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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Hanford on Monday 27 June 11 21:29 BST (UK)
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Hello,
can anybody read what the occupation is please? ???
The first is from the 1841 census, and the second is from a baptism record, which I think sas private p4 Good? ???
Thank you :)
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John Buzzard was a Private serving in the 1st (Foot) Guards.
The 1841 entry - something keeper, but I'm struggling. :-\
Nell
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Oh wow! Now that is very interesting, thank you ;D ;D
I thought cable keeper ( not sure if that exists ) but now you've said he was a Private maybe it was something to do with the army? ??? ???
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Is he in Islington?
Some references on A2A to a John Buzzard, paper hanger in Islington. I can't see hanger, but I can see paper.
Nell
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Is Islington in Middlesex? If so yes ;D ( I should know this being a Londoner :-[ :-[ )
I can see Paper too now you've said... Paper Keeper? ???
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1827 "Insured: John Buzzard, 9 Cooper Street, Dacre Street, Westminster, gent and Elizabeth his wife"
This is him... but Catherine is his wife? Well that's thrown me now, she's alive and kicking in 1815 and on the 41 and 51 census...
Never thought of looking at the a2a website, thank you! ;D
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Two John Buzzards - ? father & son.
Nell
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Oh yeah! Wehey, didn't think I'd come from gentry, my grandfather will be pleased ;D
Thank you ;) ;D
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Hello,
can anybody read what the occupation is please? ???
The first is from the 1841 census, and the second is from a baptism record, which I think sas private p4 Good? ???
Thank you :)
Can you attach a larger part of the entry. The occupation, first letter, similar to the "C" in Catherine. Second letter similar to the "a" in Catherine. Middle letter similar to the "h" in Catherine.
Regards
Malky. who cannot see "paper" at all as there are 3 "r"s in the entry to compare them with.
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Hello ;D
Here's some more of the census :) :)
Hello,
can anybody read what the occupation is please? ???
The first is from the 1841 census, and the second is from a baptism record, which I think sas private p4 Good? ???
Thank you :)
Can you attach a larger part of the entry. The occupation, first letter, similar to the "C" in Catherine. Second letter similar to the "a" in Catherine. Middle letter similar to the "h" in Catherine.
Regards
Malky. who cannot see "paper" at all as there are 3 "r"s in the entry to compare them with.
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What does the "William Buzzard" at the top of the first page do as a living?
Having had a close look at the enlargement, the "C"'s on the page all show a follow-through loop on exit. The one "G" does not. I wonder if this is a misspelling of "Gaol" as in old English prison, and he is a "Gahel" (as pronounced) keeper, being a prison warder.
Regards
Malky
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He hasn't got any thing written in his box :-\
There are only 5 people on that page who have their occupation written,
I've copied and pasted them all togeter, again I can't read most ::) but maybe they are all working in the same sector? ??? :)
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Mr MacDonald works in the local Brass Foundry ?
Mr Giles making/selling accoutrements (accessories to clothing)?
Pat ...
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Mr MacDonald works in the local Brass Foundry ?
Pat ...
I'd have never gotten that one, thank you :D ;D
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Robert Giles in an Accoutrement Maker :- supplier of military accessories. (No room for the whole word "maker" so only the "M" is showing.)
John Fidoe is a Guns Lock Maker. (Makes actions for rifles and guns, as in side-locks and box-locks.)
Regards
Malky
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Robert Giles in an Accoutrement Maker :- supplier of military accessories. (No room for the whole word "maker" so only the "M" is showing.)
Regards
Malky
Thank you :)
John Fidoe is a Gun lock maker ( finally got one ::) )
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I added to my last but one post. Have you re-read it?
Regards
Malky.
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I added to my last but one post. Have you re-read it?
Regards
Malky.
;D
Wooops, didn't notice that before :-[ ;D
I guess the occupations do tie in, in a way?
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Robert Giles in an Accoutrement Maker :- supplier of military accessories.
Thanks Malky - I should have realised that they are all associated with the military, did wonder about the gun lock m(aker). Presumably the Brass foundry is also military?
