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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jaznjjj on Tuesday 12 July 11 08:46 BST (UK)
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Looking for a family with the surname Sad, Sadd or Sade in or near the town of Terrington, Norfolk. It is possible that the name was given as a first name to Sad Blade to honour Sad relatives or friends. We have located John Sadd at the Woolpack Inn at Terrington St. John in 1851 aged 35 but we are looking probably two generations further back for a connection. Would greatly appreciate any clues.
Names: Blade, Arton, Sad
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Hi if you look on norfolk transcription archives there are lots of the names you are looking for on there, hope they are some help.
regards alan
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Thank you, will do that. I suppose I just Google Norfolk Transcription Archives and see what comes up.
J
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I suppose I just Google Norfolk Transcription Archive.
yes, that should take you there ... ;)
Norfolk is also fairly well covered by the Familysearch Pilot site and FreeREG.
Good luck.
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Ta.
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Hi Jaznjj,
John Sadd, from the Woolpack Inn, is my gr-gr-gr-grandfather. I have a copy of his marriage certificate to Rosamond Banham and it states that his father's name was Henry Sadd and he was a labourer ... nothing about where he lived, his wife's name (even if diseased), birth year, NOTHING!
According to the 1841 census, it states he was born in Norfolk, then the 1851 and 1861 censuses state he was born in Whaplode Drove (actually a variant of this but close), Lincolnshire and they all say about 1816. The 1871 census states another place, maybe Crowsland, Lincolnshire. I have had him searched in Lincolnshire but to no avail ... and I couldn't afford to have him search in Norfolk. All I have found about him is his father's name, HENRY. There is one born in Diss, Norfolk abt. 1796 which could be an appropriate age but a woman wrote me to say that my John Sadd was not a member of this Henry's family. Maybe she's right and maybe not.
I came upon your RootsWeb post because I Googled "john sadd terrington st john" hence the late response.
While searching today, I stumbled on something (can't quite remember now) that made me think that possibly this Sadd family came from Cambridgeshire as I saw some names and places that could match up with the Hubbard family which his daughter Edith "Ede" Sadd (I have a very bad picture of her I could send you) married into; Henry Hubbard was her husband and my gr-gr-grandfather and she my gr-gr-grandmother.
You are the only person I've come across who is searching for this same Sadd (Sad) family; maybe between the two of us we can find out more about them. And I still think, especially now, that John Sadd does descend from the Henry Sadd of Diss, Norfolk.
Here is my e-mail address: (*) and I can send you material I have found and pictures of the Woolpack Inn (which I understand is gone now, rather recently) but we have a couple of modern pictures of the inn too. The Woolpack went from John Sadd (who purchased it in 1851) then willed to his daughter Edith Sadd who was by this time Edith Hubbard who willed it to one of her children, my gr-grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hubbard who married my gr-grandfather, Horace Holdgate and that's how it came into the Holdgate hands (for a short period). Gramma sold it and the 133 acres of land that came with it and move to Canada in 1913, a widow with her 4 children in tow, one being my grandfather, Herbert Holdgate ... thus the beginnings of another Holdgate line which will end abruptly if my nephew, the one and only Holdgate male left in our line, to carry it on. They haven't had any babies yet so keep your fingers crossed.
Anyway, e-mail me and I can start sending you things I have discovered and the pictures.
Take care,
Heather Holdgate
Whitby, Ontario, Canada
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By the way, do Blade and Arton names fit into the Sadd family? Also, do you know what has happened to this line of Sadds? Are there any around Norfolk or any place? Did any come to North america, specifically Canada?
That's all. Thanks.
Heather
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Hi Jennifer,
I was wondering if you gals have a website published or a place where I can see your family tree.
I've been gathering much data on the Sadd/Sad, Arton, Blade, Watson, Dexter and Ryley families (there seems to be a connection; alas, I'm not all that organized yet!). I'd like to see if I'm on the right track with what I've prepared so far.
Would that be a problem? I would be especially grateful.
