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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: peeem on Friday 24 June 11 18:02 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where Richardson Terrace was in Blyth? I have just found out my grandfather was living there in 1916 and I'd love to know which part of the town it was in.
Many thanks.
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On 1911 Census Richardson Tce was at Cowpen Estate,.
Kitty Brewster road is the area, as is the Kings Arms , and the Percy Arms and The Forresters. Don't know if it is still there today. Names mentioned living there are Agnew . Andrews. Bell. Craigs. Elliott. Jackson. Ord.Snowdon. Watts.
Dolly x
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Spot on Dolly.
Richardson Terrace ( at one time numbers 1-13) was in Cowpen Village.
On 1901 census (page ref 4813-181-35, 36, 182-37) it gets enumerated close to Tweedy Street, and back Tweedy Street.
Modern day Cowpen Road which runs up from Blyth through North Farm, Cowpen Newtown, Cowpen Village, Kitty Brewster, was once made up of several differently named chunks. Not sure about this but I think the bit of Cowpen Road , at Cowpen Village, that slopes down to the little shop, and is opposite the chip shop (if still there ) might have been called Richardson Terrace.
Michael
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Thank you both very much. That's great.
Now that you mention it, it has stirred a very dim and distant memory of my father telling me, as he took me for one of our many long walks that he lived around there for a short while.
I think you are correct Michael when you mention the part leading to the shop. I don't know why but I think that is where we were when he told me.
The chip shop is I believe a chinese takeaway now.
None of those names belong to my family Dolly but as they lived in Bebside before this date I assume they moved in after 1911.
Brilliant from both of you. Many thanks.
As an aside, I have heard mention of Cowpen Newtown before and judging from your answer Michael I would take a guess that this is where John street is today?
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peem,
You will see the east part of Cowpen Newtown just creeping onto the left hand side of 1897 Ordnance Survey map @
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006192FS.htm.
I think the streets were John St and Beecher St, front and back, and a wee bit of Cowpen Road. I went to 3 class-roomed RC primary school which was opposite the RC St Cuthbert's. The school was deemed to be at the Newtown. At the Newtown there was one shop. Old Mrs Murray sold a wide range of things- including one fag/one match for a penny !
Michael
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Fascinating, thank you Michael. I could look at old maps like that for hours.
I was born and brought up in Blyth, lived there for more years than I care to admit. Now I am back and I'm still learning about the place. Like Ridley Place in the bottom right. Looks like the Gwentland Hotel, now the Ridley arms.
Yes I remember all the old shops where one could buy single ciggies. My dad used to send me to our corner shop for five Woodbine, if they didn't have a five pack she would split a ten pack and put the loose five in a sweetie bag for me. Happy days.
Thanks again for the info and the smashing map.
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Mmm...... interesting, though a little more clarification is needed as there is a half mile difference between Tweedy Street and John Street.
At the top of Taylor Street, where I was brought up, there used to be (before my time) a terrace called Dixon's Terrace which the King's Arms was part of. What was on the opposite side of the road to Dixon's Terrace before the maisonettes were built and the road improvements took place in the mid 60s? I understand that there were some wartime prefabs, but they were demolished probably before I was born.
Also growing up on Taylor Street, part of the terrace opposite us (at no. 30) was demolished pre 1965 and the other side of Tweedy Street I believe was taken out at about the same time. Any ideas as to why? I used to play on what was the waste ground left over by the clearance work. Hardly a slum though. The little streets were a great place to grow up with the fields and river so close by. Much fun and adventure was had. The 'Indians' in the bushes got a thrashing by us 'cowboys' many times until we got CHIPS on the TV which of course led to us whizzing around the place on our Chicago HIghway Patrol motorcycles keeping law and order in a most uncouth and antisocial manner.
Philip
Dixon's Terrace attached.
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I can't resist doing this. The modern day view on G**gle E*rth
Philip
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There is already a Blyth reminiscences thread here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,488089.0.html
Please do not add any further memories to this one. Can't have you taking over the board!
Andrea
PS Is google earth copyright??
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No intention of taking over with memories. My question regards the location of Richardsons Terrace in relation to Tweedy Street and John Street. The locations are half a mile apart. I also wonder what was on the opposite side of Cowpen Rd at this location (Dixon's Terrace).
And for Peeem, I am hoping to purchase a collection of maps and this location is included, so I hope I might be able to add further info later.
Philip
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At the Newtown there was one shop. Old Mrs Murray sold a wide range of things- including one fag/one match for a penny !
I was born in Beecher Street - down the bottom end, demolished in the early 1970s. I remember Murray's shop, although later we called it Lily's. The shop was the front room of the house, and there were jars of sweets all along the counter (liquorice torpedos, jap desserts, those monkey nut sweets etc), and there were several chewing gum machines on the wall outside. I believe the shop was owned by Charlie Robertson, of Charlie's shops on Cowpen Estate, and he lived there.
However, Murray's was not the only shop in Cowpen Newtown. At the very top of Beecher Street was Mrs Air's, which was a general dealer's and off licence. The shop window, where I stood drooling over chocolates on display, has long since been bricked up and pebbledashed. The door was right under the blue and white Beecher Street sign which is still there today. I trudged up that street many a time on errands, often to buy cigarettes for my mam or the neighbours in those age-restriction free days.
