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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: cafferkey on Thursday 23 June 11 17:00 BST (UK)
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Looking for anything from anyone on this family name in that area, had a grand father called Martin, his father was John, in the 1901 census, martin and his dad (john) and Patrick (johns farther) who was in his 70's lived together in the same house with siblings, so wondered if anyone knew these and there descendants.
going further back, think patricks farther was john (shaun), but not sure
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I will need to look when I am back home but there is a connection in our family to Cafferkeys (not direct)
If I am correct either a sister of my Grandfather or Grandmother married a Cafferkey
I am finding this side difficult to piece together
I will reply again later
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Sent PM with details
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Thanks for message, any info is good, I know the place you are on about, not too far away, but there seems to be a few cafferkeys around that area.
Look forward to hearing from you
Martin
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My Cafferkeys are from Driney, Loughglynn:
Anne McDERMOTT m John CAFFERKEY 1891
Anne's sister Brigid married my great grand father Andrew MANNION of Clonkeen
Anne McDERMOTT-CAFFERKEY is listed on 1901 census with her parents and her three children
She is listed on 1911 census with her mother and again her three children
Her husband John is listed on both as living with his sister in the the same townland!!
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I hope I do not add to your confusion, but my Gtgdmother, Mary (1861-1927) I believe was a Cafferky. In her will are mentioned three witnesses, Patrick and John Cafferky,and Anthony Towey.In addition one of the beneficiaries was her neice Mary Cafferky, I can only assume to be John or Patricks Daughter.
If you visit askaboutireland.ie and search the Griffiths valuation, only entering Cafferky and Roscommon as search items you will source 11 results. seven of which are in Curraghsallagh the remainder are close to Loughglynn.
Visit the details option and record the position on the page number for all seven and then select the second map view option. After zooming in you will be able to see exactly where each family resided from the p.o.p. number and observe that they all lived within a stones throw of each other .
Selecting the satelite view option will allow you to superimpose the old map view onto the satelite view using the horizontal bar in the right top of the window.
All this said it would appear that they all share a common heritage,the only difference is the emergence of key as opposed to ky in certain surnames. The Lafferty family, 3 in Roscommon in the mid 1840s all in Curraghsallagh are I believe closely related, the break only being made with the Anglicanisation of Irish surnames.
If you ever get the opportunity to visit I am pretty sure you'll be falling over all th e Cafferkys in and around Lisacul. Of note there are two cemetries The new Kilrooan cemetry which dates from about 1958, and the old Kilrooan cemetry on the site of the old church which is a short walk from the new cemetry.
Good Luck in your hunt
Padraig McGreal
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Hello Cafferky',
Have dug a little deeper and the connection is a little closer than I thought . From the census record you have referred to, your Ggfather was married to a Maria who I now understand was a Mcgreal from Curraghsallagh,Lisacul. As the only McGreal's in the Townland are of my line it appears your Ggmother and my Ggfather were siblings.
I am aware that a number of Cafferky families were still in Curraghsallagh a few years ago, and possibly a letter to the parish priest at Christ The King Church ,Lisacul may prove fruitful.
On a sad note Martin had a sibling John who served in the Great War details can be viewed at http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3050662. His age varies slightly from that on the census as does the correct spelling of the name,but the John,Maria of Curraghsallagh are clearly identified.
Good Luck.
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hi there
I know my great grand mother was mary mcgreal, she died in the 1938, born 1849 as far as I know..i have her parents as peter mcgreal and Catherine Finnegan...
, so any help there would be good.
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my aunt still lives in lisacul, and has cousins who are mcgreals, her name is Nellie cafferkey...mary mcgreal, was my great grand mother, she died in 1938, born 1849 as far as I know..i have her parents as peter mcgreal and Catherine Finnegan...
Hello Cafferky',
Have dug a little deeper and the connection is a little closer than I thought . From the census record you have referred to, your Ggfather was married to a Maria who I now understand was a Mcgreal from Curraghsallagh,Lisacul. As the only McGreal's in the Townland are of my line it appears your Ggmother and my Ggfather were siblings.
I am aware that a number of Cafferky families were still in Curraghsallagh a few years ago, and possibly a letter to the parish priest at Christ The King Church ,Lisacul may prove fruitful.
On a sad note Martin had a sibling John who served in the Great War details can be viewed at http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3050662 (http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3050662). His age varies slightly from that on the census as does the correct spelling of the name,but the John,Maria of Curraghsallagh are clearly identified.
Good Luck.
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Hello Cafferkey,
From what I can see there are three Peter McGreal's in the Loughglynn/Lisacul area around 1850's.Two are in Driney and Cuiltyboe which are on the Loughglynn side and the member My Luck may have more info, and a Peter based in Currohopuile(Corracoggil) North which would have been centered on the area close to the current Christ the King Church, which is a few miles distance from Curraghsallagh.