Pat ...
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Just dropped in before going to bed and I think he was a game keeper - just bad handwriting :o
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Morning
It could be game keeper looking at it ;D
I actually dreamed about this last night ::) ;D
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I shouldn't think there was much huntin' shootin' and fishin' in Westminster in 1841, so I would doubt it was Game Keeper.
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I shouldn't think there was much huntin' shootin' and fishin' in Westminster in 1841, so I would doubt it was Game Keeper.
Probably not any Camel Keepers either then? ;D
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Probably not any Camel Keepers either then?
No, the game keepers shot all of the Camels from Westminster bridge. No Grouse left!!
Mind you, in their memory, they named a road after them, Camel Road, and just to make it authentic, they put in speed "humps". Shame that the Camels never got their just "deserts".
Regards
Malky
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Probably not any Camel Keepers either then?
No, the game keepers shot all of the Camels from Westminster bridge. No Grouse left!!
Mind you, in their memory, they named a road after them, Camel Road, and just to make it authentic, they put in speed "humps". Shame that the Camels never got their just "deserts".
Regards
Malky
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Best post of the year :D
I never knew there could be so many puns involving a camel ;D ;D
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Hi Rachey,you must be a relation.John Buzzards son William,is my Greatgrandfatherx4.
I will look into Johns service with the Guards regiment.there is a possibility that he was with the regiment at the Battle of Waterloo!!!!!.
ATB...Lawrence Phillips
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Hello,
William is also my 4x Great grandfather :) :)
Which of his sons/daughters do you descend from? :)
How exciting would it be if he fought in the Battle of Waterloo!! I could sing Abba's song with pride ;D ;D
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First letter is definitely a "C" (compare with Catherine McDonald), not a "G" (it has no tail like the one in "Gunlock m"), nor a "P" (compare the much more elaborate one in Priscilla Fidoe!).
Given that his "a"s tend to be very open, with sometimes a tiny loop at the start (look at the ones in John Buzzard, and Catherine immediately below it), I think the second letter is an "a" and not a "u" or anything else.
The next letter could be an "h" or a "p" (it's exactly like the "p" in Cooper Street!), the next is most likely an "e", and the final one an "l".
This would all add up to "Capel Keeper" -- and unless someone knows what that is, I'd hazard a guess that there's an "h" missing and he was a Chapel Keeper. :D ;D
Any good?
Cheers!
Mike
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;D ;D
The only thing that comes up for "Capel Keeper" is literally, a goal keeper for Capel ;D Maybe that's where I get my awesome football skills ( not! ) ;D
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Hi Rachey.William was married to Ann,and when she died,he married Eliza Reynolds.Eliza and Williams daughter Alice then married a William Phillips and on and on.
A lot of the family lived in the Covent Garden area of London,and some still do.
So if you are descended from Anne and William,then we are 1/2 somethings and if u are descended from William and Eliza,then we are full oojimaflips
John Buzzard was not at Waterloo,but I am guessing that he was a recruiting sargeant and that is how he would have met Catherine in Oxford.
I live with my partner,Sandra in Dagenham,in essex and will soon be putting my findings on ancestry.co.uk
Please reply,sincerly,Lawrence Phillips
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I will be in the chatterbox room 4 10 mins
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Hello, sorry you just missed me, I needed my I'm a Celebrity dose! ;D
William & Ann are who I descend from, so we're definitely half somethings ;D 4th cousins 4 times removed? :o
I did wonder how he met Catherine, do you know her surname at all as I can't go baack any futher then John and Catherine :'(
Wey an Essex lad eh?:) :)
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Dont know Catherines surname yet.It was very rare for regular people to marry others,even 4 streets away,let alone between Cowley and London.
Once we have Johns military records,then we should get some clues.Unfortunately,the records for the Guards regiment were mostly destroyed by bombing at the Guards Chapel in Birdcage Walk.Maybe this is where John was the Chapel Keeper?.
So he could have met Catherine,whilst recruiting in Oxfordshire,or as there is no record of a marriage,there is always a possibility that he married her on service.
