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I'm trying to find living relatives of a family of Walkers' who lived at 39 North Strand Road, Dublin between 1919 and about 1940. Any information would be helpful in my research.
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I can add some older details on the address if that's of any interest ...
1939 Dublin City Voters (Dublin City Library - www.dublinheritage.ie)
39 North Strand Rd - Sarah, James & Elizabeth Walker
also Mary Reilly, James & Florence O'Sullivan, Mary Murphy
Thom's Directory 1921
39 North Stand Rd, Fredk. E. Walker
(street listing shows the address is close to Newcommen Bridge)
Thom's 1914
39 North Stand Rd, Fredk. E. Walker
Census 1911 - no Walker occupant at that time. Number 39 is split and occupied by people with surnames Tallant, Hennessy & Stapleton
Thom's 1906 - number 39 vacant
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Very many thanks for your reply, it was much appreciated.
I didn't realize that Fredk. Walker resided at 39 North Strand Road as early as 1914 so thanks again
for this information.
I found the Walker family living in Baldoyle in the 1911 Census.
Best Wishes,
Paul
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hi Shane, is there any way i could find out what is the relationship between Elizabeth Walker indicated in the 1939 polling list for 39 north strand and my ancestors of the same address.
kind regards
Paul
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hi Shane, is there any way i could find out what is the relationship between Elizabeth Walker indicated in the 1939 polling list for 39 north strand and my ancestors of the same address.
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not easily .... you would have to follow up the vital details (i.e. marriage, birth etc) to see what the link is.
Have you already found details of the children of Frederick and his wife ?
If Elizabeth was not one of the daughter's then maybe she married one of the sons ?
Shane
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My problem is which of the ancestors is my maternal grandmother.The walker family had four daughters Mary a. Florence Elizabeth May. Harriett H. Lillian M M. all born in the Uk also son Fred ghp,James was born in Dublin MY mother Florence O Sullivan nee Florence Roche was reared by the Walker family after her Mother Florence Roche died at 39 north strand road in 1919. Ibelive that her maden name was Florence Walker,The death cert does not say Florence EM just florence. Florence Roche and her husban James who was a sailor lived in no 11 Sir rodgerson quay in 1910, my Mother was born that year in the Rotunda Hospital but they are not on the 1911 census.As i said Elizabeth Walker in the polling list and FLorence Roche nee Florence Walker we have two. Son fred died in the war wwi no information on this, So James could have married elizabeth.
Thanks again Shane,
P O, Sullivan.
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For reference, here's the Walker family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Coolock__Part_of/Baldoyle_Town/9072
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Am still a bit confused why "My problem is which of the ancestors is my maternal grandmother."
If your mother was "Florence O Sullivan nee Florence Roche" then her birth certificate will list names of both parents.
Florence Walker marriage Oct./Dec.1907 Dublin South volume 2 page 625
James Roche- same details
The above marriage certificate should list her father's name and occupation.
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First of all many thanks for your reply.
I have both birth and marriage certificates as you mentioned . On my Mother's birth certificate, her mother is Florence Roche (nee Walker) and Father is James Roche.
Her parent's marriage certificate names Florence's Father as Samuel Walker but I believed him to
be Frederick Aaron as indicated on her birth certificate.
I thought, at first, I might have the wrong certificate but I could only find one entry with the same details (vol.2 - page 625) as you stated.
Kind Regards,
Paul
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So it's really the parents of Florence (Walker) Roche that you are having problems with?
Going to check a few things but will post back here later.
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1911 census- Sarah Ann Walker married (27 years), age 40, born Co. Limerick, father George Eldridge (born England) also in household (with children Lillian M.M. 14, Fred G.H.P. 11, James 6).
1911 census- Frederick A. Walker-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Sir_John_Rogerson_s_Quay/82653
1901 census- Hubberston, Haking, Pembrokeshire, Wales- Sarah A. Walker, age 37, born Havestock? Essex, wife of fisherman (with children Mary A. 15, Florence E.M. 12, Harriett H. 9, Lillian M.M. 5, Frederick G.H.S.? 3)
1891 census- Kingston Upon Hull, Holy Trinity, Yorkshire- Sarah Ann Walker, age 25, born Haverstock? Kent, fisherman's wife (with children Mary A. 5, Florence E.M. 2)
Marriage according to 1901 census should be c1884, Sarah Ann's maiden name likely to be Eldridge.
Frederick Aaron Walker/Sarah Ann Eldridge Apr./June 1884 Hull district volume 9d page 336.
