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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: ironfloor on Sunday 17 July 11 16:24 BST (UK)
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Hello, First Timer::: I am struggling with my research n trying to locate a Robert William HERD. He was my GGrandfather, born in 1865 in Lincoln, apprentice Grocer in Lincoln in 1881, married Eliza Frood of Doncaster in 1887. In 1898/9 he had deserted Eliza and their four children leaving her in the work house in Sculcoates, Hull.
Robert Wm was the son of David and Caroline Herd (nee Brummitt) of Lincoln and he was the eldest son, but third of seven children including Alice Calvert Herd (HOLDEN), Gace Brummitt Herd (PEARSON), Annie Augusta Herd (SIMMISTER), Clara Gertude Herd (AUSTIN), Thomas Herbert Herd and Jane Brummitt Herd (MARRIED LANCELOT CHEESEBOROUGH)
Thomas married an American citizen Agnes Maud, and later went to live in Fulton, Georgia. USA
Any help, connections, lines of enquiry...thanks in advance
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hello. welcome to RC!
are you hoping to go further back with Robert or are looking to extend knowledge of the family first?
do you have for instance census info for Robert? is that what you mean by 'trying to locate'? it helps to know what you have already so we don't duplicate unnecessarily.
ta,
Diddy
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birth:
Births Mar 1865
HERD Robert William Caistor 7a /609
Diddy
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do you know for sure he deserted Eliza and didn't die?
Diddy
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Marriage:
David Herd = Caroline Brummitt mar 1858 lincoln 7a /579
Diddy
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HI and thanks for your contributions: This is what I have so far.
My confirmed facts are that Robert William HERD is my ggrandfather. His father is David Herd, married to Caroline Brummitt as you have discovered. Robert was one of seven children and I have done some work in tracing them through marriages and immigration etc.
My ggrandfather did desert my ggrandmother - according to the 1911 census when she wrote 'DESERTED' in the marital status column, which was then crossed out by the census officer to 'married' and stories from within the family sugest that he dissappeared rather than died.
I have my ggrandfather on census in 1871, son of David and Caroline aged 6 and living in Lincoln on St Giles Farm, his father denoted as a farmer of 112 acres. I have him in 1881, aged 16 as an apprentice grocer in Lincoln, then his marriage certificate to Eliza Frood, Doncaster in 1887. They had four children Reginald, Arthur, Caroline and Eliza. Robert and Eliza were living with Eliza's brother and family in Doncaster in 1891 at St Mary's Road, Wheatley. After that in the 1901 and 1911 census he was absent.
I have a photograph showing Robert William Herd, his wife Eliza and the two boys Reginald and Arthur. I am guessing this is taken in Arthur's birth year 1899. It is taken outside of the home of Eliza's fathers house at No.17 Regents Square, Doncaster.
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have found a possible in the 1901:
1901: leeds:
William Surfleet 51
Caroline Surfleet 49
Annie G Surfleet 17
Sydney Surfleet 15
Ernest H Surfleetn 14
Kathleen Surfleet 11
Dorothy Surfleet 9
Mabel Surfleet 6
Marie Surfleet 3
John J Tewik 27
John E Trumbull 23
William Hird 37 boarder unmarried Grocers manager b.Lincoln
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4239; Folio: 64; Page: 12.
Diddy
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Hello diddy, according to Find My Past, the info is as follows:
HIRD, William Boarder Married M 57 b.1844 Grocers Manager Lincoln Lincolnshire - this make him too old. I will keep trying....
Thanks for your efforts
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the info I gave was from A* so if yours is supposed to be the same then one is wrong...
i will have another look at the original on A*
Diddy
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Hi diddy, got print out from library of relevant document from Ancestry...
It reads: William Hird, Boarder, Married, (Its an M not an S but could look like a U), 37, Grocers Manager, Worker, Lincolnshire,Lincoln.
So this could be him, but no trace of the same name in 1911 census, and although the eldest daughter of the family he was boarding with was 20 years his junior, and she emmigrated to Canada there is no record of an association there....
so he proabably fell behind the sprouts in the grocers shop never to be seen again....
it happens in Leeds.
I am curious about the 'boarding' situation
Regards
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just means a lodger. thats prob him then. looks like he took to using name
william rather than Robert.
Diddy
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Hi diddymiller, your thoughts would be welcome.....today I discovered that a Daniel and Charlotte Surfleet were in the employment of David Hird, farmer, Lincoln, the father of our missing ggrandfather. Is this too much of a coincidence? Any ideas about lines of enqqiiry to establish any connections?
ironfloor
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do you have ages /dobs for Daniel & Charlotte? must be some connection i think. are they on census with David herd?
Diddy
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william surfleet aged 51 ,1901 census was born candlesby, Lincs.
looking back 1891 /1881 no sign of Daniel - could be a brother.
in 1861 /1851 with parents but no Daniel,
Diddy
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Hi,
I have David Herd, farming at Hanworth Fen, and in his employ were Daniel Surfleet (b 1816) and Charlotte Surfleet (b 1811), infor taken from 1841 census. I think also that Daniel married a Caroline and they had two children Robert b 1846 and Mary b 1848. Daniel was farming 12 acres.
Regards
ironfloor
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I think also that Daniel married a Caroline
Marriage 19 June 1844 at Lincoln (St Mary le Wigford)
Daniel SURFLEET (son of Joseph) to Caroline ASHLIN (dau of Edward)
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Hi - info from 1851 census - attached - living with his mother Ann, aged 72. Not sure if this brings us any closer to a link....except that Daniel is farming in Branston, which is where David Herd was from...
Regards
ironfloor
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may have just been family friends which is why William was boarding with the family in 1901.
Diddy