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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: ian-nz on Wednesday 29 June 11 10:06 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am hoping someone can help me please. There is an entry for William Grey birth 1821 at Gloucestershire, residence Tetbury on the 1841 census on Family Search. This entry for William Grey I cannot find on An.....try. What I would like to find out is who he is living with on this census.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline
I have looked at the 1841 census and the writing is faded but also hard to read. He is staying in a house with 9 others and they are other workers. He is a Agricultural Labourer as are half of the others living there and most of them are about 20 years old. There are some older people and the head of the household is someone called Frances ??? who is 40 years old.
I cannot see anyone else living there with the surname Grey so presume he had moved away from home with his job?
Hope this helps
regards Sandymc
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Hi Sandymc,
Thank you for that information. I was hoping there would be other family with him. He married not long after the 1841 census but information after that is hard to confirm.
Many thanks again for your help.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline
When you say you know he was married just after the 1841 census?
Do you have his wifes name or where it happened.
I have looked in the 1851 and 61 census and cannot find him. Just
wondered if I could find him through his wife.
Not knowing where you are do you think or know if he emigrated to Canada
or Australia???
Anymore information you have I could try and research on but there is
so little to go on here I am finding it hard to find him??
regards
Sandymc
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Hi Sandymc,
This is what I have found on William Grey/Gray. Not sure when he was born but think about 1818 in Shipton Moyne. I found a marriage on I think, Find My Past to Elizabeth/Caroline (she used both names) Large and ordered the certificate. They married on 3 July 1841 at Tetbury.
On the 1851 census William is a widower aged 32 and has a son George Henry aged 8 and Ann aged 5 both born at Tetbury. I have not been able to find a death for his wife. On the 1861 census William Grey is aged 45? living with parents William and Hester and is listed as married and after this I can find nothing else on William.
I am wondering if the William on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 are the same person and would appreciate your thoughts on this.
Regards Pauline from New Zealand
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Hi Pauline
Still cant find a birth for William around 1818-21. I did find the following marriages at Shipton Moyne and wondered if these couples are also
your Greys? Especially with the names of Williams children
Hester Mills married William Grey in 1811 at Shipton Moyne
Ann Bartlett married George Grey in 1790 at Shipton Moyne.
The church at Shipton Moyne is St John the Baptist. They have a website
if you do a search and there is also a e mail you can send. Just wondered
if you told them you were in New Zealand that the Vicar might have a
look for you if the records are still there? I have done that before and the
Vicars are very friendly and interested in your stories.
Going out now so hope you can find out more soon
regards Sandymc
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Hi Sandymc,
Thank you so much for all your time and trouble.
Yes Ann Bartlett and George Grey are my GGGG Grandparents and Hester Mills and William Grey are my GGG Grandparents. They had six children William was the eldest and Charles b1836 was the youngest and was my GG Grandfather. He had a son William who emigrated to Qld, Australia in 1881.
I have been able to trace all Hester and William's children except William born 1818-21.
I will do as you suggest and e mail the church at Shipton Moyne and hopefully they may have a record of his birth.
Thank you once again I will let you know how I get on.
Kind Regards
Pauline
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Hi Pauline,
Do you have the names of Hester Mills parents and any of her siblings? My GG Grandfather was a Worthy Mills from Shipton Moyne. He was born in 1832 and I am trying to sort out his family. I know he was born in Shipton Moyne. He came out to NZ in 1874.
Many thanks,
Gayle ??? ???
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Hi Gayle,
Lovely to hear from you. I am afraid I have not been able to find anything further on Hester Mills. Hester has her place of birth as Westport, Wiltshire which I see on the map as being very close to Shipton Moyne. As there were only 350 people in Shipton Moyne in 1841 which is not many famlies it is quite likely that there is a connection between your Worthy Mills and my Hester. I did get in touch with the lovely Vicar in Shipton Moyne but he found a lot of the records were missing and could not find any of the baptism records I was after for William and Hester's children between 1814 and 1836.
If I find anything new I will let you know.
Regards Pauline
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Many thanks Pauline for your quick response.
My Worthy's parents were married in Hullavington, just across the border in Wiltshire. There seem to be a lot of Mills in Wiltshire - even more than Gloucestershire.
Happy hunting. If I find anything connecting us I will let you know!!
Gayle
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Hi again,
Just to give you a georgraphy lesson of the area.
Shipton Moyne is in the district of Tetbury Union, Tetbury
Hullavington is 4 miles away
Westport St Mary is 0.3miles from Malmesbury which I saw Hestor mentioning was her birthplace.
Shipton Moyne is 3 miles from Malmesbury.
Shipton is 5 miles from Hullavington.
These areas are very close to each other but on the border of Gloucestershire
and Wiltshire, which often makes finding your ancestors difficult.
These were all walkable distances in those days. No cars allowed laugh.
Then I looked at Worthy Mills born about 1831.
On the 1841 census he is 10 and with his parents
William born 1796 in Gloucestershire
Jane born 1801 "
In 1851 census William is 56 born in Shipton and Ag Lab
Jane is 53 born Hullavington.
Worthy is 20
Edwin born 1834 Ag Lab born Shipton
Then Hester Mills
She is quoted as being born Westport and Malmesbury on the census
as mentioned they are only 0.3 miles away from each other which is
like a walk down the road.
I did find the following for the Grey family which I dont think has been mentioned fully
George Grey and Ann christened their children at Shipton Moyne
William Grey christened 17th October 1790 died 5th December 1790
William Grey " 11th October 1791
Robert Grey 11th May 1794
Aaron Grey 12th August 1798
Moses Grey 12th August 1798
Dinah Grey 7th July 1805
A few gaps so might be missing information or they died before they
were baptised.
Cant see yet the connection between your Hester and Worthy but it
could be the Grandma Jane as I noticed they have a Jane as a Granddaughter
in a later census.
regards Sandymc
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See my next post
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St John the Baptist, Shipton Moyne, Glos
William GREY m. Hester MILLS 20th August 1811, by Banns.
Baptisms of William & Hester's children at Shipton Moyne, a Labourer of Shipton Moyne:-
29/04/1814, Elizabeth, born 28th August 1813
09/02/1815, William
28/06/1818, Aaron
17/06/1821, Henry
31/08/1823, Marianne
01/04/1827, George
14/03/1830, Emma
03/04/1836, Charles
Victor
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Many thanks Sandymc and Victor for your added information. I know that Worthy's parents, William and Jane (Angel) married in Hullavington in 1818, when Jane was 22. I'm sure they must have had other children before Worthy who was not born until 1832 when Jane was 36. Perhaps Hester was my William's Aunt. Hester and William's son William was born 3 years before my William, so obviously not the same person. Don't you just love genealogy.......sometimes in answering a question, it raises dozens more!!!
Many thanks once again for your input. The geography lesson was invaluable, thank-you.
Kind Regards,
Gayle in NZ.
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Hi Victor,
You have made my day. I have been searching for these Grey children baptism dates for four years and had given up ever finding them. William I had as being born in 1819 and Aaron I did not have at all. Aaron was a family name so I am not surprised they also had a son by that name.
Once again thank you, thank you. I still cannot believe it. I have a lot of rewriting of my records to do.
Kind Regards,
Pauline
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Hi Sandy,
Thank you for the information you have found on my Grey family. Every piece of information helps and it is amazing what it can lead to.
It is hard to imagine from this side of the world all these little villages so close to-gether and with in walking distance of one another. Thank you for explaining that.
Pauline