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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: fade2gray on Tuesday 05 July 11 20:10 BST (UK)
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Sleuths required to identify suspect (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WyADsrLhb029Xttnc8Ug4nuLDfMcxlKB7ES0eVB0yic?feat=directlink") in police line-up (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X4T4VZS2LqTAfOzCQQQdHHuLDfMcxlKB7ES0eVB0yic?feat=directlink").
Please identify by indicating position from left edge of screen as you view it (back row only).
NO STANDING ON HEADS. ;)
A little explaining:-
Dad died just after my first b/d, and I have never been shown a picture of my father that anyone could definitely point out and say, "That's your dad."
Mum first showed me the "suspect" photo in my teens, at which time she was beginning to show early signs of dementia, and couldn't recall if it was a photo of my dad, or one taken by him; none of my siblings can say for sure either.
A copy of the M.O.D. Police photo was recently given to my sister-in-law (my deceased brother's wife) by a friend of hers, the father of whom was a colleague of my dad and both are supposedly in the photo, but no-one knows for sure which is my dad.
My s-i-l and I concur in our conclusion, but I would value anyone else's opinion before revealing our thoughts so as to avoid any bias.
Ironically there was a definite photo of my dad, but one of my sisters sent it to a pen-pal cousin in SA never to be seen again. :'(
Many thanks for your participation. ;D
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Judging by the long neck and slightly hollowed cheeks I would hazard a guess at the sixth suspect from the left. Mind you, I wouldn't swear to it in Court.
PatB
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Before reading what Pat had put I also thought sixth from the left
Jan ;)
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The eye socket shape is very distinctive ........... yup 6th from the left for me too.
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deep set eyes, shape of chin, hollowed cheeks w/bones set quite high, generally lean look, long neck, somewhat of a mona lisa smile! 6 for me too before I read any other comments.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Once I had worked out how to view,in a neck and neck race,it's number 6 yer 'onour.
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I am going to say the fourth from the left. Facial features look more the same as the suspect to me your honor. 8) ;D
Deb
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my daughter and I both say number 6 from left......by a neck ;D
Irene
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seventh
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Hat at a jaunty angle in both, I go for 6th, one observation most of the police line up have medal ribbons, your suspect has none, is this a clue to your man?
James
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sylvia
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4th from left or 6th from right ;D
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most of the police line up have medal ribbons, your suspect has none, is this a clue to your man?
Hi James,
There are no tangible clues as such, and I have never been shown a photo of my dad that anyone could point out and say, "That's him!"; my sil's friend can eliminate one in the line-up and possibly a second, but no-one's 100% sure about anything.
But you get 'brownie points for observation - I wondered about the medal ribbons or lack of, myself.
Dad was an able seaman/boatswain in the South African merchant navy when he met and married mum (becoming domiciled) in Stepney '36. After suffering a head injury at sea, dad left the merchant navy, and the family including two baby daughters left London to live with mum's grand-parents in B-O-A Wiltshire '42, when he joined the MOD police at Corsham. He never saw 'active duty' and is not thought to have had medals of any description.
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I think 4th from left... same shape face and jaunty angle.
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@xinia
Great minds think alike - I was saving this (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0KKO1fWFexwZIbwCLJ3V2XuLDfMcxlKB7ES0eVB0yic?feat=directlink) for later, and was going to throw a curved ball here (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Zuin_ZVYqNgbUdeXASjgz3uLDfMcxlKB7ES0eVB0yic?feat=directlink).
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I think age is key here, the man pictured in the first pic circa 1925-30 looks to be a man in his 30's, the second picture taken 1945-55 the suspect has to be at least 40+ posssibly as much as 55-60.
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Why cannot we consider those sitting down?
Have you asked people to look at photos of you alongside potential "suspects"
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My guess would be fourth from the left too.
Carol
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My guess it is the second from the left SITTING down.
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I think age is key here, the man pictured in the first pic circa 1925-30 looks to be a man in his 30's, the second picture taken 1945-55 the suspect has to be at least 40+ posssibly as much as 55-60.
Of course you are correct, but consider that I was often mistaken to be as much as 15yrs younger than I actually was in my 40s - till stress and lack of exercise took it's toll. :'(
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My guess it is the second from the left SITTING down.
Remember - he is highly unlikely to have had any medals.
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Even if he did not go overseas during WW2 he still may have got two medals.
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I guess we can 'see' almost anything we want in an image.
Take the picture of the South African rally for example: I can see Jan Smuts / 'Uncle Sam', JBM Hertzog / 'Sir John Mills', the guy in the dark fedora is 'Carey Grant' and 'me in my 20s' partially obscured by the brim of his hat. ;)
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most of the police line up have medal ribbons, your suspect has none, is this a clue to your man?