Mrs Air's was closer than Murray's, and because of this, the latter was known as the top shop.
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No intention of taking over with memories. My question regards the location of Richardsons Terrace in relation to Tweedy Street and John Street. The locations are half a mile apart. I also wonder what was on the opposite side of Cowpen Rd at this location (Dixon's Terrace).
And for Peeem, I am hoping to purchase a collection of maps and this location is included, so I hope I might be able to add further info later.
Philip
Get ready to squint PYFB, it's just readable if you get a millimetre away from the screen and borrow Deirdre Rasheeds glasses.
Suppose what interests me on here is the group of houses at Kitty Brewster (Richardson Ter is where my Gt-Gt grandparents lived first before New Town), and the small Mth Chapel in the middle of nowhere...
[EDIT] Eveen Better View of Tweedy, Taylor & Dixon, 1922-23
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This just caught my eye, and then I notice blythian inviting me to squint at the maps of Cowpen. :)Well done for publishing the maps.
I remember Mrs. Air's shop, and I think she also had a daughter who helped in the shop. Off licence - Yes, went there some New Year's Eves, to buy Newcastle Amber Beer for Dad. Probably about a dozen bottles or so. Under age by about 4 yrs, but still sold to me, placed in a bag and carried home. Us kids must have been trustworthy in those days.
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Just had a good look at the maps, and I see that there was a Methodist Chapel situated down the lane which runs between the King's Arms, and the garage (originally Co-op, etc.)
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Since we're talking about Tweedy St and surround's, I'm often walking up Patterrdale and the cut through Ribblesdale to get to work, i've noticed at the back of South Bebside Care Home and along the edge of Ribblesdale (toward the Windmill) there are two walls signifigantly older than anything else around them, could these be remnant's of the old Hall garden's and orchards?
Are there any other hint's of the Hall's past in the area (Apart from Cowpen Hall Road, lol)?
I was sorting out my partner's mother's garden at the top end of Weardale (tynedale dr side) and there was "a helluvalot" of large sandstone masonry in the garden, possibly part of the hall out buildings or something else?
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iI don't know the estate you're talking about, is it fairly new?
My Mum was in Malvins Close House for a few years up to 2002, which was in the area, and I think that has been demolished now. It's a shame, because it was a lovely stone building. I heard originally it was built for the manager of one of the pits.
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Yes Blythian, the walls you are seeing are the last vestiges of the boundary wall to Cowpen Hall's gardens. I am surprised they have survived into the 21 Century. The lower parts of the front wall along the main road still stand.
Such a shame that yet another of Blyth's significant old buildings has been a total loss.
The picture is of the Hall just prior to demolition. :'(
P
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Excellent photo. I remember exploring Cowpen Estate when I moved there from Cowpen Newtown, and I came across Cowpen Hall Road. I wondered where the hall was. There was an old wall on Patterdale with an opening that gave access to Cowpen Club - I assume this was part of the old hall's boundary.
Shame they demolished it - Cowpen could have had its own Wetherspoon's ;)
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On 1911 Census Richardson Tce was at Cowpen Estate,.
Kitty Brewster road is the area, as is the Kings Arms , and the Percy Arms and The Forresters. Don't know if it is still there today. Names mentioned living there are Agnew . Andrews. Bell. Craigs. Elliott. Jackson. Ord.Snowdon. Watts.
Dolly x
The Forresters is now Kitty Brewster Hotel and is still there, The Percy Arms I think you mean the Sidney Arms Now Demolished the kings is still there Eddie
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Pubs.....
The Percy Arms lay midway on the block, between the Foresters Arms on the west end and a little general store on the east end of the block. Two pubs about 10 yards apart!
( To see the two pubs in close proximity see 1881 censuses, pages 5092-99-23, 5092-99-24.
The Sidney Arms, Kings Arms and Windmill Inn are on earlier pages)
Streets.....
Richardson Terrace was at Cowpen Village, not at Cowpen Estate.
Sandstone Masonry........
Today a small terrace of bungalows occupies a rectangle ( three sides formed by Tynedale Drive , Cowpen Road and Weardale Avenue) Up to about 1960s, a "grand" building with large garden,
occupied the site. I think the house was called The Grove and although about half a mile from Cowpen Hall grounds, was connected to the Sidney family. The fronts of today's bungalows would have marked the west end of the Grove's garden.
Michael
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Well remember Mrs Airs shop. Prior to that it was Harpers which I suspect was the fore runner of Arkrights on Open All Hours, Mrs Airs daughter was Eileen. I was born on Beecher St no29 . The cry used to go around the Newtown Billy Harpers got bananas in and all the women my mother included used to dash up to the shop pinnys folded up ration books clutched in hand for this tropical treasure.
The Newtown consisted of Beecher St John St and a little one down towards the allotments where my Grandad had his allotment which I can never remember the name of Any ideas?
The Newtown was full of characters Mitchy Gillon who lived above us with his two brothers London Mary Dublin Biddy, I recall there house going on fire . AT the entrance to Cowpen Hall was a small lodge cottage where a family called ARrmytage lived anyone remember that DR Fothergills Father Cunningham lord the memories come flooding back
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Talking of bananas I went to a birthday party of a friend in Blyth in the early 40s and her Mam had made banana sandwiches - mashed parsnips with banana flavouring :)