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Does anybody have any information on Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield please?
I know from the 1841 census that it is next to Cold Royd but I haven't been able to find it on the 1854 map. I don't know whether it's a house or an area.
Thanks for any help!
Sandra
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Hi
I cannot recall a Owlet Hall but the area has been redeveloped several times. The best place to look would be in Tolson's book on the Kirkheaton Parish. Try contacting the Huddersfield library and asking them to have a look in the section about old halls in the area. (Long shot but could work?)
Dalton is in the parish of Kirkheaton and Cold Royd is on the borders of the Dalton and Kirkheaton villages. There still is an old farm in the area but I don't know if that's is what you are looking for.
John
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Hi
I cannot recall a Owlet Hall but the area has been redeveloped several times. The best place to look would be in Tolson's book on the Kirkheaton Parish. Try contacting the Huddersfield library and asking them to have a look in the section about old halls in the area. (Long shot but could work?)
Dalton is in the parish of Kirkheaton and Cold Royd is on the borders of the Dalton and Kirkheaton villages. There still is an old farm in the area but I don't know if that's is what you are looking for.
John
Maybe if you follow the streets near on pages or the 1841c census records route will narrow its old location down.
Maybe Owlet Hall is Owlet Hill or Howel Hill or similar ideas of it.
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Huddersfield_Registration_District,_1841_Census_Street_Index_L-O
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Hi
Just had a look in other indexes and I have only found one mention of Owlet Hall and that was the address given on William Firth's burial in Kirkheaton on the 8 November 1861.
A few years later I think his wife Mary Firth was buried in the same grave on the 14 April 1876, but her address was Nettleton, Dalton.
Nettleton Road isn't far from Cold Royd and there are only a few old buildings left in this area and they are old farms so it could have been the name of an old farm.
If you google map and put Nettleton Road, Huddersfield it will give you an idea where it was. (The old farm I am think of is towards the end of Newland Road.)
John
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Hi John
The Huddersfield Library will have more detailed maps of Dalton than internet online maps and may show up on. Having said that! the old maps web page 1852 map shows all the other old Halls like Nether Hall and Heaton Hall! -A Big puzzle!
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Thanks both for looking. I have an idea of whereabouts it would have been but I'm puzzled as to what it was! The person I'm researching, Jonathan Howard, was buried at Kirkheaton St Johns in February 1845 when his residence was given as 'Owlet Hall, Dalton'. The baptisms of some of his children give this address also. Jonathan was a fancy weaver living at Rawthorpe Lane in the 1841 census.
I think I'll have to look at the Library maps next time I'm in. Thanks for your advice.
Sandra
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Thanks both for looking. I have an idea of whereabouts it would have been but I'm puzzled as to what it was! The person I'm researching, Jonathan Howard, was buried at Kirkheaton St Johns in February 1845 when his residence was given as 'Owlet Hall, Dalton'. The baptisms of some of his children give this address also. Jonathan was a fancy weaver living at Rawthorpe Lane in the 1841 census.
I think I'll have to look at the Library maps next time I'm in. Thanks for your advice.
Sandra
As I said all the Hall's seem to be on the old map and usually there is something about them in books! Owlet hill farm or lane/road -Maybe an old farm track 17th/18th century .....................or Owlet lane
If John doen't know!(Not much chance!) he's the foremost on Kirkheaton /Dalton
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I wounder if it could be Nether Hall which is on Rawthorpe Lane. It also went under other names namely Dalton Hall (although it is in Rawthorpe and ironically Rawthorpe Hall which was also on Rawthorpe Lane was in Dalton). it was more like a farm stead and it was turned into three houses.
There is a footpath that's goes from Long Lane to Rawthorpe Lane which came out near the hall and on some maps it was named Coule Royd.
John
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Hi just looked for Jonathan Howards death details and it looks like
he lived at Oulet Hall not Owlet?? Definitely looks like a U to me.
regards Sandymc
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It does look like Oulet Hall on the parish register, but on the 1841 census it definitely says Owlet Hall, and there are six households living there.
