thank you all for helping me to get to the bottom of that. I will see how I go from here.
This stuff is so adictive!!
Libby
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Good luck.....glad to have been of help.....and yes it is addictive. (Just look at how many posts I've made! ;D ;D ;D)
Please come back and tell us how you get on.....and ask for more help if you need it.
Dee :)
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I think I liked my other (false) family better! At least I was able to find them.... I'm no further than when you left me, just a three hours older :-\
Gotta go to bed, gotta go to bed, gotta go to bed.....
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Libby, I hope you come back.
I've found that there are death notices for both William Joseph KENNA and Hannah KENNA on the Ryerson Index.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Just put Kenna in the search engine then scroll down the results.
If you think the information in these notices might help you, you can request a lookup of these notices by clicking on the link on the Request a Lookup page.
I've also found a marriage for Elsie May KENNA in 1939 in NSW, so you should be able to find that. However, I couldn't see a marriage for Gladys.
Dee :)
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Hannah SAUNDERS had several siblings that you can find on the NSW births index.
I'm going to suggest that this thread gets moved to the Australian Board rather than the Common Room, as more people who might be able to help you will see it there.
Dee :)
** Moderator comment: topic moved to Aus board :) **
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Libby, I've found the birth of William Joseph KENNA. :D :D :D
He was born in 1877 in Queensland.
He was born 17th June 1877 to Joseph KENNA and Elln FLEMING, but his birth wasn't registered till 1880.
Ref = 1880/000656 LR
Dee :)
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Joseph KENNA and Ellen FLEMING had more children in Queensland......
Joseph born 23rd Feb 1864
Ref = 1864/000238 MA
Francis born 21st Sept 1865
Ref = 1865 002091
Michael born 20th June 1867
Ref = 1867/002901
James born 6th July 1872
Ref = 1872/002101
Helena born 29th Dec 1874
Ref = 1874/002211
Patrick born 28th Dec 1879
Ref = 1880/004355
Robert born 7th July 1882
Ref = 1882/004558
Edward born 27th Dec 1887
Ref = 1888/007234
Dee :D :D
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Two of their children died in Queensland.....
Margaret Mary KENNA died 25th Apr 1872
Ref = 1872/000659
Edward KENNA died 16th Apr 1888
Ref = 1888/002849
No marriage that I can see in Queensland for the parents though.
Dee :)
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The son Francis KENNA born 1865 is mentioned in a number of articles in Queensland newspapers on Trove Newspapers.
Here's a most interesting obituary......with picture of him.....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ece/
It's definitely the right Francis......his death is in the Queensland Death Index, as are those of another two of the sons.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
Dee :)
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At some stage at least some of the family moved to NSW. If youy search the NSW BMD Index, you'll find deaths for.....
Helena Mary KENNA in 1968
Robert KENNA in 1938
James KENNA in 1943
Dee :)
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Hi Libby,
I am very NSW centric and have some offline resources. I will see what I can find on some of the old electoral rolls, including up to 1903 .... that was the year that females were eligible to enrol in federal (national) elections.
Mosman NSW !
Back shortly.
Cheers, JM
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You are amazing (Detective Dee)!.... But how do you find this stuff? Seriously, is just a matter of using a few sources and then your powers of deduction?
I was 'lost' at Hannah Saunders. Whilst I could see her on bdm.nsw.gov.au I couldn't verify that it was her. I didn't want to do what I did before and go off on completely the wrong tangent. How did you verify her?
Same for William Joseph. I found the same one as you appear to have found but was again, not 110% sure it was a happy family reunion.
Go girl!
;D
PS Oh, hello JM. Thanks for helping the newby with her new found addiction.
PPS And I thought I would have an early night tonight..... ;)
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No, no early night for you !
I have a nice cuppa handy and some Tim Tams !
So, 1903 Electoral Roll for North Sydney and polling place of Mosman's Bay .... NO sightings for Kenna .... (it was not compulsory to enrol)
So I am currently looking at 1903 NSW ER for Canobolas, and at East Orange page at this minute (weather report for this evening from a rellie who lives there .... could SNOW shortly)
KENNA at East Orange,
Back shortly to add their names here !
