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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (North Riding) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Bunnygirl on Friday 01 July 11 12:15 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find a marriage between James Dotchin and Elizabeth Beatrice Miles 18th July 1896, just need reference so I can order certificate.
I have got this information from their first son's birth record, he was born in Hamilton Lanark the entry is very clear,
1896 18 July Skelton York England
Any help or advise would be much appreciated
Many thanks
Bunnygirl
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Well, there doesnt seem to be one in the indexes!
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hi lizdb,
Thanks for looking, now what to do??
Bunnygirl
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SO either
a) There was a marriage as you have the details for, but for some reason it has not made its way into the GRO indexes. You could check this out by searching the PArish registers for Skelton (assuming it was supposed to be at the Parish Church)
b) There was no marriage at all, they just put this on the form when registering the child's birth rather than admit they werent married
c) They did marry, but some other place and time, and for some reason the detials they gave were wrong. But I couldnt see a marriage around that time in theindexes, though I didnt look for long.
Free to search on FreeBMD (England and Wales) but of course they may have married in Scotland
Any further clues from any siblings births? I am not familiar with Scottish certs.
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In my father in law's tree there is scottish birth cert with the date of a wedding in Leeds in 1872, there is no record of this either.
They were obviously not married and just put it to look as if they were because she didn't get her divorce from her first husband until 1873!
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Hi,
Thankyou both for your replies.
They seem to be living in different places by 1901 James is in Scotland, a boarder and working as a Coal Miner Hewer and Elizabeth is with their son in Loftus Yorkshire, so seems as though James was away working, he is with Elizabeth's brother James Myles...... but I can't find either James or Elizabeth or their son on 1911 census and I don't no if they had any other children, or wether they are in England or Scotland.
Thought I would try to find James birth record, 1901 Scottish census says birth abt 1874 England, 1891 census there is a James Dotchin birth abt 1873 he is an Adopted son born Chester le Street Durham, and I have found another record of a baptism on 15 March 1874 Eighton Banks Durham mothers name Sarah Dotchin, so think I will need to get that record verified, as this may well be my James.
Will first have to see if Eighton Banks is any where near Chester Le Street as I don't no the area at all.
Anyway many thanks for your help and thoughts
Regards
Bunnygirl
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Eighton Banks is right on the southern tip of Gateshead and not too far from Chester-le Street.
Are you aware that there are 3 Skeltons in North Yorkshire?
(1) 3 miles north of York on the A19
(2) approx 2 miles south of Saltburn on the A173
(3) approx 3 miles west of Richmond
When it says Skelton, York on the certificate, York could well be an abbreviation for Yorkshire just like it is in the LDS indexes.....
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FreeBMD has these James Dotchin's born around 1870-1880 all in the North East.......
Dec 1872 James Laing Dotchin Tynemouth 10b 214
Mar 1874 James Gordon Dotchin Gateshead 10a 918
Sep 1875 James Dotchin Tynemouth 10b 210
Mar 1876 james Dotchin Chester le Street 10a 604
Dotchin must be a local North East name because searching in births in FreeBMD and every single one is from that area!
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Hi Bunnygirl my Gt Grandad was James Gordon Dotchin parents Sarah Dotchin and James Gordon, he was born in the workhouse in Chester le street in 1874, he had a brother John and another Edward who died as a baby. James did marry but not in England as it says on my grandad Dempster James Dotchin's birth certificate but just before his brother John was born when Dempster AKA James or Jimmy was 2yrs they married in Glasgow they would have lied to cover up illegitemacy, 2yrs later he married again in same register office in Glasgow to his second wife by whom he had a daughter Sarah. James Gordon dotchin died in March Cambs in the early 1950's
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Hi
Many thanks for your reply. I'll get back to you later today
Thanks
Bunnygirl
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Hi Bunnygirl
received your pm, I hope I managed to reply but if you haven't heard from, me pm me again, I am very new to this site !
Wendy Clark
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Eighton Banks is right on the southern tip of Gateshead and not too far from Chester-le Street.
Are you aware that there are 3 Skeltons in North Yorkshire?
(1) 3 miles north of York on the A19
(2) approx 2 miles south of Saltburn on the A173
(3) approx 3 miles west of Richmond
When it says Skelton, York on the certificate, York could well be an abbreviation for Yorkshire just like it is in the LDS indexes.....
Bunnygirl mentions that Elizabeth is later living in Loftus so I would guess that option (2) is the one in question as it's only about 5 miles from Loftus. So as The Mc says, looks like it's the abbreviation for Yorkshire rather than the city of York.
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Hi
Just for further information...James Dotchin married for a third time to Jane Duff Scott. I'm descended from his second marriage to Lizzie Shields.
I too had pieced together that James was born in the workhouse in Chester-Le-Street, and may have had siblings John and Edward. I'm trying to confirm his parentage - would anyone be able to help? Although on his certificates he writes his father was James Gordon Dotchin and mother was Sarah Robinson, I can only find birth certificates for mother Sarah Dotchin with no father mentioned, however the man who registered the births was James Gordon. I thought this might mean that James was illegitimate and that his mother was the Dotchin rather than his biological father.
Although Dotchin is an uncommon name, lots of Dotchins seem to be called James or Sarah which doesn't help!!
Does anyone know where the name Dotchin came from? From the census maps it seems localised to the NE until later in the 19th century when they start to spread out.
Any advice or info would be helpful.