Think Samuel as father's name on marriage certificate is an error (I have one certificate where first names of bride's father and groom's father are switched and several marriages where father's name is incorrect).
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Hi Aghadowey,
Thank you for your help & research ,you have achieved a great deal in such a short time.
I am much happier with the research now I can accept that mistakes can happen on technical documents
I did try to carry out more research by obtaining Captains Frederick Aaron Walker's birth certificate to no avail. I Asked the GRO of Devon to carry out research on my behalf - no luck
The reason I used the Devon office was, I found ships in Milford Haven which had a Captain Frederick Aaron Walker onboard between c1888 to 1914 called "Birda", "Brazilan", "Camillia" & "Sealark" which gives the Captains certificate as 4322/4322/ 4322/ 2344? 4322 and born in Lynmouth. When I supplied this information to Devon they said "no results".
Many Thanks
Paul
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Have you found Frederick on any census? any idea of age? It may be that he was registered as Frederick or even Aaron rather than Frederick Aaron.
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I had a one year subscription to Ancestry but was unable to pick one out of hundreds listed in England.
The only information i have is birth 1862 Fathers name George occupation Engine Driver.
Paul
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Hi was just browsing and found this but not sure where your Frederick Aaron was born:
Aaron Walker
Age : 10 (est year of birth 1861)
Relationship (to head of household) : Brother Inmate
Occupation : Juvenile
Address : Mitford and Launditch Union, Gressenhall
Parish : Gressenhall / County :Norfolk
Place of Birth : Norfolk
This was on 1871 cns in UK.
Catherine
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You would be very lucky to find your Mr Frederick Aaron Walker. In the UK births, there isn't a Frederick A or Frederick Aaron listed or a Aaron F or Aaron Frederick listed. So obviously the middle name was registered at the time. There is however a Aaron Alfred born in 1862 in Greenwich unfortunately it doesn't give parent details.
Catherine
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Hi, I agree with you its' very difficult, I have been trying for a long period. However i did come across Aaron Walker in Lexham, Norfolk 1861. Mitford Launditch Union is a home for orphan children. They had Aaron Walker, Samuel Walker & Arthur Walker in care in Gressenhall Parish in 1871. I have the parents names as Robert and Susan Walker they had an additional 7 children listed in the 1861 England Census.
What happened on another site, a lady sent me an email and said that Aaron was related to her and had married but not to Sarah Ann.
Many Thanks
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The only Aaron Walker I can find on 1861 cns is age 0 in Wolverhampton
30, Albion Street
Parish : Wolverhampton
District : Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton Eastern
County : Staffordshire
Joseph Walker / age 36 / Head of household
Occupation : Engine Driver
Birth Place : Wolverhampton / Staffordshire
There are a few other children as well John Sarah Edward and Robert, with mother named Ann
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Also birth in Devon for Frederick Walker age 6 but father is named William
Frederick Walker Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1865
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Juvenile
Birth Place Devon
Birth County Devon
The only Aaron Walker I can find on 1861 cns is age 0 in Wolverhampton
30, Albion Street
Parish Wolverhampton
District Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton Eastern
Administrative County Staffordshire
Name Joseph Walker
Age 36
Estimated Year of Birth 1825
Head
Occupation Engine Driver
Birth Place Wolverhampton
Birth County Staffordshire
There are a few other children as well John Sarah Edward and Robert, with mother named Ann
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This looks promising but no parent unfortunately!!
1871 Oxford Terrace
Parish : Lyncombe & Widcombe
District : Bath, Lyncombe & Widcombe
County : Somersetshire
Caroline Walker / age 57 / Head of Household
occupation : n/a / Birthplace : Somerset
Hannah Walker / age 21 / daughter
birthplace : Somerset
Mark Walker / age 17 / son
birthplace : Somerset
Frederick Walker / age 9 /grandson
birthplace : Somerset
now on the 1861 cns, Caroline is with husband John and Frederick is listed as so age 0!!! but they also have another daughter on there named Ann aged 23. Caroline and John are both aged 49!!
What was Fredericks mother named? Who were his siblings? I know his father was named George an engine driver, but where did you get your info from if not from a birth cert? are you guessing his name was Frederick if he was known as Fred, could be Alfred or Frederic
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I got Frederick's Father's name from Frederick's marriage certificate to Sarah Ann.
I know he was a fisherman and so consequently does not appear in 1891 & 1901 census. This I'm assuming is because he was at sea.
