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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Overstayer on Tuesday 28 June 11 00:27 BST (UK)
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Presently researching my ggg grandfather George Robson, who was a painter in Hexham.
On the 1851 census he is in the Hexham workhouse and his birth place is given as Stokesley YKS. I have had no joy in the parish of Stokesley and have now decided to persue the Hexham lead. ROBSON is a diabolical name to trace because it is so prolific!
To add to the frustration, there are 2 George ROBSONs in Hexham, of about the same age.
One is married to Barbara on the 1841 census and has a Y to indicate that he was born in the county (NBL) sons William and James. This George was a soldier. I've ruled him out because -
The other George is a painter with N on the 1841 census entry indicating that he is born out of the county. He too has a son called William.
I am stumped! Please can anyone advise me on my next move?
Overstayer.
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Hi
How did you work back to George? Which of his children are you descended from?
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I am descended from George's son William.
Overstayer.
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When & where was your William born?
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William Robson was born at Hexham in about 1817 (calculated from age on census)
Overstayer.
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Hi Overstayer,
The George Robson, Painter, in 1841 census in Hexham, has a Mary Robson, age 20, probably a daughter, living with him, but no William.
Which census do you have William, born Hexham, in? Can you give the reference info, or give some info on where to find him, wife, children, occupation etc.
I presume you have a copy of his Marriage Cert, which is how you know his father is George, a Painter?
With a bit more info, maybe we can find William, or some of his siblings baptisms, or Georges marriage, might give more clues.
Alan.
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Thank you Alan.
I have George's son William on the 1851 census for Westgate. On the 1861 census for Hexham he is a widower aged 45, in the Hexham Workhouse. I have his marriage cert in 1840 at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, which records his father George as being a painter.
I too suspect that the Mary Robson living with George (Hexham 1841) is his daughter. The Free BMD has 26 Mary Robsons 1842 - 1863. Apparantly I must buy a cert in order to discover whether I have the right one - an expensive business!
How I wish I could find George's marriage. I have a list of Hexham marriages 1800 - 1837 with a George Robson marrying Isabella Forster in 1801, but will have to see how I can get a photocopy.
Paddy.
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First of all - an apology - I thought I had posted this on Wednesday but obviously I didn't :-\
I looked for your William in Hexham PRs 1815 - 1820 but could not see him.
I can look at the marriage details for you this coming Wednesday if nothing has come to light before then.
Christine
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My take on William's Hexham birth in 1817 is from Census details. I would very much appreciate your looking at the marriage details for Mary & George.
Paddy.
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In 1851 census in Westgate, William has a brother, James, Journeyman Sadler, age 40, born Hexham, living with him.
HO107/2404/127/62
In 1841 census, James is living in the same street as George Robson and Mary, Battlehill in Hexham, with wife Isabella and family.
HO107/840/6/35/19
Familysearch has a baptism, 2 Dec 1810, Hexham, of a James Robson, but he is the son of George and Barbara.
Do you have the 1841 census ref, or further info to find the other George (ex Soldier) and Barbara in 1841 census?
Alan.
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I don't have the 1841 ref for soldier George and his wife Barbara Wilson.
Paddy.
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Alan,
Apologies for my previous abrupt reply! I have been back to my list of Hexham marriages and note there is a George Robson married to Isabella Forster in 1801. I have record of just 2 sons, the eldest of them being James born about 1811. That is a gap of 10 years, suggesting more siblings - but where are they.
Thank you very much for your help in sorting this out,
Paddy.
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Hi Paddy
Not a lot to report on the marriage I'm afraid - there is rarely any detail in marriages of this time but
the marriage took place on 23rd February 1801, banns were read on Sundays 8th, 15th and 22nd Feb.
Witnesses William Wilson and Joseph Balron (best guess but could be Balson or similar). George signed his name, Isablla made her mark.
No parent detail.
Christine
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One other thing - I find it very strange that there are no recorded children to this couple - haven't found James circa 1811 either.
I'm therefore wondering whether they moved away or, alternatively, that they were non-conformist.
Christine
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Christine,
That's about as much as I have for (painter) George Robson and Isabella Forster.
I have just 2 sons for George, James 1811 and William 1817 both sons born Hexham. Later James marries an Isabella born Hexham and has at least 5 children all born
Hexham. So there should be record of James in Hexham.
Meanwhile William marries Mary Ridley (of Hexham) in DUR 1st chd born Wearmouth DUR, 2nd chd Hull YKS, 3rd chd Newcastle NBL. Then finally dies in the Hexham Workhouse.
Thank you for checking for me.
Paddy.
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Hi Paddy
The only James Robson baptised in St. Andrews, Hexham at the right time was 1810 son of George and Barbara.
It would have been very unusual for a couple not to have children for 10 years after they were married - offspring usually start arriving any time after the marriage and continue at regular intervals.
On the other hand they do seem to be fixed in Hexham for some time which is why I suggested that they may be non-conformist. The children would then have been baptised in their own church - Presbyterian, Methodist etc. Those records do not normally appear in the parish church records though are sometimes listed under dissenter births. Unfortunately St. Andrew's do not include these.
There are some Methodist records at Northumberland archives which I can have a quick look at next week if you wish - we may be lucky!
Christine
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Christine,
This sounds pretty logical to me. Thank you for following through. I would be most appreciative if you would look up these errant offspring for me.
Paddy.
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Hi Paddy
I'm afraid that the offspring are still errant!
There's not much in the way of non-con records for that time but I have checked the Ebanezer Chapel and the Wesleyan Chapel to no avail. I also looked at Hexham RC church but didn't find anything but this -
8 June 1800 Robert spurious child (as opposed to lawful child!) of George Robson and Elizabeth Williamson.
It may have no connection but perhaps worth keeping - you never know!
I restricted my search to 1800 - 1812 (from marriage to James approx. birth year). I reckoned that if they weren't showing up in that timescale then they probably weren't there.
Christine
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Thank you so much for following through with James. I will indeed make note of the spurious child! Something may come up to link him with my lot.
Paddy.