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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Yorkslass on Wednesday 29 June 11 13:47 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
These are photocopies of photos, not brilliant I'm afraid, but there is no way I can get the originals.
The person who gave them to me has passed away (and she never had the originals, just these copies), but she did give me some "clues"....
Could any of you clever people give a date for both photos, and on the wedding photo, do you think the bride is the lady seated on the middle left, or right? Look at those hats!!
Also (sorry to ask so many questions) do any of you think the lady in the second photo, on her own, is the same person as the lady seated middle right, but a bit younger?
And finally, are they too bad for any restoration?
Many thanks,
Yorkslass
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Here is the second photo of the lady on her own
Yorkslass
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First one about 1905-1910, second a bit later, 1912 or so.
Cheers,
China
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I'm just an observer passing through with no expertise, however, I think it would be odd to have two dresses & bouquets virtually the same; different hats it appears. It leads me to wonder if it was a double wedding. Perhaps not though, as it looks like the woman to the right is holding flowers equally as large.
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Thank you China. I was rather hoping the second photo was the older of the two, as I thought she was the same (but younger as the lady seated right). Some resemblance though, methinks.
Thanks for your comments RedMystic. I thought maybe lady seated middle left was a bridesmaid, as I noticed the skirts of the younger bridesmaids are similar. Trouble is, the detail of the other ladies' skirt is hidden by that ginormous bouquet!
Does anyone agree there is a similarity too between the two younger men, and the two older?
Could they be two sets of brothers?
Yorkslass
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Hi Yorkslass
I'd say that the two older gentlemen look the same because of the moustaches, but the rest of the features are not quite a match.
The two younger men (far left & centre) look very similar. They appear to have common features (particularly the nose & mouth) with the woman seated on the far left & perhaps (trying to compensate a bit for the quality of the pic & the moustache) the older man seated on the far right.
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Is it possible none of these are the bride,maybe it's a photo of bridesmaids,maids of honour,pages etc.
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Thanks for replying again Red - I agree with you.
Seoras - thanks for your interest and reply.
I was told this was the wedding of one Ughtred Ashworth, who was my mother in law's Uncle. He was born 1886, and married in 1908, which makes China's date spot-on.
I think I assumed (as did my m-i-law) that the chap with his hand on the chair in the middle was the bridegroom and the younger man probably his younger brother, Emil Ashworth, who was born 1890.
She also told me one of the younger bridesmaids was another Sibling, Maud Ashworth, born 1896, but I haven't a clue which one she may be!
Thanks again for replying. It all helps so much to sort things out!
Yorkslass
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Have you noticed the "ghost" in the background? Behind the young woman standing a little apart.
Actually it looks like a double exposure.
I can`t make out who is actually the bride in this photo, perhaps the lady on her own nearer the front, and yes she does resemble the person in the second photo .
Viktoria.
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I think the 2 women mentioned as looking similar are the same person. Difficult to make out what the photo is unless the one is the bride and one a maid of honour.
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Loathe as I am to disagree with China but I think the 2nd. photo is earlier in the decade.
The outfit is too ornate for daywear so I believe she's in evening wear so the normal rules for what's acceptable to wear don't apply.
The neckline is too revealing even for 1912 but as evening wear this was quite usual.
The shape of her skirt,very wide at the bottom was also an early decade style & before I read your post I thought she & the lady on the right in the 1st. were one in the same.
The man standing behind her is her husband,this hand on shoulder pose is typical between husband & wife although you also see it between father & son/daughter.
I also believe the bridesmaid far left is a sibling of the 2 young men at the back.In fact if you put her in short hair she could be a twin of the lad behind her.
jim
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I am not an expert and have no specialist skill, but I think there are two families involved in this picture.
I think the elder couple (centre right) are parents of many of the others in the party, however one of the
small bridesmaids 'doesn't fit' the family likeness. Could she be related to the bride I wonder.
I do think that seven of these people are siblings, going most particularly by a very distinctive mouth shape.
I have placed them in what I suppose to be an approximate age order.
What do you think?