It isn't Nether Hall, John, as that is in District 8 of Kirkheaton in 1841, whereas Owlet Hall is in District 9, in between Cold Royd and Mill Lane. From the 1854 map Mill Lane looks to be at the end of Crossley Lane so Owlet Hall must have been along there somewhere.
Sandra
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I spent some time last night looking for Owlet Hall on some old maps online, but couldn't find it. I did wonder if it had perhaps been renamed some time after 1841? Or perhaps destroyed? I notice via google searches that there are places by the name of Owlett Hall around today, but none appear to be this one at Dalton.
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I notice the bleach works on the OS map, forerunner to the modern ICI, now Syngenta works. Is it possible that Owlet Hall was knocked down when that was built?
I see references to Owlet Hall but no definite site for it, I would guess that it was similar to Laverock Hall on Jagger lane which was just a farmhouse and is now divided into 2 or 3 dwellings.
I find it most annoying because I was born in the area and thought that I knew most of the locality fairly well, but of course I'm obviously not old enough to remember Owlet Hall ;D Honest.
Your best bet might be to go through the census films in the hope of narrowing down the location.
Stu
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Thanks for spending time on this everybody!
I've looked at the description of the enumeration district in 1841 but I'm still no wiser as to where it would be. Does anybody know where Kirk Ing rivulet or bottom is or was? And where would its confluence with the River Colne be?
Sandra
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Hi
It should be Kirk Ing Beck it is the stream that runs to the side of Kirkheaton Church, the Bottom you reffer to would most probably be Kirkheaton Bottom which was just about where the railway station was which in between Crossely Lane and Newland Road, There are several becks and streams that run into each other and then they run into the Colne in the ICI grounds just off Dalton Bank Road.
John
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Thanks John. I've just been peering at the 1854 map again and I found the beck. I've widened the search for Owlet Hall but I think by 1854 it may not have existed so it looks like I'll have to see if they have an earlier map in the library.
Thanks for all your help. I didn't know where the railway station was either, so that's interesting.
Sandra
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At the back of St John's church graveyard behond the main gate (Extention other side of the public footpath) at the very bottom yard by the stream there are some old building that had weired up the old stream-some kind of old Mill water wheel maybe. 1854 OS says 'Bottom!' Posh Garden pond now! with stream running through it.
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Google map '80 Owl Mews, Lascelles Hall Road, Huddersfield'
next bring up old maps website! and find the Tandem 1854 map
find Lascelles Hall then find Lower Hall
compare maps locations
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In Places of Kirkheaton and District by George Redmonds he calls it Hullot Hall but he only says that it was formerly a small house in the Cold Royd area.
He does however give a date of 1872 for a mention in a Kirklees Archive document KC249/6.
Can I just say that I remember the railway station, that really seems like the dim and distant past. Even the railway tracks have gone now :(
Stu
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Stu - I can see how Hullot Hall would become Oulet Hall in the parish register and it's not too big a leap from there to Owlet Hall in the census. I guess in 1841 even a small house could accommodate 6 households, so that one looks promising.
Dobfarm - I saw the Owl Mews at Lascelles Hall but I think it's too far away from Cold Royd and Mill Lane to be the right place.
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No problem! Looked for anything that could be possible when nothing else is coming up.
Use this link for WYAS search engine
Enter 'Owlet'
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
Though nothing is coming up for Kirkheaton/Dalton!"! the are other Owlet places in Yorks! but what is showing up is Hullet/Hullot is also used for these other Owlet place names.
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You're right Dobfarm. That could open up a whole new discussion - what does 'Hullot' mean? It sounds as if it could be French?
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There is an Owlet near Shipley Bradford! near a river joining (the river from Bradford that meets the river Air), one at Elland somewhere There is a river meeting there as well -(the one from Greetland meeting the river Calder) Mind you so are a lot of hamlets and abodes!!! but makes me think in them terms for Hulet -Outlet of water etc.
Mention Hall! and we got straight for big family estate Houses, Mill owners houses etc! apart from Village Hall and farms there were some posh impressive looking water house buildings around Yorkshire with Mill. Rail. Dams, Weirs, Water treatment plants. and even victorian building near bridges carring pipes across water.