I did find him in 1911 census on board a houseboat in Dublin in Sir Rodgersons Quay.
Paul
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something very strange going on with this family for sure I found this on 1911 dublin:
Walker, Sarah Ann, 40, Head of Family, RC, born Co Limerick,
Married 27 yrs, 13 children born, 6 living
Walker, Lilian M, 14, Dau., RC, born Wales, Scholar
Walker, Fred G H P, 11, Son, RC born Wales, Scholar
Walker, James, 6, RC, born Dublin City, Scholar
Eldridge, George, 72, Father of head, CofE, born England
THN FOUND THIS FOR 1901 FOR SARAH ANN ELDRIDGE LIVING IN KILKENNY
Eldridge, Sarah Ann, 36, Wife, CofE, Co Berkshire, Married
Eldridge,Frances Elizebth, 3,Dau. CofE, Co Berkshire,Scholar
Florence Nellie Hyde, 10, Niece, CofE, Co Berkshire,Scholar
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1901 and 1911 census details on the family already posted (reply #11)- in 1901 they were in Wales.
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Hi Shane,
On my mother's birth certificate it gives her father's name as James Roche and her mother as Florence. Home address as no. 11 Fitzwilliam Quay, Ringsend. Could you see if they lived at that address in 1910 because they don't show on the 1911 census. The only information after that is on Florence's death cert. which gives her as a widow 1919.
Paul.
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Closest date I can do before 1911 is Thom's 1906 - number 11 Fitzwilliam Quay, Ringsend is listed as a Mr. F. A. Walker. Some of the same people are listed as per the 1911 census, - but no sign of any Roche householder.
Shane
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Thanks again Shane,
Kind Regards,
Paul
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Hi Shane,
Further to your reply to my last post as to who was living at 11 Fitzwilliam Quay, Ringsend in 1910/1906. I have just realised that my Roche ancestors were not married until 1907 so she would be listed in her maiden name of Florence Walker. Would it be possible to supply me with the names of all people at that address in 1906. I would be very grateful.
Paul
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I believe the listing I posted earlier is complete - usually only a principle householder is shown in directories.
Shane
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Hi Shane, no luck in finding enough information on captain Frederick Aaron walker to obtain a birth certificate.
But I have made some progress,i have just received a copy of his competency certificate which states his place of birth as Lynn Norfolk 1862 no information on his parents. Thistlebay was very close when she said Aaron walker on the 1871census, any idea on my next move Paul
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not clear exactly what Irish information you are looking for - if the aim is to locate details of Frederick Aaron Walker's parents then you need his baptism details or birth cert...
Have you tried FreeBMD Index, and maybe a post on the Norfolk board here on RootsChat ?
Shane
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But I have made some progress,i have just received a copy of his competency certificate which states his place of birth as Lynn Norfolk 1862 no information on his parents.
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Not very familiar with Norfolk, but maybe that should be King's Lynn ?
I'm not sure what the name of the registration district would be, but if you could find this you could narrow the search for a birth..
S.
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Shane
I have a marriage certificate for a Florence Walker to James Roche in Ringsend church 1907.
Is it possible for me on line, to view the church records I would like to see if the grandmothers are in the register.
Paul.
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Most of the parish records online only cover up to late 1800s, a couple to 1900.
what denomination/church was this marriage ?
S.
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I have a marriage certificate for a Florence Walker to James Roche in Ringsend church 1907.
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what are the names and occupations of the fathers, and the residences for the bride & groom ?
I think the first step should be checking out these addresses and names on the Irish census returns... this might lead to details on their parents and siblings
S.
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i have a lot of information on the brides family the walkers which you helped me to obtained IE Frederick Aaron sailor and wife Sarah Anne.
however on the grooms side only his Fathers name Michael who was a sailor, the same as his son hence the reason for details on his Mother.
They were married in a RC church in ringsend and their address as no 11 fitzwilliams quay ringsend, they don't show on any census after that, only on the brides death certificate in 1919 which gives her as a widow.
I can only find one birth in the rotunda hospital Florence Roche 1910.
Paul.
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Might be St. Patrick's Ringsend - if the parish priest on the cert is a Rev. Joseph G. Mooney, then the marriage took place here..
The other possibility is St. Mary's Star of the Sea.. technically in Irishtown, but covered Ringsend and Sandymount also. The P.P.s during the early 1900s were a Thomas McGrath and later a Charles Ridgeway.
Just to confirm we are talking about the correct church... what 's the name of the priest on the marriage cert ?