The Curraghsallagh McGreal was Owen(Eugene) McGreal born around 1816. I must confess I have not exhausted searches for this line as my interests in the McGreal line have taken a broader examination of the McGreal/McGrail families at the expense of my own line.
From what I am aware from Docs is Mary Cafferkey married a Michael McGreal 26 Jan 1891 fathers are noted as Eugene McGreal and Mark Caffekey on the Church record and Owen McGreal and Martin Cafferkey on the Civil Document.Witnesses on both are Martin McGreal and Catherine Cafferkey.
Michael McGreal Died 22 Dec 1897 and Mary was left with four young sons. The sponsors on the baptisms are consistent as being Thomas Duffy,Eugene McGreal, Catherine Cafferky, Mary McGreal,and John Cafferky.
By 1911 two of the sons Michael and James had moved to England and were living with a James and /Bridget Cafferky a brother and sister, who were uncle and aunt to the young McGreal brothers. John a third brother appears in Manchester as a witness to his brother James marriage
in Feb 1920 to a Mary Blood.The Cafferky's ran a Grocers in North Manchester which James continues after their death. James appears to marry again on the death of Mary to his Sister in law Catherine.
The name Nellie or Winnie Cafferkey does ring a bell as she often played host to the families of Patrick McGreal and Catherine Dwyer the fourth brother who remained in Curraghsallagh,when they came home to Lisacul. If we are on the right track the surnames Rush, Kilheeney and Butler would be familiar to your aunt.
It is possible the Peter you refer to was a brother to Owen and part of a larger family unit originating from Curraghsallagh.
Your aunt may also know of the one remaining McGreal family in the Lisacul area which I believe is unconnected to those from Curraghsallagh.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Padraig McGreal
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Unfortunately I don't have more to add as my connection is by marriage I did not explore further
I was interested though to hear of Cafferkeys in Manchester as my grandfather's youngest brother and sister both with to the UK; one before 1911 one after. Andrew was in Manchester in 1911 and went on to serve and die in WW1; I always found it interesting that when my father went to the UK almost 30 years later he went to the exact same area and almost the same street to live; I know there are ties between communities but I had always hoped to find some family link that would help locate some of the missing relatives. Do you know where in Manchesters the Cafferkeys were located?
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Hello Colette,
From the UK 1911 Census the address would be 24 Garrett St, Oldham Road, Manchester. The same address is given on James marriage cert to Mary Blood in Feb 1920. I have not obtained death certs for James and Bridget Cafferky but from indexes of best matches 1912 for James and 1949 for Bridget look possible.
The McGreal from subsequent material appear to be associated with the Moston area of Manchester.
Pat
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My grand-uncle Andrew was at 1043 South Trafford Street with a family named LANE
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That would have been central Manchester Colette.
As for the initial query I've taken a longer look at it and having problems with the Peter McGreal and Catherine Finnegan.
I am also unsure of the Cafferky connection to Roscommon given what Martin has already detailed online.
John Cafferky married to a Mary McGreal was born to a Patrick Cafferky and Mary Gordon(Gordan) in Kilmovee. I was unable to find any baptismal details for John or his brother Patrick from the Kilmovee records. However I have found the baptismal details for Thomas and two sisters Bridget and Maria all of which indicate the townland of residence as Aghadiffin,Kilmovee,Mayo which are all post 1856 the birth of John which should help with townland of origin.
The proximity of Aghadiffin to Curraghsallagh should not exclude a family connection of the various Cafferkys in the two townlands but will be difficult to establish. From what I could see there were four Patrick Cafferkys in Aghadiffin married and having children at the same time which would indicate well established roots and extended families in the area.
As for Peter and Catherine , if you have a source for the marriage details that could help. Finnegan is not a name I have found common to Kilmovee or Lisacul. From my own links to the area my Grandmother was a Finnegan from Urluar an adjoining townland to Aghadiffin and she is buried in the old Monastery Cemetery though her connection is on my maternal line. It is possible the marriage would have possibly done in her parish ,
Pat.
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Thanks Pat
The Cafferkey connection had helped me locate my gggparents as Anne was living with them for both census; my aunt had told me of her Cafferkey cousins when I was a child and although I can't remember all the details the name stuck with me as usual - she always pronounced it with three distinct syllables of CAFF-ERR-KEY
I have so many stories from this side of the family that just don't add up!! There were people I was told we were related to and I just can't find the link or the records!!
modifed to add OR THE TIME!!
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Hi Colette,
There was certainly a concentration of Cafferkey families(various spellings) in Curraghsallagh and Aghadeffin and isolated births in townlands around Loughglynn and as far as Cloonamna in Kilmovee for the period 1850s to 1880s. The spelling would have depended on the ear of those registering the life events. I am convinced there is a connection to the Lafferty families of the area given the similarity in the written form of the name.