Jill
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Hello all,
Thanks so much for all your replies - I'm grateful for all input, and it's so good to have all these different "views" of things -
Viktoria - no, I hadn't noticed the ghost, but now you mention it, I can see two! A lady who is smiling, and an old chap next to her with a beard! But when I look again, there are three similar "shapes" on the wall behind.... and thanks for your remarks about the similarities between the two ladies. I still think maybe they are the same woman.
Jim - thank you so much for your comments. I had hoped the second photo was earlier, but they are too unclear, I guess, to be certain that these two ladies are the same. I was intrigued by the outfit the second lady was wearing. I'm guessing she must have been fairly "well off" to have needed an outfit for evening wear! I'm grateful too, for you pointing out the fact that the older gentleman has his hand on the lady's shoulder. Something else I hadn't noticed!
And yes! I agree the lady far left does have very similar facial similarities to the two young men. She could well be Nora Ashworth, who was born in 1888. Thanks so much.
Jill - you are so good to have gone to the trouble of putting together all these faces. (wish I could do that!) The mouth shape is, as you say, very distinctive - sort of down turned. The lady with the really big hat, to the left of the "groom" does seem to be the "odd one out", and I'm getting more convinced she is the bride.
I do have a photograph of the "grooms" parents, taken in 1920, with some of their grandchildren, but I can't immediately see a great resemblance to anyone on these photos.
It might help if I posted that?
Thanks again to everyone.
Yorkslass
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I loathe you too, Jim ;D ;D ;D
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my tuppence worth:
Bride on left, matron of honour right, bridesmaids far right and next to the bride and the rest young bridesmaids - most probably members of the family.
Kind regards
Bev
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Hello again,
Thanks for your reply Bev, and I do agree. I'm afraid I know nothing about the lady Ughtred married - except she was called Maud Salisbury.
I'm attaching a photograph of the groom's parents, Benjamin and Grace Ashworth, with some grandchildren, which was taken about 1920.
I don't think these two are on the wedding picture, somehow ..... ?
I'm amazed at how similar the little girls in this photo are to the ones in the wedding pic!
Yorkslass
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Gave them a go.......first one
Terry
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Second
Terry
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Third
Terry
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Terry - thank you so much for restoring the photographs. What a lovely surprise!
You restorers are so clever! You've got rid of the speckly effect on the first two, and brought the detail out on the lady's dress so well. I didn't realise it could be done on photocopies.
The last photo is incredible. So clear, and all those creases and tears gone, and I rather like the "textured" effect on the last one.
Thank you again, I really do appreciate the time and concentration it must have taken.
Best wishes,
Yorkslass
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HI
First time here, and what a find. Seeing these photos has made my day! Benjamin Ashworth was my 1st cousin 3 times removed - his father (John) married my Great Great Grand Aunt (Esther Sowden), so I guess that makes Ughtred my 2nd cousin twice removed.
Thank you for sharing these pictures - would you mind if I added copies into my Family Tree?
Best wishes
Mark
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Hi Mark and welcome to Rootschat...How lovely that you found family photos on here 8) When you have made three posts you can send Yorkslass a P.M. ( Personal Message) by clicking onto the green scroll beneath her name.
Carol
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Hi Carol
Thanks for the reply to my post - I look forward to participating more over the coming weeks!
Best wishes
Mark
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Hi again!
Just to add my further 2p's worth.....
A search of the GRO records shows that on the same day that Maud married Ughtred, her sister Mabel also married (to a George Bees) - GRO reference Burnley 8E 457 Jan-Mar 1908. Mabel was 3 years older than Maud so maybe this was a double wedding?
Regards
Mark
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Hello Mark,
By George, I think you've got it!!
Now why didn't I think of that? It could explain the two "main" ladies in the middle of the photograph, with their huge bouquets.
In fact RedMystic suggested it quite early on in the thread, but I didn't follow it up ...
It's great to hear from you, and by all means use the photographs. It's good of you to ask :)
Yorkslass
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Coming late to this, I am fascinated by the First Name Ughtred.
Is it a family surname? Do you pronounce it like Hugh..tred, without the leading H?
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Here, IS, try this. Very cool site.
http://www.forvo.com/word/thomas_ughtred/
Cheers,
China