Hi James,
There are no tangible clues as such, and I have never been shown a photo of my dad that anyone could point out and say, "That's him!"; my sil's friend can eliminate one in the line-up and possibly a second, but no-one's 100% sure about anything.
But you get 'brownie points for observation - I wondered about the medal ribbons or lack of, myself.
Dad was an able seaman/boatswain in the South African merchant navy when he met and married mum (becoming domiciled) in Stepney '36. After suffering a head injury at sea, dad left the merchant navy, and the family including two baby daughters left London to live with mum's grand-parents in B-O-A Wiltshire '42, when he joined the MOD police at Corsham. He never saw 'active duty' and is not thought to have had medals of any description.
There was a medal called the Defence Medal ( I think it was ) which I think he may have been entitled to for his wartime service.
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Have you asked people to look at photos of you alongside potential "suspects"
Though my dad, brother and I were/am 6'2", they, although both 'skeletal', did not share the same facial features that my sisters can recall. I am bigger in build, looked nothing like my brother, and my sisters can neither confirm or dismiss that resemble my father.
My brother and sisters had all left home by the time I was 5yrs old and none of us are/were close.
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There was a medal called the Defence Medal ( I think it was ) which I think he may have been entitled to for his wartime service.
You make a good point; I suppose there is no good reason to dismiss the front row - I guess I have been 'blinkered' by others suggesting he is in the back row.
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I don't think any in the front row resemble the man arrowed in the first photograph.
I read the first couple of replies suggesting the 6th man from the left, before checking the photos more closely but don't agree. I think your man is the fourth from the left (I see that others have also suggested this. :))
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Ok, as it's gone quiet I'll draw an underline beneath the voting.
By general consensus, the poll has tipped the balance in favour of the character @ back-row 6th from left.
But, my sil and her friend concur that 6 and 8 is the friends father and another colleague (not my father). My sil and I suspect #4 but for different reasons, I'm biased toward #4 because I can't help but think I see slight resemblance to myself when younger.
Remember despite the topic title, this was an exercise in opinion and not identification as it's not truly known if my father is the suspect in the SA photo.
To expand on this some more, I have a distant SA cousin who published a family register (like a one-name study) back in 1978, tracing our family name back to the early decades of the 18th century. Here's a few excerpts from book (the same author is about to have a 2nd edition published):-
How it all started
It started early in 1962 when I was baptised into the Mormon faith (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). One of the important aspects of Mormonism is the compilation of a family book of remembrance in order to intercede on behalf of one's ancestors . Since I had never been particularly interested in family matters before, this was to me a very difficult task. After three years I have succeeded in tracing my immediate forebears, in fulfilment of my religious obligations. In the process I had, however, gathered many details about other branches of the family.
At this time I received a letter from "Tante Judith Pxxxxxxxxx". She was compiling a family register and asked me for information. After a few months it became evident that I had more information than she had. We worked together for about a year before she finally withdrew because of her heavy commitments with her husband in Afrikaans cultural circles. Fired by the enthusiasm of this gracious lady I set about my task absolutely determined to succeed.
Family traits
The Rxxxxxxxxxxxs vary considerably in appearance and nature. If, however, there are any outstanding traits, they are : A general tendency to tallness and a fair almost transparent skin . Most display an extreme quickness of mind, an insatiable love of talking and a characteristic stubbornness. Friends and family alike invariably refer to "die hardnekkige Rxxxxxxxxxxxs".
The "Fairy Rxxxxxxxxxxxs"
Everywhere I have been, people have proudly told me that they are the "Fairy Rxxxxxxxxxxxs". When I have asked them what this means they have all given different explanations. It appears that many theories have grown with time. It is my opinion that the families of c1 and c3 were darker of complexion than the others who, because of their fair skins, became known as fairies. Some of these "fairies" became quite snobbish about this and you find a split occurring. The culprits or "fairies" seem to be the c7, c8 and cl2 branches of the family who were mostly settled in the Oudtshoorn and George districts.
Although my father (descendant of c7 branch), and his children (myself included), is recorded in this register, the many photos of my SA family does not show one of him.
But, bringing this issue up again with my eldest sister (73yrs), she claims a photo of one of my father's cousins (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9MEDfb42M7CyA4gjL8PXGHuLDfMcxlKB7ES0eVB0yic?feat=directlink) (in the book) bears a strong resemblance to him and believes he is possibly back-row 8th from left. What do you think?
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Whoops.... ever decreasing circles.....
Now I am confused...
But my opinion is ---- as it first was ---
inconclusive.
so sorry
all the best with this
xin
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Now I am confused...
But my opinion is ---- as it first was ---
Yeah, I thought it may confuse things, but my sis' opinion on the guy in the jodhpurs didn't come to light till yesterday - so you think he also resembles brl4?
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not 8th from left ... but maybe 4th.. difficult. sorry
xin