Regiments were allowed to take 6 wives per company on active service,where they shared the hardships with the men.If their husbands were killed,they were generally remarried within 2 to 3 days(its a possibility for our John and Catherine)
Given Johns age in 1815,its possible that he served in the guards from 1795 and could have been present in the American wars and the Peninsular wars against France.this is where he could have married Catherine...Maybe the Catherie you found married to another man is the correct Cathy after all.I wonder if he was in the same regiment as John and died in battle,and then our gallant GGFx5 married her??
Essex Lad!!.Unfortunately no...Essex old lad yes..
If you look on Facebook under Lawrence Phillips you should see a photo of me driving my famous rich lady guvner to Liz hurleys wedding in the days when I was a house butler/chauffeur.
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This is me,driving my old boss to Liz Hurleys wedding
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the sunglasses were on because there were so many paps flashing,I couldnt see without them
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Occupations were not collected until the 1841 Census
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/table_page.jsp?tab_id=GB1841OCC_M%5B1%5D
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~matthew/Papers/Woollard_1881Classifications_no%20illustration.pdf
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~census/1841_transcription_hints.htm
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http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php
http://www.walthamstowhistory.com/walthamstow.htm
"In 1808, the whole site and some surrounding marshland was put up for sale. It was puchased by a Welsh based company known as the "British Copper Company". The copper was smelted in "Landore" near Swansea in South Wales and brought by barge around the south coast up the Thames and the Lea, then up the Coppermill Stream to the mill. The original wooden unloading crane can be seen in the above picture. The copper ingots were then rolled into thin sheets which were sent all over the Country to be stamped into coins. These were penny and half penny tokens.
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Wow you know alot! ;D
I can't even find a Catherine being born in the town she was born in, except Catherine Penny but I don't think that's her :-\
Very impressive job by the way! Get you mixing with the stars :D ;D
muddy, thank you for the links, they are really interesting, have just gotten to the Walthamstow history one, some beautiful old houses there :) :)
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It could be Catherine Penny,she may have been married twice.I did not realise how time consuming this ancestry stuff could be.
I thought that there were 2 Buzzard families living near each other with a William as the head.Until I worked out that Anne had died and he had then married Eliza,whose husband Robert Reynolds had also conveniantly died!!.
Both families were almost neighbours,so would have known each other.
Also Eliza Reynolds whom William married after Annes death had 4 children herself,and it looks like they were shared out amoungst the Buzzard family and unofficially adopted.
So you could have cousins on your half that are unknowingly adoptees of Eliza Buzzard/Reynolds.
It looks almost certain that John Buzzard ended his days as Chapel Keeper (caretaker)to the Guards Chapel in Bird Cage walk.and this would explain how Catherine was given the relative luxury of an Alms house,conected to the Regiment and Chapel in St Ermins Hill SW1.
Here she lived with 2 of Williams and Annes children.Emma and Sarah
Another son of William and Anne,John,was put into the Greycoat workhouse school.
Henry stayed with his mother and father.
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The reason that I am following the Buzzard line of the family,is that it is so much easier to follow than the name Phillips,which is a blooming nightmare,because there are thousands of the buggers.
Have u got an ancestry tree anywhere on tinternet?
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Corrr you're smart!
You've worked out in one post what I've been trying to work out for years! :D
I do have a tree on ancestry, it's set to private though so when you have joined or if you're already joined up, let me know your user name and I'll add you to see the tree :) :)
I can imagine the surname Phillips is a bit of an annoying line to research, almost as bad as Smith or Jones ;D
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Hello Rachel,Havnt been on for a while.John Buzzards wife is Kitty (Catherine) Williams.born Cowley,Oxfordshire.1778.Baptised as Kitty.She had at least 2 sisters.
Have also found out that Ann Coldrick/Couldrick who became Ann Buzzard died in child birth,The baby lived for a further 8 months.
Also John and Catherine had at least 4 other children,it looks like they all died at a very young age.
Hope you are well,Lawrence Phillips,London,