Take care. (Gotta' get my nephew's Holdgate direct line finished; for certain, 13 generations and most likely the 14th.)
Heather
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Hi Heather, Can't supply a tree yet, the others have most of the information on the Norfolk connection and are out of touch at present. I focussed on the London connection and the early days in Australia. We stopped posting a lot of our research publicly because someone we had given information to took our "work in progress" notes and posted them as facts on a website without permission - which means some of the information is potentially incorrect. I stopped adding to my public trees some time ago and one of the projects on my huge list of things to do is to go back over every datum in my tree to ensure I have it right and update once I am satisfied. My tree on Ancestry is probably riddled with unsubstantiated "facts" I adopted from others' trees without verifying them before I learned better. My bad! If you give me a little time I'll put together what I have for you, but my best chance to get it right is to wait for the meeting we have planned for September. In the meantime I'm flat chat with school work but will do my best for you next weekend. I am sure there is a connection between the families (Sad, Arton and Blade in particular). I'm sorry that doesn't give you much to work with in the short term but hopefully there'll be more useful information a bit further down the track. Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
Thanks for getting back to me. I understand completely - I just thought you might have information somewhere on the Internet.
Once I get it in better order, I will send you what I have put together.
Hope you had a good weekend.
Heather
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Hi,
We have spoken before about your initial post and when I came across it again, I thought I would look into more.
Your crossing point with the Artons, and Blades is Terrington St Clement ... and the Sadds/Sads lived in Terrington St John which are sister villages (2-3 miles apart). There is much evidence that the Artons lived in the fenland area as I see them in Tilney, Wiggenhall, etc.
I found Sad Blade, son of Sad Blade and Mary Ground (m. 16 Oct 1743, St John Church, Terrington), christened on 9 Apr 1746 at St Clement's Church, Terrington St Clement. (Which you already know!)
Years in Terrington St Clement:
1. Blade baptisms from 1746 to 1763; marriages from 1743 to 1874 (and 2 in Walpole St Andrew); and burials from 1747 to 1920.
2. Arton baptisms from 1785 to 1909; marriages from 1782 to 1809; and burials from 1792 to 1813.
3. Sadd/Sad one baptism in 1739 (Terrington St John from 1695 to 1839); marriages NONE - but there were 2 in West Walton (Terrington St John from 1801 to 1859); and burials from 1741-1850 (Terrington St John from 1680 to 1889). (I only used FreeREG as my source.)
I don't doubt many years are missing but I would look for a Sad and Blade connection somewhere in this vicinity. I gather they were farmers having lived in this area.
Wisbech and the Fenlands (source) - Terrington St Clement
1779 Ann ARTON ? John BLADES
1785 Josias ARTON Sarah WATSON
1782 Rachel ARTON Peter DORSEY
1790 Sarah ARTON W'm STEPHENSON
1811 Elizabeth BLADE Thomas SEXTON
1821 Jane BLADE James BAILEY
1758 Mary BLADE James CANEY or CONEY
1803 Mary BLADE Daniel RYLEY*
1743 Sad BLADE Mary GROUNDS
No Sadd/Sad.
* Lots of Ryleys in Terrington St Clement.
I've also seen a connection to the Sutterby family. I believe John Sadd had dealings with him and I know my Hubbard family did. They were well known millers and farmers of the area.
You've probably already gone through this, and more, but I thought I'd look at it again. Focal point is Terrington St Clement.
Take care,
Heather Holdgate
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Thank you Heather! The "cousins" are meeting in about a month (7th March) to have a look at this file again so this information is very timely. We only meet every year or two. I have an attack of guilty conscience now on re-reading our posts that I didn't do as I promised. I found I was in overload and things were being overlooked - so about two years ago I started a database of my family history contacts so that from time to time I can review and renew contacts. It looks like our communication pre-dated the start of the database (but you are on it now!) The database includes date of last contact, progress and follow-up needed.
I'll send your information off to the others now so we are prepared for the meeting in March.
Cheers,
Jennifer Bell