Maybe cork screw thinking! but any port in a storm!
Dobby
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The word Hullet is a French surname.
It is also derived from the french for Owl.
There are a few ways of spelling it.
Having been born a Tyke I know what the sound
of full blown Yorkshire sounds like and the spelling
has changed over the years probably because people
couldnt read or write and the strong accent of passing
a word on.
Hulet, Hullet, Houlet, Howlet, Owlet,
regards Sandymc
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Hi
Rootschat member! Sstar ; gave Kirklees Archive document KC249/6. this give house numbers in the catalogue search of WYAS website! so I think a good peer at this original document may be your best option or only resource proof of Hullet hall (Owlet) location in Dalton.
Great find! really by Starr.
Dobby
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George Redmonds also mentions enclosure maps/awards ( not sure which applies in this instance) for a mention of Hullot Hall in 1811. He says that these can be consulted at Huddersfield library.
Stu
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I found a street index for the 1841 census on the National Archives http://www.rootschat.com/links/0e3o/.
From this the census route seems to be
Nettleton
Lee Head
Lees Fold
Mill Lane
Owlet Hall
Coldroyd
I wonder if Mill Lane is now Nettleton road? If so it would suggest that Owlet Hall was near to the bottom of Coldroyd, that is if the enumerator followed a logical path, not always the case I know.
Stu
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Hi Stu
From the 1854 map, it looks like Mill Lane is the other end of Crossley Lane to Cold Royd, and is now School Lane, leading past the Church. I can see Nettleton and Lees Head and Dalton Lee Fold but they are fairly far apart so I wonder if the population was somewhat scattered at that time.
They all look to be areas rather than streets or lanes, so I wonder if Owlet Hall was an area and I need to look a little further afield.
Sandra
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As I say, the enumerator's route often seems incomprehensible when viewed with modern eyes.
Did you say that six families lived at Owlet in 1841 or was that just an example? Are the same family or families still around in 1851 and if so what place name is given?
Stu
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Stu - I think you've cracked it!
Of the six families living at Owlet Hall in 1841, 3 were still neighbours in 1851 and living at Coldroyd.
In 1841 Jonathan Howard and his family were living at Rawthorpe Lane. He died in 1845, address Owlet Hall, and in 1851 his widow and children were living at Coldroyd.
Therefore I think that Owlet Hall was at Coldroyd, but what it was I have no idea! I wonder if it could have been a part of the mill that they've recently pulled down?
I've also checked the descriptions of enumeration districts for Dalton and Kirkheaton in 1851 and can find no mention of Owlet Hall.
Sandra
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Hi
I would say it was just a farm and a collection of cottages.
The properties seem to disappear around the late 1850's early 1860's so I would guess they were pulled down to make room for the railway which opened I think 1868.
John
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Hi Sandra,
If it possible? have a trip to the Huddersfield (local culture studies) library or contact them for advice!
That Mill near Cold royd wasn't built on the 1854 map you mentioned! and the train line did go straight through Could royd lane as John says (1893 map).
There could be much more detailed early maps at the library than online maps
Dobby.
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I think that John is correct, Owlett Hall was about where the railway track passes through Coldroyd. I had got as far as deciding that Owlet Hall could only be the single cluster of buildings about halfway up Coldroyd on the map but hadn't got as far as the railway cutting through it.
The only earlier map which I know of is from about 1720 but I have had several attempts at looking for places near Coldroyd on this map but without success. It has field names but isn't very good for buildings, even the church is very difficult to find.
I have had a look at Jefferys map of 1775 but Owlet Hall isn't mentioned, the only local houses getting a mention are Dives House and Nether Hall.
The 1811 Enclosures may have a map but even if there is only a schedule it may give you some more information.
Stu
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Maybe worth a look
7. Bound Volume “L&Y Transcribed selections from company Committee minutes, 1848-
1876” (modern typed extracts)
http://www.lyrs.org.uk/lyr_resources/LYRS%20Archives%20Collection.pdf
click on the A4 paper tab in top left menu if it does not come up
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I've been to the Local history library this morning and the only map they have is the 1854 which is available online.