EDIT 1
John KENNA, William Street, Stock and Station Agent
Maria KENNA, William Street, at her domestic duties
I will keep looking (I also have NSW Country directories so I hope to find your Rupert's parents somewheres!)
JM
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NSW 1903 ER Canobolas .... polling place ORANGE
KENNA, Margaret Mary, Byng St, at her domestic duties
EDIT 1 I have looked further at many of the polling places (my records are off line and not keyword searchable) in that Canobolas electorate (it went out as far as Condoblin in the west) ... Did not find any others. I will check again tomorrow.
Off to look through some country directories Back shortly ! :D
JM
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Really glad to have you onboard, JM.......we need those electoral rolls.......
You just caught me, Libby....I have an early start tomorrow so was about to head off.
To truly verify what has been found, you do need to get a certificate or two (or transcription). The marriage of William Joseph KENNA and Hannah SAUNDERS would be a good start ....that should verify the names of both their parents, and that will prove we are now on the right track for you.
As to how we do it.....it has taken many years of learning by trial and error.....and knowing what records to access.....and having some records on disk. :D
There are times though when we have to ask for help ourselves. :) :)
Dee :)
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NSW 1903 ER Canobolas .... polling place ORANGE
KENNA, Margaret Mary, Byng St, at her domestic duties
More polling places to look at .... back shortly
JM
JM.....not sure that Margaret Mary is connected. If she is, it may only be by marriage.
Dee :)
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I was 'lost' at Hannah Saunders. Whilst I could see her on bdm.nsw.gov.au I couldn't verify that it was her. I didn't want to do what I did before and go off on completely the wrong tangent. How did you verify her?
Same for William Joseph. I found the same one as you appear to have found but was again, not 110% sure it was a happy family reunion.
Remember I found the deaths of this pair?
The deaths gave the given names of their parents, so then I looked for births with the same given parents' names.
But again.......a certificate is needed to actually prove we are correct.
Dee :)
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Added to the above, Libby.....I found records for the family in both Queensland and NSW.....so that helps to verify that we are on the right track.
I'd really like to see them in some electoral rolls for both states, but I don't have access to those at present.
Dee :)
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:D :D ;D ;D
I agree with Dee ... certs will help... transcriptions are much cheaper, quicker etc (sent to you as email pdf attachments are a very good option)
Sydney Directory for 1905 ;D ;D ;D
Wm J KENNA was at 60 Belgrave St North Sydney .... I will check that electorate again, as I only looked at Mosman's Bay for that one !
More to come !
EDIT 1 rechecked 1903 ER for North Sydney (went from Milsons Pt up to Gosford !) Sorry, no sighting for KENNA at any of the usual polling places around Nth Sydney ... will look again tomorrow ... currently looking at hardcopy originals but I do have access to scanned ones, just not on this puter !
I will get onto checking the Country Directories (Orange etc) back shortly
EDIT 2 1909 Sydney streets ... North Sydney district .... 60 Belgrave St NEUTRAL BAY ... (so I will look at that in 1903 again) was NOT occupied by the KENNA family. It was on the northern side of the street, and nearest cross street was Young St. Back shortly re Neutral Bay (yes I will get to the country directories shortly)
edit 3 NOT ENROLLED in Neutral Bay either
JM
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Thanks Dee, hope you sleep well. I had all sorts of wierd and wonderful dreams last night after six hours on the hunt.
JM, I am surprised to see this side of the family north of the Bridge, they have always been rather 'proud' of their common ancestry. Ha, ha, ha.... how the eyes would roll!
:)
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BEFORE the bridge was built THAT side of the harbour was quite rural ... my forebears moved to Willoughby c1901 ... acres of farming and orchardists ... no running water etc ! They went from Newtown and Pyrmont to Willoughby because land was cheaper and the air was cleaner !
