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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: shopbooth on Saturday 09 July 11 14:59 BST (UK)
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I have a MC from 7th Feb 1872 which gives the following info:
@ The Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Kings Lynn
Robert STACEY, 21 years, Bachelor, Labourer, Friars Street, South Lynn (Robert STACEY (deceased), Labourer)
Sarah BORLEY, 20 years, Spinster, Pleasant Row, South Lynn (William BORLEY, Policeman)
I have looked for both in the 1871 census but could do with some help/reassurance:
Where is Sarah?
A year earlier, at birth of her daughter Sophia, Sarah BORLEY's address is given as Providence St, just the other side of London Road. I have found no trace of her on Providence St. Can anyone find her in Pleasant Row or anywhere in King's Lynn?
Where is Robert?
I had found a Robert STACEY in Hillington Sq on the 1871 census and reckoned this was Sarah's spouse. According to the MC Robert's father was Robert and had died pre-1872). While Sarah STACEY is a widow in 1871 , the 1861 census suggests Sarah's husband (Robert's father) was called Richard (sheep labourer?).
Can anyone make any sense of this? Have I mixed up families?
No other Robert STACEY seems to fit so well as Richard does!!
I have checked the two Witnesses and they seem to be young friends of the married couple with no obvious links to either family - so no clues there I'm afraid. ???
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Have you found them on the 1881 and can you include details of their birthplaces please? Were they both born in Kings Lynn?
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Just found Sarah Borley on the 1861 and she was born in Hadleigh Suffolk 1853/1854
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Ah, here's where it all starts to get complicated!!!
If you search Rootschat for Sarah Allan/Borley it will all become (un)clear.
After giving birth to Sophia in Lynn in 1871 and then marrying Robert STACEY in 1872, something caused Sarah to move north to Tyneside where she entered 2 further relationships (no evidence of marriage to either) - Henry Bell in 1881 and William Brown 1891 onwards.
She was presumably still married to Robert Stacey - though Sophia's marriage in 1891 has father as Robert Borley (deceased). I'm not as yet sure (until certain which Robert Borley we're talking about - hence this post) but I think Robert lived on in King's Lynn after Sarah and Sophia settled in the north.
Once she has moved north Sarah's age and birthplace vary wildly reflecting either uncertainty or a certain degree of creative dating/ageing.
It's thanks to Rootschat that I am slowly piecing this together and a clearer idea about Robert STACEY and their 1870s time together in King's Lynn would help greatly... ;)
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It would help (on the Stacey side) if they could be found in 1851/41
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I've just checked 1851 and no Robert Stac** b 1849-1851 (anywhere) with a father Robert
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1861 has these 2 entries
Robert Stacy 1853 b Camden Middlesex - parents Robert & Emma living in Sussex but father Robert was a Butler
Robert C Stacey b 1854 Hackney Middlesex parents Robert & Emily but Robert was a tobacconist
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Ah, here's where it all starts to get complicated!!!
She was presumably still married to Robert Stacey - though Sophia's marriage in 1891 has father as Robert Borley (deceased). I'm not as yet sure (until certain which Robert Borley we're talking about - hence this post) but I think Robert lived on in King's Lynn after Sarah and Sophia settled in the north.
Hello - more questions - sorry
Is Sophia's father recorded as Borley or Stacey? Is Robert Stacey named as father on her birth certificate?
heywood
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On Sophia's marriage and christening record (1890, Aged 18 - presumably she was required to be baptised into the RC church prior to marriage) her father is recorded as Robert Borley - I have had to assume that since Sarah reverted to her maiden name, Sophia also used Borley and so they stated this as Robert's surname in his absence during their time in Newcastle.
No name is given on Sophia's birth certificate for her father.
There is no Robert Borley that fits with the records I have confirmed and so I have had to follow the premise that Robert Stacey is Sophia's father, they married after the birth, and he and 'Robert Borley' are one and the same.
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It could be that the father's name given at baptism was for respectability or such and may have been invented.
I do realise that Sarah married Robert Stacey soon after the birth so there is a possibility but it may also be that he is not the father. It is a dilemma.:-\
heywood
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Thanks for your thoughts - dilemma indeed!
I'm just going on collecting snippets of STACEY/BORLEY info and hope that they will all fall magically into place at some stage... having said that, I am much further on than I was a month ago so pleased to be making some headway. I just have to accept that nothing can really be proved beyond doubt...
...which brings me back to the Richard/Robert question. Robert Stacey states his father as Robert, labourer at the time of his marriage and I'm seeking any evidence of that family in Lynn in 1871-2 and at any stage beforehand. Can anyone find anything suggesting that there was both a Robert STACEY and a Richard STACEY in Lynn who had a son Robert b. 1850ish or could there somehow be a name inconsistency and actually Robert=Richard?? How nice and straightforward it would have been for the MC to have 'Richard' as the father!
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Hi,
I too am chasing the mysterious Stacey family of King's Lynn, I know that William Dow Stacey married Louisa Leggett in 1891 and preceded to have 8 children but Williams past is shrouded (no pun intended) in mystery. Any help would be so much appreciated.
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Hi,
I too am chasing the mysterious Stacey family of King's Lynn, I know that William Dow Stacey married Louisa Leggett in 1891 and preceded to have 8 children but Williams past is shrouded (no pun intended) in mystery. Any help would be so much appreciated.
Hello,
I have reread this thread -trying to understand it again :)
Your William Dow Stacey looks as though there is a clue:
Is he the son of John and Mariah who are boarders with Sarah in 1871?
If so and it does look good - then in 1851 - 1829/303/ 7 they are Dow, living in South Clough Lane Kings Lynn.
Robert Dow 40 yrs
Sarah 39 yrs
Martha 19 yrs
John 16 yrs
James 12 yrs
William 9 yrs
Robert 11 yrs
I am not sure what the connection between the Stacey/Dow is just yet.
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You may want then to go to 1841 for Robert and Sarah Dow. They are in St Peter Rockland (Robert's place of birth) and with the children from 1851.
Robert's age is mistranscribed I think as 53 yrs and should be 33 yrs.
Martha (19 yrs in 1851) is Martha Jolly and they are with older Jollys - perhaps Sarah's parents.
You would then have to look to see if Sarah Dow becomes Sarah Stacey.
regards
heywood
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Robert Dow married Sarah Jolly in 1834 at Rockland All Saints With St. Andrew.
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Thanks Heywood, it does look interesting, from your research I'm not sure where Mariah fits in? and Jolly is a completely new name to my tree.
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Which Mariah do you mean?
Who is William Dow Stacey's father on the marriage certificate?
In 1891 William 28 yrs has a 'brother' Robert D 40 yrs with him ???
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Your William Dow Stacey looks as though there is a clue:
Is he the son of John and Mariah who are boarders with Sarah in 1871?
you mention Mariah wife of John? sorry but John who? Stacey or Dow?
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I thought that you were making a connection with the Staceys in this thread. I may have misunderstood.
William married as Stacey. Do you have his marriage certificate with details of his father?
Do you have him in any censuses before his marriage?
There is a William born 1862 with parents John and Mariah Stacey who are boarding with Sarah Stacey and her family in 1871.
This family possibly trace back to a Dow family in 1851 and then, if the same family, have a change of name to Stacey later.
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Heywood,
I can see your reasoning, I had better order some certs I think?
Thanks
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Thank goodness!!
Good luck
heywood :)