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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Katielw on Sunday 26 June 11 17:32 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find the birth/baptism/christening for my Great Great Grandpa George Baggaley (sometimes it is spelt Baggerley). I believe he was born approx. 1854/1855 as he is aged 7 in the 1861 census. He was born in Longton. His parents were John Baggaley and Emily nee Drakeford. George subsequently married Mary Wright. Any help greatly appreciated!
Many thanks
K
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This seems to be the closest birth registration:
Births Sep 1853
BAGGULLEY George
Stoke T 6b 161
(If George was born between July-Sept 1853, he would still be 7 in April 1861 when the census was taken.)
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Great, many thanks! I wonder whether that is my relative. It is quite hard to trace them as Baggaley seems to be spelt in so many different ways!
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Hi
Does anyone else have any information about George Baggaley who married Mary Wright on 27th Feb 1876 at St. James, Longton?
Many thanks
k
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His mother's maiden name was "Drakeford"? If your George disappears from the records around 1884, he emigrated to the USA (Trenton, NJ), married, and fathered a son, George Drakford Baggaley. George D. was my husband's grandfather. All I could find about George D's family was that his father was from England, and worked as a potter. George the elder died on Feb. 1, 1912, just outside of Trenton, NJ. If you think these are the same person I have some further information about him and his family from about 1895. If not, sorry to imply that your g-g-grandfather took off without telling anyone.
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Hi
Yes that's right, our George's parents were John Baggaley and Emily Drakeford. Thanks for the information, well it certainly does seem to fit. Our George Baggaley married Mary Wright on 27th Feb 1876 in Longton, they had two sons, George b1876 and Henry b1878. George senior is not listed in the 1881 census, as Mary is by herself with son Henry (Harry). Mary is again by herself in the 1891 and 1901 census, so George definitely disappears so I wonder if he did emigrate to the USA?! Any more information you have would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks
Kate
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Hi, Kate, it appears you and my daughter share a great-great-grandfather. Here's what I know:
1. He emigrated to the USA in 1884 and married Cornelia in 1885 (according to the 1910 US census).
2. He first appears in the 1895 New Jersey state census, living with Cornelia and a child I believe to be hers, but not his.
3. George appears in several Trenton, NJ city directories between 1895 and 1901, with addresses showing he, Cornelia's family, and later her daughter's family, either shared or were a few blocks apart.
4. He does not appear in the 1900 US census, but Cornelia does (living with her parents, although it's really her mother and step-father). Their son, George D. (Drakford) is living with his half-sister and her husband, in the same house the elder George lived in, according to a few of those city directories.
5. George died in February 1912. His obituary names a brother-in-law (Albert Naylor) and gives the man's address for visitation. I found Albert in the 1910 census living a few houses away from the one in the obit, also living with his 35 year old wife who emigrated from England in 1895. So I looked him up in the 1900 US census and found...
6. in 1900, living with the Naylors, was his 63 year old widowed mother-in-law from England, "Emma" Baggaley.
So it looks like Emily had another child, Elizabeth, in around 1875, and at some point also emigrated to the US (the 1900 census doesn't ask when, and I haven't found her in the 1910 one).
Hope this answers some of your questions. For more about the down generations, feel free to e-mail me at (*)
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
Wonderful thank you so much for the additional information, how kind of you! I am writing it all down to add to the family tree!! Your e-mail address has been blocked but thanks again for everything!!
Kate
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Hi, Kate,
You're most welcome, and thank you very much for your information. I really didn't think I was going to be able to trace that part of the family back at all.
I coudn't find anything further on Emily, do you know if she may have returned to England? I've been attempting to search for her (or Elizabeth or Albert Naylor) in the local newspaper, but it's very slow going, as the search capability is limited. But, that is how I stumbled across George's American wife and everything connected through her. I'll let you know if I find anything further.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon. I have found Emily Baggaley in the 1881 England census living with her children, one of them being Elizabeth b 1875 so that fits in exactly with what you were saying about Albert's wife. No I have looked for a death for Emily in England but can't seem to find anything so I am presuming she may have died in the USA? Thanks again for all your searching too!
Kate
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Hi, Kate,
Now that we're certain that we're talking about the same George Baggaley, can I make sure I have the right info for HIS parents?
I have this from the 1871 census:
John: age 36, born Fenton
Emily: 34, b. Hanley
George: 16, b. Longton
Sarah: 13. b. Longton
Albert: 7, b. Longton
Emily: 5, b. East Vale
and this from 1861:
John Baggaley ("Baggerly"): 25, born Hanley
Emma Baggaley: 24; born Hanley
George Baggaley: 7; Longton
Sarah Baggaley: 3; Longton
Mary Baggaley 2 months; Longton
Joseph Drakeford: age 55. born Hanley
Maria Drakeford: 53, born Fenton
Joseph Drakeford: 12, born Hanley
Georgeana Drakeford: 8, born Hanley
Looks like mom and dad were living with mom's parents.
But it gets fuzzy for me here in the 1851 census:
George Baggaly: 56; born in Lane Delph
Isabella Baggaly: 30; born in Longton
John Baggaly: 17; born in Longton
William Baggaly: 15; born in Longton
Levi Baggaly: 7; born in Longton
James Baggaly: 4; born in Longton
Martha Baggaly: 2; born in Longton
Is this the right John Baggaley, and if so, are he and William George's sons by a different mother? Isabella seems a bit young for them. And is Longton anywhere near Fenton, or is it likely that someone just rushed through the census and listed all the children as being from the same locale?
Thanks for helping with this.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon
Great to hear from you again. Yes, the 1871 and 1861 are our family. Joseph Drakeford and Maria (maiden name Thomas) had the following children:
Emily b1837
Tamar b1838
Maria b1841
Priscilla b1845
Joseph Thomas b1849
Georgiana b1851
I am unsure as to whether that is our John in the 1851 census - the towns of Fenton, Hanley and Longton were close to each other (they now form part of Stoke-on-Trent which has a whole area of about 30 miles). I agree that Isabella is not the mother of John or William Baggaly. I have found the marriage for George and Isabella which was 1842, so the 3 younger children, Levi, James and Martha are their children and I am guessing that George lost his first wife (mother to John and William). I will have another look and see if I can find anything else!!
Kate
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Hi
I think this is your family in 1841:
BAGGERLEY, George M 44 1797 Staffordshire
BAGGERLEY, George M 14 1827 Staffordshire
BAGGERLEY, John M 3 1838 Staffordshire
BAGGERLEY, William M 4 1837 Staffordshire
CHILTON, Isabella F 20 1821 Staffordshire
Piece:
991 Book/Folio:
1/35 Page:
16 Registration District:
Stoke upon Trent
Civil Parish:
Stoke upon Trent Municipal Borough:
Stoke upon Trent Address:
Caroline Street Upper Cross, Stoke Upon Trent, Lane End County:
Staffordshire
I have Baggaleys in my family too, although they were around the Stoke area, so I've been taking an interest in your thread. Can't see any connections yet unfortunately!
Liz
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Hi Liz
Thanks so much for your message! Funnily enough I found that family in the 1841 census and was wondering whether they may be part of my family!! I'm glad to hear that you agree! Great to hear that you have Baggaley's in your family too. I am finding so many different spellings of Baggaley, its a bit hard to keep track of which are actually members of my family, but they do seem to be focused around the Longton area of Stoke-on-Trent!
Thanks again!
Kate