But 1909 Country directory ... cannot see any Kenna listed at all
Will check 1909 Alphabetical for Sydney ! back shortly
EDIT 1 1910 Alpha directory for Sydney ... ;D there's a doctor in the KENNA tree somewhere !
P R Kenna, ophthalmic surgeon, 193 Liverpool St (Sydney CBD) with pr (private residence) 6 Macleay St (in the posh part of East Sydney/Darlinghurst etc)
BUT none on the north shore !
P J Kenna was at Meredith St Homebush
George Kenna was at 212 Abercrombie St Redfern
I have only a few more directories to look up
JM
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Libby, I hope you come back.
I've found that there are death notices for both William Joseph KENNA and Hannah KENNA on the Ryerson Index.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Just put Kenna in the search engine then scroll down the results.
If you think the information in these notices might help you, you can request a lookup of these notices by clicking on the link on the Request a Lookup page.
I've also found a marriage for Elsie May KENNA in 1939 in NSW, so you should be able to find that. However, I couldn't see a marriage for Gladys.
Dee :)
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I'll be back tomorrow evening, Libby.
I'm hoping that Trove newspapers will come up with a few more clues that bind this all together, but too tired for in depth searching tonight.
Don't stay up too late.....it'll all be here tomorrow etc....... ;D ;D
Dee :)
Added......Libby, if you want to write a message under your quote, hit the MODIFY button and insert the cursor under the quote. When you are finished, just hit SAVE.
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W J KENNA in 1915 was at 135 Walker St NORTH SYDNEY .... that's from the Sands Alpha Directory
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;D finally found two entries for William KENNA in same directory ...
1920 Sands NSW
William KENNA, Stn Mgr, Walgett (this would be Station Manager, ie livestock on large land holding)
William KENNA, 45 Neutral St North Sydney
One more directory to check
EDIT 2 1925 NSW Sands Directory .... THREE entries to follow up !
W J Kenna 13a Oaks Ave Neutral Bay
W Kenna, Locomotive Hotel, Tamworth
William Kenna, grazier, Walgett
That's it for the evening.
Cheers, JM
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Libby, I hope you come back.
I've found that there are death notices for both William Joseph KENNA and Hannah KENNA on the Ryerson Index.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Just put Kenna in the search engine then scroll down the results.
If you think the information in these notices might help you, you can request a lookup of these notices by clicking on the link on the Request a Lookup page.
I've also found a marriage for Elsie May KENNA in 1939 in NSW, so you should be able to find that. However, I couldn't see a marriage for Gladys.
Dee :)
Dee,
I have managed to get some good stuff on Hannah and Joseph using both nsw.gov.au and ancestry.com. Did you get the following children; Benjamin (B1875, Balmain); Ethel M (B1881 Balmain); Hannah (B1882 Balmain)?
I also found Joseph and Catherine busy having children around the same time, I had dismissed them as being the wrong parents until I found William (B1878, Balmain). Their other children were born in Marouya, NSW. I am guessing they are not related, would you agree?
PS Hope I am doing this reply thingie correctly, as you can see - forgot to go to bed!
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Libby, I hope you come back.
I've found that there are death notices for both William Joseph KENNA and Hannah KENNA on the Ryerson Index.
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Just put Kenna in the search engine then scroll down the results.
If you think the information in these notices might help you, you can request a lookup of these notices by clicking on the link on the Request a Lookup page.
I've also found a marriage for Elsie May KENNA in 1939 in NSW, so you should be able to find that. However, I couldn't see a marriage for Gladys.
Dee :)
Dee,
When I was searching through census records last night on ancestry.com.au I found some additional Kenna's living with Elsie and her parents;
Census 1943 (Michael & Lillian, 42 Bland Street, Ashfield)
Census 1949 Katherine, Nancy and Ellen, Darley Street)
Am I going mad or could these be extra chilren that I have missed?
L
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Two of their children died in Queensland.....
Margaret Mary KENNA died 25th Apr 1872
Ref = 1872/000659
Edward KENNA died 16th Apr 1888
Ref = 1888/002849
No marriage that I can see in Queensland for the parents though.