Apparently Kirklees Archives has an 1822 map showing fields and buildings belonging to the Whitley Beaumont Estate. I'll contact them and see if I can go in and have a look at it, plus anything else they may have on Owlet or Hullot Hall.
It could take some time, but I'll let you all know if I find anything.
Sandra
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In Places of Kirkheaton and District by George Redmonds he calls it Hullot Hall but he only says that it was formerly a small house in the Cold Royd area.
He does however give a date of 1872 for a mention in a Kirklees Archive document KC249/6.
Can I just say that I remember the railway station, that really seems like the dim and distant past. Even the railway tracks have gone now :(
Stu
don't forget this
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Greetings all!
May a viewer from across the Pond weigh in on this?
I have read and re-read this thread, and I have a hunch that Owlet/Hullet Hall was the structure on the west side of the present Cold Royd Lane, immediately south of the former railroad grade. It has been demolished and a new stone dwelling house erected in its stead.
My basis for this hunch arises from the lady's finding that the Howards were listed at Owlet Hall in 1841 and then Coldroyd in 1851.
The old house most often referred to as "Coldroyd" (and now "Coldroyd Cottage" according to realty ads online) stands at the top of the present navigable part of Cold Royd Lane, on the east side. It dates from no later than the XVIII. century (see Grade II listing per British Heritage), and it seems to have been a farmhouse originally. My immigrant ancestor John Broadbent dwelt there until he came to USA in 1839, and his family (North-Broadbent-Kilner) seem to have occupied that location from an early date (maybe even XVI. century???) until around 1917. These people were farmers as well as woollen manufacturers. That eliminates that building as "Owlet Hall."
The place I surmise was either Owlet/Hullet Hall or its replacement seems to have been a newer structure, probably from the XIX. century, and it appears in the well-known postcard view showing a train crossing the bridge over Cold Royd Lane. It seems plausible that, as these buildings were converted into multi-family dwellings, everything on the present Cold Royd Lane was enumerated as being in Coldroyd hamlet, and the Owlet/Hullet name disappeared.
Nearby, rather to the northwest, stands another ancestral hall, "Laverock," or "Laverock Hall"; but that seems to have a fairly well documented history under only that name.
What think you who know these places much, much better than I?
From an Observer in the Antietam Country of Pennsylvania.
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Hi
Not a bad summary tadorsett.
A few points; Cold Royd Lane is still navigable from Crossley Lane to Bankfield Lane and there is and old farm house and buildings on the right as you go up from Crossley Lane. The cottages are on the left, I think the cottages were built in the mid 1800's and one of them was the dwelling of W. Bates who was a well known local and international cricketer.
Just after the railway Cold royd is crossed by Newland Road. To the right on Newland Road was where a well to do Broadhead lived and to the left are several old dwellings and farm buildings and if Owlet still exist I would say this would be it.
There was also the ruining of an old building to top right of Cold Royd which could have been the building but I think it was also built in the mid 1800's
John
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@J.R.Ellam:
Thank you, sir. I place a lot of confidence in "dobfarm," and he appears to place a lot in you. So I value your input! I think we are "on the same page" regarding Owlet Hall.
I am at a disadvantage, being so far distant from these interesting places. The "Coldroyd" to which I refer is on the right as one goes uphill on Cold Royd Lane, and it is tucked in between the railroad grade and Newland Road. Fortunately, it is a Grade II listed building.
Coldroyd seems to have lent its name to a hamlet after construction of the house(s) partway up the hill on the left, visible in the postcard view. It is these (since demolished ??) which I suspect of being Owlet Hall. (Compare "Lascelles Hall" the residence giving its name to Lascelles Hall the hamlet.)
By "navigable" I meant worthy of a motorcar's use. From photos which relatives have taken of Cold Royd Lane and sent to me, I should be very reluctant to drive my car beyond Newland Road, although it is very inviting as a footpath.
Thanks also for the Bates cricket reference. My third cousin, the late Maurice E. Broadbent, was not only very interested in family history but was, I think, also president of the Kirkheaton Cricket Club at one time. He and Mr. Bates no doubt were acquainted if they were contemporaries.