Neither of these parishes have their historic records on IrishGenealogy. I've heard of some people that arranged visits to the Star of the Sea church by appointment to view specific records. It might be worth trying to make contact with the parishes to check. It's usually better to make contact by phone or in writing.
Contact details for Dublin churches are on :
http://www.dublinchurches.com/churches/start.htm
(St. Patricks is listed under Ringsend, Star of the Sea under Sandymount)
Shane
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Hi Shane,
I received the marriage certificate in 2010 from the Irish gro,The name of the priest is Joseph Grant Nooney.
Paul.
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Hi Shane,
I received the marriage certificate in 2010 from the Irish gro,The name of the priest is Joseph Grant Nooney.
Paul.
It's St. Patrick's, Ringsend then - the priest at that church sometimes has his full name listed - Joseph Grant Mooney.
Shane
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I know the poster Paul has not been online since 2014 but here are a few notes of interest.
James Roche and Florence Walker had a daughter Anne Elizabeth 1907 at 11 Fitzwilliam Quay
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01678/1667408.pdf
by 1911 that address is vacant
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000114550/
on her marriage Florence says her father is Samuel not Frederick Aaron
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10108/5677565.pdf
the 1911 census shows Frederick A Walker as Skipper of the Dean Swift note top left hand corner the enumerator has written the name of the vessell in pencil
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000214266/
the Shipping return for the Dean Swift names him as Samuel Walker
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000214221/
Florence died 1919 and is buried in Glasnevin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05137/4415429.pdf
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/
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Frederick Aaron died 1936
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04805/4293227.pdf
his wife Sarah Ann died 1939 informant was Elizabeth Walker dtr in law
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04736/4267226.pdf
James Walker father Samuel married Elizabeth Doyle 1923
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1923/09179/5320097.pdf
James Aaron Walker(transcribed as Walber) born 22 Aug 1902 Sir John Rogersons Quay to Frederick and Sarah
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01901/1738215.pdf
found this baptism unfortunately not viewable on NLI register
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k9h/
there does not appear to be a couple with those names
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Lillie Walker father Frederick married Frederick Roberts 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09280/5359815.pdf
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He Dathai ,
thanks for the new information on Anne Elizabeth Roche,I believe that a boy was born also but I don't know his name. They say that the family may have lived in Liverpool for a short period .Unable to find where or how James Roche died. It should be possible, because of the small window. Married 1907 died between this date and 1919 on his Wife's death certificate.
Paul.
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A James Roche born Liverpool age 29 in 1901 aboard Ship ''Cork'' certificate number P3588
PAGE 6
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00830285
Any help ?
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hi Dathai
thanks for the reply. I found a James Roche in the Irish census 1901 living in Leland place north dock Dublin.With Father name Michael born in Wicklow 1881 also a fireman.The family said that they though he was from Wicklow ,but your find may be him if we could relate him to his wife that would be it.
Regards Paul.
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For Reference
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Leland_Place/1275467/
Michael died 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05532/4550604.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Leland_Place/19931/
Ellen married Patrick Swords 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09992/5633631.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/St__Bridget_s_Cottages/12848/
presuming this is her birth her father was a Sailor in 1875
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03104/2138349.pdf
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Martha 1877 father a sailor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03013/2104060.pdf
married Henry Coleman a sailor 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10364/5772758.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Common_Street/1274700/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Nixon_St_/26349/
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James Roach 1899
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ko9/
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Hi Datha
Thanks for the information on the Roche family from Wicklow, I wondered what we need to link the sailors to Florence Roche nee Walker. We have a marriage certificate, one of the children's birth cert and an address they were staying. Ships they worked on Aluna and Cork. With James Roche on board ship Aluna in Liverpool 1901 census. If he is married then his wife would be on the same census with children.
Regards Paul.
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has anyone got access to thoms 1926.Need a look up for a house no 13 summerhill place dublin
Paul.
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Transistorpaul
Thoms 1911,1923 and 1928 show only 32 small houses. 1928 shows in addition a Mrs Cahill in Nos 24 & 25. .O'wise no names given . Apparently there was a DMP station there in 1911.
I have not got 1926 but it is most unlikely that it will show any more.
Felixquaxer
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spotted this today
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BL-1YW
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Coolock__Part_of/Baldoyle_Town/9072/
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George Eldridge died at 39 North Strand 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05253/4456272.pdf
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George Eldridge died at 39 North Strand 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05253/4456272.pdf
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Hi Dathai,
Thanks for the information on my family tree member George Eldridge.
Regards Paul.