Dee,
Margaret wasn't on your original list (see post with listing of all 8 children on it). Befuddled!
Dee :)
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Hi everyone,
From Electoral Rolls for the 1930’s
1930 at 79 Ridge St Cameray South
Albert Edward KENNA, milk carter
Rupert Vincent KENNA, clerk
William Joseph KENNA, dispenser
1933 and 1936 at same address
Albert Edward, milk carter
Hannah, home duties
Rupert Vincent, clerk
William Joseph, dispenser
William Joseph, salesman
1937 at same address
Hannah, home duties
Rupert Vincent, clerk
William Joseph, dispenser
William Joseph, salesman
1937
Albert Edward at “Dennistoun”, Perry Ave Cameray South, carrier
Eileen Mary, Perry Ave Cameray South, home duties.
To complicate this even further, THERE ARE OTHER WILLIAM JOSEPH KENNA listings on the electoral rolls at this time .... one was in Chatswood, which is not that far from Cameray !
Definitely need some BDM transcripts to help sort out which of the KENNA sightings on the INDEXES online are part of Libby’s tree.
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
I think there’s a marriage indexed in 1937 in NSW that may help
Rupert Vincent Kenna and Doris May Chaplain registered Drummoyne district #17806
And a Doris May Kenna died 26 Jan 1971, late of Ashfield as per Ryerson Index, but I cannot find a corresponding NSW registration for this, perhaps interstate?
There is also a public tree online that has Rupert Vincent Kenna as married to Doris May Chaplain, however it has Doris' death as 1922 which would not seem to be quite possible if that 1937 marriage is for your chap.
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
From an index
William Joseph KENNA, Rookwood Catholic Mortuary 2 & 3, d of d 15 April 1973
Section 12 Row 4, Plot 410 .... Inscription “father”
From Ryerson Index online
William Joseph KENNA d o d 11 Oct 1956 aged 79 late of North Sydney. (edit to add, see later post re death notice from SMH)
William Joseph KENNA d o d 15 April 1973 late of Chatswood formerly of Education Department (see MI above)
William Joseph KENNA d o d 12 Nov 1977 aged 69 at Randwick
From NSW BDM Index online for deaths registered for those from Ryerson Index
1956, his parents were recorded asWilliam Joseph and Ellen, it was registered at North Sydney #31019 Edit to add, see later post re death notice from SMH
1973, his parents were recorded as John and Margaret, it was registered at Newtown #51204
1977, his parents were not recorded on the index. He died in the Randwick district at age 69. #27446
Hope this all helps to sort out the various Kenna families, and the various generations within each ....
Cheers, JM
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Hi JM,
Just a quick one as I am about to head out.
Doris and Rupert were my grandparents so I should be able to solve some of these puzzles from memory.
I believe they were married in 1937 but I don't have any documentary evidence. They certainly lived in Ashfield with children.
Doris didn't die in 1971. It was more likely between 1975 and 1985. She died in Sydney in hospital from a heart attack. Have just been looking on Google Earth to see if I can find the hopital (as I can still picture it), but I can't. Seem to remember that it was off Parramatta Rd somewhere.
Rupert died in Bathurst around 1990 (+/- 3yrs) from old age and bordom I'd say. I think he died at home.
Until tonight...... 8)
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Confirming Rupert's parents !
Hi there,
From SMH Tuesday, March 20, 1962
KENNA, Hannah March 19, 1962, late of 50 Neridah Street Chatswood and North Sydney, widow of the late William Joseph, and loving mother of (names of ten including firstly Rupert ) and dear mother in law of (names of eight including firstly Doris) and grandmother and great grandmother of their children, aged 79 years. Requiescat in pace.
The names of Ruperts siblings and inlaw siblings are on that notice. I have not typed them up as they may be still living.
From SMH Saturday 13 October 1956
KENNA, William Joseph, October 11, 1956, late of 20 Darley St, North Sydney, beloved husband of Hannah and dear father of (same ten names as in Hannah’s notice, firstly Rupert’s name). Aged 79 years. Privately interred on the 12th instant. Requiescat in pace.