And, finally, what is your opinion on any relationship between the present "Coule Royd" street in Dalton, Huddersfield, and our good old "Cold Royd Lane"? I ask because of the XVI.- and XVII.-century references to the Norths, which sometimes list them as "of Coldroyd" (which fairly assures one that it is our family) and sometimes as "of Couleroyd" (which, until recently discovering the existence of Coule Royd street, I thought was a variant of "Coldroyd").
Thanks for your reply.
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Hi Taddy
This link will inform you! Ie;- John.
http://www.kirkheatononlineparishclerk.com/
If time allowed no doubt!! YAS Claremont house, Leeds. West Yorkshire. UK! will have something in their Books and old Scrolls (Dusty mucky on old doc's of centuries on them and only the dedicated researchers look through them! that can transcribe (Read) the Latin or old English writting) about this hall.
Dobby
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Hi Dobby!
Thanks for the link.
Taddy.
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Hi Taddy -you could try to contact Dr George Redmonds contact details in link
http://www.hinchliffe.org/
Last time I talked to him! it was at YAS Leeds as he was reading an old Doc scroll.
He looked like a coal miner with all the black dust on him off the scroll.
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Thanks. His name keeps popping up as an authority on WY surnames. Glad to have his contact info.
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I'll mention you to him! next time I see him usually at York Uni
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Please do. And thanks again, Dobby.
Taddy.
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Hi
Coule Royd road is part of an estate that was built in the 1950's put I did mention it before. There are several references to a footpath in the area that went from Long Lane to Rawthorpe Lane, parts of which are still used.
I am unsure of it's origin but the two paths are on opposite sides of a small valley so they could have been connected but I do not have any evidence of that.
John
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Hi everybody
I'm just back from holiday and I've ordered some documents at Huddersfield archives to view later this week.
I've ordered the KC249/6 re Hullot Hall and also a few documents from the Whitley Beaumont Estate .... the 1822 map of the estate in Kirkheaton, Survey of Estate 1820 to 1857 and a list of tenants in the 19th Century, also a plan of the railway through the Whitley Beaumont Estate 1843-45.
If anybody would like me to look up people or places, let me know - might as well find as much as I can whilst I'm there!
Sandra
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If you could check among the tenants for James Broadbent and William Kilner, I'd very much appreciate it. The Broadbents lived in Coldroyd; the Kilners, in Laverock Hall.
Thanks!
TAD in USA
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I've been to the archives today. Unfortunately the 1822 map wasn't available - it's been sent away for conservation.
The only place I found mention of Hullot Hall was on the KC249/6 1872 map mentioned by George Redmonds. Hullot Hall was a croft (grass) and the occupier at the time was Thomas Newhill, who also had the tenancy of old cottages and gardens adjacent to Hullot Hall croft, which looks on the map to be a large field. These cottages may be the same ones that are still there on the left hand side of Cold Royd, but not sure about that.
The Survey of tenants in 1826 didn't mention Hullot or Owlet Hall. I didn't find my Howard ancestors in the list.
I've ordered another couple of maps of Dalton - 1811 and 1842 - and I'm going back next week to take a look.
Tad - I wasn't sure of the timeframe for your Broadbents and Kilners, but made a note of those I found in the 1826 tenants list. It didn't give much information as to where the tenants lived, just a number which relates to a map, which I didn't have a copy of...
James Broadbent was tenant of part 25, 1 cottage, pigcote, ashhouse and garden, and part 23 1 cottage, pigcote and ashhouse. This was in the Kirkheaton area.
In Dalton, there was a Martha Pontey (now Thomas Kilner) (I assume Thomas Kilner took over from Martha Pontey, not that she had changed her identity!) - tenant of 1 Ash Bridge, 4 Brown Close, 5 Croft and allotment, 7 Pinnacle, 9 Long Ing, 11 Top of Wood, 6 1 messuage, 1 cottage, barn, mistal, pigcote, ashhouse, shed and garden
I also looked at the Kirkheaton survey of graves in the churchyard. Do you have the grave inscription for your James Broadbent? I found four graves relating to James and Ruth Broadbent of Cold Royd and their sons from 1848 to 1863. If you haven't got them, let me know and I'll copy them out for you next time I'm in.
