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Hi
I'm helping a friend with her family tree & need more help. I'm looking for Susan Pope abt 1791 born Dartmouth. Had a son John born abt 1822. Found a Susan & Susanna Pope on 1851 census in Reg District Crediton Devonshire. The Susan Pope I think is married to a John Pope so looks hopeful.
Would be very grateful for the details of these families. Or Just the Susan if born Dartmouth.
Washy
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ho107 1887/321/15
Shute Village Shobrooke
Joseph Pope 39 farm lab b Plymouth
Elizabeth 39 wife b Shobrooke
Susanna 59 widow mother dress maker b Dartmouth
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1841
HO107 209/6/6
John Pope 56 ag lab
Susan 50
Hannah 9
all born in county
Uppincott Village Shobrooke
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Thankyou Isobelruss, that's great, the son John says born Shobrooke on earlier census.
Love this site.
Washy
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I have been searching through IGI and there are several John Pope who married Susans/Susannas:
working through them this could be them:
John Pope married Susanna Shepherd on the 28/11/1811 Stoke Damerel, Devon ( I see from a 1851 census which may be totally wrong as I have the same family in Farmington Devon as shown below by isobellruss. this would make Joseph her eldest son born 12 months post marriage which would tie in)
If that is the correct Susanna - there was a Susan Shepherd christened 23/06/1790 at St Saviour, Dartmouth. Father:James Shepherd & Mother: Hannah.
Found Jospeph Pope and family on the 1871 so I have taken it that Susan/Susanna may have died - there is a death for a Susan Pope in 1864 (quarter 1 - jan to march), in Crediton (volume 5b Page 341).
The death certificate would give you details of who registered her death and where they lived to enable you to tie all information together. Bear in mind that I am only guessing and you may want to dig further before paying out for certificates I do not understand how Devon is made up so not sure if Crediton and Farmington are close - would not want you to go down the wrong track.
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Hi Thorneytale
Thankyou for your help really need it lol.
Have Mother Susan on 1861 census living with her son John in Farrington. I have also looked for John & Joseph's births but didn't come up with mother Susan/suzanna with father John, and couldn't find a suitable marriage for John & Susan. I was thinking may be Susan was stepmother. You have now given me food for thought.
What you have really fits
Many thanks
Washy
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I have been doing a bit of looking around and have amalgamated the following which may be helpful:
Susan and John had 3 children that we know about from the census:
Joseph Pope born 1812 (can't find his christening) who married Elizabeth. Susan Pope (mother was living with him in 1851.
Hannah Pope 1832 - she is going to be tricky as I can't find the christening and there are various ones around - if you have other information it may help you tie her down.
John Pope born abt 1822 (can't find his christening who married Ann. Susan Pope( mother was living with them in 1861)
John Pope's Children:
Joseph born abt 1846 (probably shown on BMD as 1846, July - Sept, Crediton (Volume 10, Page 67)
Susan born abt 1849 (there are 2 who could be her - but if I was to go for the likely one I would say 1848, Oct-Dec, Crediton, (Volume 10, page 69)
Anna born abt 1853 (probably shown on BMD as 1854, July -Sept, St Thomas (Volume 5b Page 63) there was another Anna born in Tiverton but the next 2 children were registered as St Thomas so took a guess)
Georgianna born abt 1860 (1861 shows Georgianna - found a birth for a Georgina in 1859, Jul-Sept, St Thomas, (Volume 5b Page 51)
Sophia born abt 1862 - 1881 census shows her as Sophia S, general servant - found a birth Sophia Shepherd Pope 1861, Apr-Jun, St Thomas (Volume 5b Page 54)
John born abt 1865 - 1881 census shows him as John S, groom - found a birth John Shepherd Pope, 1865, jan-mar, St Thomas (Volume 5b Page 56)
Interesting that Sophia and John have Shepherd in their name this could confirm that John Pope Snr married Susanna SHEPHERD. will do another post with a little information on Joseph's family then leave you to it as I know the joy and excitement can be of finding the relatives yourself.
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Information found on Joseph's family (John's son born1846)
1891 Census shows him living in South Mims, Barnet
Joseph, 44, Boot Maker, born Shobrooke Devon
Elizabeth, 46, born Butterleigh, Devon
Frank Q Pope, 19, Shoe Maker, born Bloomsbury London (I think this is Frank Quick Pope, 1871, july-sept, registered Holborn, Volume 1b Page 559)
(The 1881 Census shows a Frank Pope Grandson with John and Ann I guess he was visiting!)
Ada Pope, 12, general servant, born Friern, Barnet
Joseph H Pope, 12, errand boy, born South Mims
Gertrude Pope, 8, scholar, born South Mims
Ruth W Pope, 5, scholar, born South Mims
Henry D Elliot, 26, nephew, waiter at restaurant, born Exeter, Devon. When I looked at the original the D looked like the Q in Frank's name - I found a Henry Quick Elliot, born 1864 Oct-Dec, registered at Exeter, (Volume 5b Page 87). Looks like there may also be a Quick in the family!
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hi Thank you so much. Had given up on them & started on another line. Wish I hadn't though lol. If you like a mystery here's one. Looking for a Lorraine Bryant or Lorraine Bryan from Plymouth. Married Frederick England. Found a marriage 1919 plymouth of Lorraine A Bryant to Frederick England. However, can't find her birth. Found a Laurine A Bryant born Plymouth 1901, so thought it probable her and had been transcribed wrong, but on the census she is down as Laurine, so don't know what to do now.
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Don't forget on the marriage reg frederick has middle initial "C"
Suz
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Hi I know, Just found out been following wrong Frederick England, Have posted apology.
Washy
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Hi,
It's so annoying when we follow a wrong line -but it happens to all of us - and often when you are researching for a friend
I only brought your attention to the "C" as it helps if they have a middle name especially when the name is not uncommon.
Bless you for posting an apology - not many do
Regards
Suz
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I have been having a look round and it may be that Laurine and Lorraine are the same person:
Laurine Ada Bryant born 1901 July to Sept Plymouth (Volume 5b Page 244)
Lorraine A Bryant married to Frederick C England 1919
Lorraine A Bryant died 1933, Plymouth (which would tie in with with Laurine's birth)
Laurine may have decided to be known as Lorraine - there are very few of either around that time so it is possible she changed it prior to her marriage. Our ancestors seem to like changing their names or going by their middle names to make research a little more interesting!
Tried finding Frederick on the census and bmds but could find him on the census and the bmds are a bit sketchy.
I would suggest that you go for the marriage certificate as it will show where they were living when they were married, their ages and their father's names.
You could find Laurine's/Lorraine's family and any siblings AND if Frederick was born prior to 1901 to can track him through the census - which is easier when you have a father's name as well to confirm you have the right family and will also help confirm his birth/death.
Good luck
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It seems pretty certain Laurine Ada and Lorraine Ada are the same person
Maybe she didn't change her name - maybe it was just spelled differently on documents
The certain way is to obtain birth details of Laurine Ada and marriage cert -and see if the father's "match"
Suz
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Hi Suz & Thorneytale,
Thanks for all the help, I think safe bet Laurine is Lorraine & just had a look for her family. Father Albert Bryant, Mother Rhoda Elizabeth, thought this should be easy marriage to find but then realised mother from Guernsey lol. Don't think this is going to be an easy family to do. I know that I really need the marrage cert for Frederick & Lorraine, but not to sure if my friend realises that doing this can get expensive. Doing my family tree sent for 4 certs to get right one, all because ref number been transcribed wrong.
Many thanks
Washy