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
Perhaps of interest : (remembering there’s that 1904 marriage indexed as registered at St Leonards for William J Kenna and Hannah Saunders #4841)
From Sands Directory 1905
C Saunders, registrar births, deaths, marriages, 9 Fitzroy St North Sydney. ;)
E Saunders, Alfred St North Sydney
Mrs F Saunders, 6 Chuter St N. Sydney
Fredk Saunders, Orchard Rd, Chatswood
W Saunders, Tulloh St, Willoughby
Perhaps this would be Hannah’s birth (presuming it was in NSW)
1882, Hannah Saunders, daughter of Joseph and Kate, registered in the Balmain district.
I note that from the 1885 Sands Directory that there was a J Saunders, master mariner, at Bradford St Balmain.
Cheers, JM
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One thing I got to mention last night was that the ages given on William Joseph's and Hannah's death notices on the Ryeson Index match the dates of birth found for them both.
Two of their children died in Queensland.....
Margaret Mary KENNA died 25th Apr 1872
Ref = 1872/000659
Edward KENNA died 16th Apr 1888
Ref = 1888/002849
No marriage that I can see in Queensland for the parents though.
Dee,
Margaret wasn't on your original list (see post with listing of all 8 children on it). Befuddled!
Dee :)
Libby, Margaret Mary may either have been born before they arrived in Queensland, or her birth may not have been registered. I think there might also be a son John whose birth I haven't found.
Don't know how much help I'll be tonight.....am under the influence of medication that has really knocked me. :-\ I'm struggling to keep awake.
Dee :)
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Hi Libby and Hi Dee, (Dee, that medication is probably meant to be good for you ! and you are probably meant to be resting ! )
I am remembering that Dee found various Qld BDM entries indexed, and also of course Dee found the NSW BDM entries indexed including the ones I have followed up that lead to the two notices posted from the SMH newspaper for Rupert’s parents.. (I sent Libby a PM with the full list of the names in those notices).
I am wondering if perhaps there’s a possible naming pattern coming down through several generations, so :
From my own family tree ( I have not uploaded to the internet) I note that there are quite a number of instances where four or more successive generations in the 19th Century, carry the given names of their parents/grandparents etc, and the given names of the spouses are also repeated generation after generation (and sometimes the males marry a second time with their new bride having same given name as the first wife). Also, popular names in the late 19th century included William, Joseph, and also Ellen (Helen, Eleanor, Nellie etc) and Hannah (Anne, Anna, Annie, Hanna etc) .... So it can be confusing, separating the various generations, but BDM certificates usually sort things out, along with the help of RChatters of course.
Here are some links to various free to search sites (these and many more are listed on the various Australian states resources boards here at RChat. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,399.0.html )
There are some passenger lists indexed for arrivals into Qld up to around 1912. This is the online link :
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp. There are various KENNA arrivals .... eg on the ship “Scottish Knight” there is listed a William KENNA who was aged 22, arriving 9 April 1878. That index refers to archival records held by the Queensland State Archives.
There are some passenger lists indexed for arrivals into NSW
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx and
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
There are of course probate packets containing the NSW Supreme Court’s handling of the process for the administration of wills and estates...
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/ use the simple search option and enter two key words “Kenna death” or “Saunders death” .... then by using the NSW BDM indexes look for the likely d.c. should give you some clues to compare against the recorded names of the deceased’s parents.
Fingers crossed that by working back from Libby’s Kenna grandparents back through each of their parents, and in turn their parents Libby will advance forwards !
Cheers, JM
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I just slept for an hour!!!! :o
The following looks likely to be about the son Joseph Kenna born 23rd Feb 1864 to Joseph KENNA & Ellen FLEMING......
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ecl/
Dee :)
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Da Dah.......I knew it!
Trove newspapers does it again!
We are on the right track! This time I'm posting the snip!