Sandra
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Sandra,
Thanks very much! It was very kind of you to keep me in mind. I doubt that either of the James Broadbents you found in Kirkheaton was mine. My records indicate that there were at least four James Broadbents in that vicinity at that time, and mine is supposed to have had around 7-9 acres at Coldroyd, which is definitely in Dalton. The James who dwelt at Coldroyd was born in 1770 and died in 1840. He married Ruth North, and they are indeed the ones for whom you found monument inscriptions. I have those inscriptions from several different sources. They appear to have succeeded Ruth's people at Coldroyd; that is, the Norths, who dwelt at Coldroyd for several generations.
As for Owlet/Hullet Hall: I will try to attach a picture on which I have circled the house I think might have been Owlet Hall, given the info you previously posted. Of the extant houses having Cold Royd Lane addresses, it is my understanding that (1) the place I think was Owlet Hall was wholly or partly demolished in the 20th century and replaced with the existing detached dwelling (although it looks as if it could be the remnants of the old building, just renovated); (2) the cottages on the left side, down a short lane near the intersection with Newland Road, were formerly called "Bank Side"; and (3) the old stone building on the right side as one ascends Cold Royd Lane, between the old railroad grade and Newland Road, is "Coldroyd," where the Norths and Broadbents (and later Kilners) dwelt. If one looks across the meadows to the westward from Cold Royd Lane, the place down a short lane from Jagger Lane is what was formerly called "Laverock." It was the home of William Kilner and afterwards his son Thomas Kilner.
Again, I appreciate your efforts very much.
TAD in USA
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Thanks for the picture Tad. I can take a picture of the current buildings and let you have a copy to compare with the postcard. From the map I have, the building on the left looks like it could be the cottages next to Hullot Hall croft but until I see an earlier map I won't know whether the cottages were Owlet Hall or if there were some earlier buildings there.
I notice you have Tolson on your list of names. Were they from Dalton? If so, my ancestors may have worked for your ancestors!
Sandra
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Sandra,
Re Tolson: My immigrant ancestor, John Broadbent of Coldroyd (1795-1856; whose death is recorded on one of the Broadbent monuments in Kirkheaton), married (first) Ann Kilner. Her parents were William and Dorothy (Tolson) Kilner, of Laverock Hall. In turn, Dorothy Tolson Kilner was the daughter of Ephraim and Ann (Poole) Tolson, of Myers, Dalton Green. The last-named couple were also the ancestors of the Tolsons who were prosperous manufacturers of Dalton; one of them, Legh Tolson, wrote the history of Kirkheaton Parish and gave the corporation the current Tolson Museum. Ephraim Tolson was the son of John and Dorothy (Richardson) Tolson, also of Myers.
So yep! they were from Dalton. Also, Ann (Kilner) Broadbent's sister Sarah married Joshua Tolson, of Dalton.
Thanks for asking!
TAD in USA
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I wounder if it could be Nether Hall which is on Rawthorpe Lane. It also went under other names namely Dalton Hall (although it is in Rawthorpe and ironically Rawthorpe Hall which was also on Rawthorpe Lane was in Dalton). it was more like a farm stead and it was turned into three houses.
There is a footpath that's goes from Long Lane to Rawthorpe Lane which came out near the hall and on some maps it was named Coule Royd.
John
Re Rawthorpe Hall, my ancestors lived there leading up to 1882.. John and Mary Ann Ellam (who divorced in 1882). Were they ancestors of yours John? I don’t know what happened to Mary Ann after that.. It would be great to find an old photo of the house / area, but it’s hard from Australia..
Claire
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Rawthorpe Hall is one of the few remaining halls in our area. It is now divided into two houses and the timber framed building has been covered in stone.
If you go on google maps and look at the junction of Rawthorpe Lane and Foxlow Avenue you can see it.
