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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: carolmcg on Saturday 09 July 11 10:55 BST (UK)
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Trying to find the death cert for John McGarrigle B: 24/6/1866 in Port Glasgow.
Married to Bridget Welsh (or Walsh) in Port Glasgow in 1888 occupation given then "seaman merchant service"
Can find him on the census returns until 1901 and his occupation was listed as shipyard worker or seaman on these returns. Signed his daughters death cert in 1912 but is not noted on the 1911 census - his family were still in Port Glasgow but his wife is not listed as widow or head (just states wife) and he is not listed on the return.
Any help appreciated would like to know when/how he died.
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Hi carolmcg
do you know John's parents names from his birth and marriage cert
may help narrow it down a bit if the informant knew his mothers maiden name
doing a general search on SP there are none that fit with a 1866 birthdate
but then again that would depend on the informant knowing his date of birth
Elaine
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He was the son of Daniel (Denis) McGarrigle and Gila (Julia) McCoul.
I have his birth and wedding cert but can't find the death. His wife died in 1921 and on it she is noted as "widow of John McGarrigle" Holderon as the occupation.
From the info I have it would have to have been between 1912 and before 1921.
His occupation seems to change between jobs in the shipyards to seaman on the documents over the years.
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Could this be the right family 1881
Address 4 Sinclair Close Port Glasgow
Dennis McGarrigle------1836-Ireland-----Boatyard Labourer
Julia-----------------------1846-Ireland
James--------------------1863-- Port Glasgow-------App Baker
Mary Ann----------------1865-- PortGlasgow--------Spinner
John---------------------1867--Port Glasgow---------Rivet Boy
Margaret----------------1869
Daniel--------------------1871
Jane----------------------1875
1891
Address Sinclair Close Port Glasgow
John McGarrigle ----------------1867--------P.G--------Seaman
Budget-(Bridget)----------------1867--------Ire
Catherine ------------------------1888-------P.G
Julia--------------------------------1890-------P.G
Elaine
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Yes that is the right family. I have found them in 1881 - 1891 - 1901.
Nothing for 1871(he would only have been around 5 then) and not noted with the family in 1911 census pulled from Scotlands people.
If he was away at sea when the 1911 census was done then I am wondering if his death was connected with his occupation but not sure where to look for these details.
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No John McGarrigle's
on SP in Minor Records this is where you would find his death if he died while at sea as a seaman
although I am not sure if that covers the Merchant Navy
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Think I am going to have to try and approach this from another angle.
If his wife died in 1921 then chances are she would have been buried beside her husband so if I can get details of the grave I might be able to find out who is in there and what dates they were buried from Inverclyde Council......can't think on any other way to find anything right now :(
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There is a death for a John McGarr*gle
1921 In Paisley with a birthdate of 1860 +/- 5 years
closest I can find
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Nope that aint him - parents names for this one were John McGarrigle and Jane Laird
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I think your right about contacting inverclyde burials dept
as you have an exact date for Julia they should be able to tell you
where she was buried and who else was buried in the same grave
I will keep my eyes opened for any John's I will let you know if I find any
good Luck
Elaine
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I had a look on the CWGC site there are a few J McGarrigle's but none that fit
http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14
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Thanks for your help Elaine
I am assuming he stayed in the area but I guess he could have been anywhere at the time of his death. I will contact IDC burial grounds on Monday and see if it turns up any further information.
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Called Inverclyde and now know that Bridget was buried in Port Glasgow and also in the lair is a John who died in 1920. The lady was not able to give me an age for this John and I am still not able to find a death cert on Scotland's people - the only one that comes up for 1920 is for Paisley and it's not the right details on the cert.
*confused* lol
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Hi carolmcg
who is the informant on the 1920 Paisley cert
possibility that whoever it was got the info wrong
have a few certs like that myself,
may hold a clue if was a family member though
Elaine
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The informat on the cert was John McGarrigle (son) with a Paisley address and for the mother supposedly a year later it was also John McGarrigle (son).
The hand writing does not look the same on them.
Went to the cemetery but as expected there was nothing to see - not even sure I found the right plot as there was very few stones to get my bearings from.
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Carol I will send you a PM
Elaine
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I have managed to get more information from the lady at the cemetery and now know that John McGarrigle was buried there on 10th June 1920 he was age 53 so I am sure this is the correct person. Unfortunatly I am still unable to find a death cert even with this information.
When I entered the info on my tree details for a death of John McGarrigle who died in 1920 in Essex, England came up as a hint not sure if it's connected or not.
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would this be your family
Name: John McGarrigle
Birth: 1891 - Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Parents: John McGarrigle, Bridget Welsh or Walsh
EDIT - just noticed this is from your tree on ancestry
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There is a death registered in June Quarter of a John McGarrigle in Essex (West Ham) aged 50 (freebmd.org.uk). Whether this is yours and the informant wasn't sure of his age, or whether this person has just been slotted into the tree for convenience, I don't know. Buying the cert will cost you £9.25 from General Register Office (gro.gov.uk) and that's the only way to see the details on the cert.
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Yes I had seen the Essex one thank you. Shame they are not indexed like the Scottish records
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West Ham is the site of the Royal Docks which were in their heyday in 1920's and 30's, so at least there is a good reason why your man's death may have occured there.
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Yes looked on the map and thought the same myself - thanks!