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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: rla10 on Saturday 09 July 11 21:59 BST (UK)
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Hi, this name should be Marion Lake - would you agree? Also, it looks like it says 'sometyme wyfe of...' What exactly does this mean?
Thanks :)
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"sometime wife of" would mean that at one time she was the wife of ...
Most likely her husband has died and she has remarried so she is no longer described as widow of ...
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I also have another one if no one minds helping me. It's the name I can't read - "? daughter of Thomas..."
:)
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"sometime wife of" would mean that at one time she was the wife of ...
Most likely her husband has died and she has remarried so she is no longer described as widow of ...
Thank you, Marmalady. Would you also agree that it is indeed 'Marion'?
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It actually looks like "Murder" to me -- the middle letter looks like a "d" -- but as this is unlikely to be her name, i guess i could find Marion instead!
And i have no idea what the name in your second example is
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The first one doesn't look much like Marion, more like Merloe ???
Sometyme wyfe of Wm Lake, doesn't sound as though she re-married, so perhaps separated.
The second looks like Ann but checking for another capital A might help.
Colin
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The first one doesn't look much like Marion, more like Merloe ???
Sometyme wyfe of Wm Lake, doesn't sound as though she re-married, so perhaps separated.
The second looks like Ann but checking for another capital A might help.
Colin
Hi Colin, the reason I am somewhat adamant that it is Marion is that I have Marion Lake (from the same place as this register is) from 1555 which is the year that burial is. In it, she mentions her husband and that his will should be fulfilled - so a widow - but does not mention him by name. One of her sons was called William and he seems to be the eldest from what she left him, so perhaps named after his father.
I agree that it doesn't look like Marion though, it just seems like it should be. ::)
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Many people did not go by their proper name, so whoever made the entry might have known her by this name. Everything you have seems to point to Marion, widow of William, and many different terms are used to describe a widow.
Colin
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I think it might say 'Wedoe Lake' i.e., 'widow'. Not a chance of it saying Marion, I
would suggest.
vv.
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I think it might say 'Wedoe Lake' i.e., 'widow'. Not a chance of it saying Marion, I
would suggest.
vv.
I would suggest that is a brilliant call vv. Much better than mine.
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Thank you Colin.
vv.
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No problem vv. You have saved me from a sleepless night, or maybe not ;D
It was a difficult one and your inspiration won through. It's the lateral thinking that I appreciate.
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Context fits beautifully for "widow", but there is another possible context. I have in the 18th century a wife who was married to a believed relative of mine and had a child in an adulterous relationship. Her husband threw her out, and remarried (in church). The description "sometime wife of" would fit her circumstances quite well too.
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The first one doesn't look much like Marion, more like Merloe ???
Sometyme wyfe of Wm Lake, doesn't sound as though she re-married, so perhaps separated.
The second looks like Ann but checking for another capital A might help.
Colin
Hi Colin, with regard to the second one, there is a similar 'writing' a few entries above the one I posted which looks like an Ann - see what you think:
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It could be Ann but there's room for doubt.
Colin
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I don't think that it is Ann, looks like one of those indeterminate words where all the strokes are short ups and downs, like a series of I's, M's and N's after the first letter.
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I tend to agree with Redroger. There are six very clear vertical strokes to account for, and I can't
account for all of them.
vv.
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No. The nearest I could get was Amin, looking for Admon, but they don't really work.
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Having a little more time to look at it, I agree with Redroger and vv. Too many vertical lines in this example. The random dots on the page don't help either, so there may be a letter i in there, but not necessarily. After the surname, does it say 'Norton was '? If so then there could even be a w in the forename.
Nothing springs to mind but the nearest long shot is Annie....
I've just had a bolt from the blue, I was wondering what that first letter could be if it wasn't an A. It could be a C but..... how about a G followed by wm for Latinised William.
I'll now go back and check the first example.
Colin
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Having a little more time to look at it, I agree with Redroger and vv. Too many vertical lines in this example. The random dots on the page don't help either, so there may be a letter i in there, but not necessarily. After the surname, does it say 'Norton was '? If so then there could even be a w in the forename.
Nothing springs to mind but the nearest long shot is Annie....
I've just had a bolt from the blue, I was wondering what that first letter could be if it wasn't an A. It could be a C but..... how about a G followed by wm for Latinised William.
I'll now go back and check the first example.
Colin
Hi Colin, it says "was buried" afterwards. It has to be a female name though because it is followed by "daughter of Thomas".
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Closer look makes the first letter look more like an F or an S.
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Hi Colin, it says "was buried" afterwards. It has to be a female name though because it is followed by "daughter of Thomas".
It was the second example I was referring to, possibly Gwm Ballard Norton was...
Colin
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Oh right. Well that was just an example as the name was the same as the Lake one I was interested in. :)
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They are not quite the same, that's the problem. :)
I wouldn't suggest William for Thomas's daughter ;D ;D
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Bit of a long shot, but what about "Emma" ?
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A further long shot "Winnie" It has the merit of being all up and down strokes except for the final letter.