Stu
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Hi
Wrong Hall Stu. Rawthorpe Hall was what used to be the Rawthorpe Workingmen's Club. The one you mention is Nether Hall or Dalton Hall.
Claire I cannot see a John Ellam that married a Mary on my tree but if you let me know when he was born I will have look to see if I have anything about him.
John
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I agree that the old maps appear to show the hall near to the working mens club, now sadly gone, I spent many a night playing snooker in there.
However George Redmonds (RIP) the making of Huddersfield and the Minters book Discovering old Huddersfield show the building over the road which also agrees with british listed buildings which says that the address is 175 to 179 Rawthorpe Lane.
Nether Hall was further on where the riding school is.
Stu
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Hi John,
Thanks for checking. John Ellam was born in Manchester on 7 December 1837. His parents were William and Mary Ellam (nee Booth) and he had a brother Jabez and a sister Rachel Mary... Regards,
Claire
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In the linked book,(1993), page 83, I saw this description and a drawing of the building: https://huddersfieldhistory.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/discovering-old-huddersfield-v2.pdf
“Just past the church (St James Church) on the right hand side of the road stands Rawthorpe Hall. Partitioned into separate houses now, it shows few signs of antiquity but the first reference to it is found in the early sixteenth century when it was described as a timber framed building with a jettied first floor. The timber frame is still at the core of the building which was later clad in stone. On the right hand wing the projecting jetty may be seen, covered now in blue slates.”
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I agree that the old maps appear to show the hall near to the working mens club, now sadly gone, I spent many a night playing snooker in there.
However George Redmonds (RIP) the making of Huddersfield and the Minters book Discovering old Huddersfield show the building over the road which also agrees with british listed buildings which says that the address is 175 to 179 Rawthorpe Lane.
Nether Hall was further on where the riding school is.
Stu
Yes, thanks. I looked on Google “street view” and the building at that address matches the drawing in the Minters’ book on page 83. That was pretty easy to track down.. Thanks again..
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It does look like Oulet Hall on the parish register, but on the 1841 census it definitely says Owlet Hall, and there are six households living there.
It isn't Nether Hall, John, as that is in District 8 of Kirkheaton in 1841, whereas Owlet Hall is in District 9, in between Cold Royd and Mill Lane. From the 1854 map Mill Lane looks to be at the end of Crossley Lane so Owlet Hall must have been along there somewhere.
Sandra
Just a thought ???
The 1841 census emunerators route would give places near Owlet Hall to pin point/narrow down an area of Dalton where to look for it.
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Hi Claire
Just had a quick look at the John Ellam you asked about.
He doesn't seem to be related to my family but in the 1841 census it looks like his father is not from Lancashire so you would have to see if you can find out where he was born.
In the 1881 census, John living in Rawthorpe Lane near to Little Carr Green which is at the other end of Rawthorpe Lane from Owlet Hall.
If you look on a map and see the junction between Rawthorpe Lane, Carr Green Lane & Dalton Fold Road I would say your ancestors lived in the houses to left on the track that leads to Derwent Drive.
Regards
John
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Hi John,
Thanks for taking a look.. I can’t easily find where William Ellam was born, but I’ll keep looking..
Thanks for showing me where they lived..
Best wishes,
Claire.
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Hi TAD in USA,
I may have some valuable information regarding your search.
I am a latecomer to the site but live at Laverock and have been researching the families who have lived here before.
I have lots of info, photo's , grave locations etc but will make sure you're still interested before I post it all.
Speak soon,
Pip, Yorkshire
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Hi Stu,
Sorry, I don't have the PM facility yet.
I haven't come across any Copley's or any of the names on your thread.
Have you used the Kirkheaton graveyard survey by Mr Horton?
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KIRKHEATON.INFO is an archive of the grave sites and documents from the church with a searchable Excel spreadsheet- really useful.
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Hi,
I fear my Copleys at Laverock are too early for gravestones in 1584, even though they go back to the 13th century in Kirkheaton.
Kirkheaton.info does have the Leigh Tolson book about Kirkheaton though which mentions Copleys at Laverock but I don't see Owlet
Stu