Dee :D :D :D
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From the Queensland Death Index.....
KENNA Ellen died 1907
Father's name = Francis.
No mother's name given.
Ref = 1907/C2718
Dee :)
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Well found Dee,
Won't Libby be beside herself...
Trove is so very much a treasure trove ...
Cheers, JM
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More interesting snippets ....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ecm/
and another
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ecn/
Dee :)
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;D
Queensland ER 1922 INDEX only at hand, will follow up shortly from another puter.
Kenna Joseph at Jessie and Spencer st. (JM cannot find the town listed) a public accountant,
Sub-division of Fitzroy and Electorate of Capricornia (I think this would be Far North Qld), and had been enrolled with those particulars from around .... 1913
Cheers, JM
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From the National Archives of Australia
Francis Joseph KENNA QX12735 : born 13 Apr 1906 : at ROCKHAMPTON QLD : enlisted - BRISBANE QLD : Next of Kin - KENNA C
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx Libby, this is a free to search site, search as a guest ....
His service file has not been digitised, but I think this would be the lad named as Frank J Kenna, the son who was noted as missing (in action, WWII) in the cutting of 5 July 1943
JM
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From WWII nominal Roll
Francis Joseph KENNA was a PoW, d o d 12 Sep 1944
Libby, as there is a known date of death, it is possible to have his WWII service records digitised. There is a fee attached to that, and the information as to how to organise is on the naa website.
Lest We Forget.
JM
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Qld ER's for Joseph James KENNA
1903, "Bungalow" Palmer St Rockhampton, accountant
1905, 08, same,
1905, 08 plus Christian Higgins KENNA, at Palmer St Rockhampton at her domestic duties
Noting the following marriages at an online index
31 Dec 1892 John Joseph Kenna and Catherine Wallis # 001439
4 Aug 1903 Joseph James Kenna and Christian Higgins Brand # B002752
Cheers, JM
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A Qld death registration giving d o d 12 Sept 1944 Joseph Francis KENNA with his parents recorded as Joseph James KENNA and Christian Higgins Brand .... my index has something "odd" showing death registered in 1946... (d o d was definitely indexed as 1944)
Edit to add I remember that when helping with the RChat searchings to help on the Fromelles missing (WWI), that Qld BDM issued d.c.s for their On Active Service fallen, so perhaps that the the co-incidence of dates is simply Qld honouring the WWII servicemen and servicewomen who were not ever to return to Qld.
JM
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Joseph Francis KENNA was born 1906 to Joseph James KENNA & Christian Higgins Brand. Ref = 1906/C9815
Libby, using the BDM indexes you can build quite an extensive tree of descendants of William Joseph KENNA and Ellen Fleming who arrived in Australia from Ireland on board the "Prince Consort" in 1864.
Ask if you need help.
I'm going to have to quit for tonight.......I'm nodding off again.
Dee :)
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Libby, I'm related to William Kenna and Hannah Saunders. Well sort of, one their descendants adopted my mother, anyhow back to the information at hand.
William Joseph Kenna born in 1880 in Queensland, died in 1956 at North Sydney and buried at Macquarie park cemetery. He was 1 of 11 children of Joseph William Kenna and Ellen Fleming. William Joseph married Hannah Saunders.
Hannah Saunders died in 1962 and was buried at Macquarie park cemetery. They married at St. Leonards in 1904, and had 7 children. Elsie (D 1990), Rupert Vincent (b 1904), Gladys A (1906), Albert Edward (1907), William J (1908 - 1977), Katherine Ellen Teresa (Kit) (1921 - 2007) and Nancy Ellen (1925 - 2008).
Nancy Ellen married John Henry Joseph Marrinon in 1952. It was this couple, my grandparents who adopted my mum.
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Hi Libby,
My name is Cheryl and I live in Australia on the central coast, my grandfather was William Joseph KENNA died 12 Nov 1977 aged 69 at Randwick.
Do you know anything about William?
He married my grandmother Ida Eddison and they had a daughter Iralia Kenna, my mother. Hope to hear from you