There was a School reunion publication in August 1997 for the Lisacul and Curraghsallagh schools and there are some references to some Cafferkey people contained therein. I anticipate with the Gathering there will be a number of other publications which may or not have additional info. I have the names of a number of contributors though no contact details to the 1997 doc which I can pm you . A letter to one of the local priests may enable contact if they are still around.
As for the Cafferkey under discussion, it appears a marriage in 1877 between John Cafferkey and Mary McGreal took place. John was indeed living in Curaghsallagh but Mary was not from Curraghsallagh but Feigh(Whitestown) Lisacul. From what I understand the last McGreals of this line in Lisacul Michael died in 1970 and his wife Elizabeth in 1971 . Their children Mary(aka Maureen) John,Joe, Margaret,and Paddy are all deceased and Theresa as far as I know is living in Sandymount,Dublin. (Details provided by a member of Maureen family)
Catherine Finnegan could possibly be the daughter of one of the Finnegans from Rusheens west,kilmovee.
signing off for some R & R
Pat
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Had a good look at my Cafferkeys
John and Anne married in 1891 and John's father was Cormac CAFFERKEY
CORMACK was born 1826 to James and Brigid FINAN Tibohine and bap. Aug 09 Loughglynn
and died Aug 1892 and is buried in Loughglynn; address given as Driney
He married Eleanor MADDEN in Ballaghadereen Parish (which could still be Loughglynn) on Feb 10 1850
John CAFFERKY was baptised Jun 16 1856 in Loughglynn and had at least three sisters
Mary 1851, Anne 1954 and Catherine 1856
Mary CAFFERKY married Francis CONNALLY of Cloontrask on Jun 12 1875 in Loughglynn
family on 1901 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Cloontrask/1664164/) and 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Cloontrask/763194/)
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Hello Colette,
There were certainly a number of Madden families on the Lisacul side of the fence.
Not wishing to be too specific a Madden family post 1911 have a place in Curraghsallagh and two brothers from this family have interests in Ballaghadereen one in construction and and the other was (is) a bank manager in town. A Madden was also on the commt for the School reunion.
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Madden has shown up as witnesses to marriages and baptisms in this branch as well so could well be connected
I will probably leave this line for a while, had hoped it may lead to more of, Anne McDERMOTT, my great grand aunt's siblings and relatives to find more there!
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Hello Colette,
There were certainly a number of Madden families on the Lisacul side of the fence.
Not wishing to be too specific a Madden family post 1911 have a place in Curraghsallagh and two brothers from this family have interests in Ballaghadereen one in construction and and the other was (is) a bank manager in town. A Madden was also on the commt for the School reunion.
Hi. New to this site and alerted by the mention of Madden in Currasallagh. May be able to offer information here
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My Madden connection is distant as:
Eleanor MADDEN (parents unknown) married Cormack CAFFERKEY on Feb 10 1865 in Loughglynn
She was the mother-in-law of my Great-grandmother's sister Ann McDERMOTT-CAFFERKEY
I have no other information on Eleanor
I located and kept this information while trying to expand my Grandfather's family
I was told many stories of his family but on researching cannot confirm them
Also located many family members that then disappeared again
I need time to get to the Archives and NLI of sort some of it out I think
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Hello Cafferkey and everyone else on this thread. I was researching my family and I found your forum here luckily! I want you to know that I am John, the Grandson of Anthony Cafferkey (1905-1991). He was the brother of John Cafferkey from Ballaghdereen Ireland. I am now in my mid 50s but when I was 16 Years old my cousin Daniel Cafferty and myself spent 6 months at the homestead of the Cafferkey's in Ballaghadereen. We worked in the hay fields and cut the turf in the bogs helping our Grandfather throughout the summer and autumn months that year. I haven't returned 'home' since that year although I remember it as if it were yesterday! Anthony Cafferkey came to the US at the age of 15 via Ellis Island. His older brother John did as well, but I believe it was several years later. Anthony was actually one of the very 1st founders of 'The Boston Meat Market' which still thrives today. He made his living teaching people how to cure pork correctly. Before that time many here in the US were dying from trichinosis because of poorly cured pork. He was on of 11 siblings (I believe) and he also returned home to Ballaghdereen every single year of his life to keep up his family home and farm until the year he died. The story goes, when he arrived in the US, Customs made the Cafferkeys change their name to Cafferty, hence the name change. I absolutely LOVE Ballaghdereen and I will definitely be making it back to my heritage homeland hopefully sooner rather than later. I remember there was a young family with several children who lived across the street from their 2 room home in Ballaghdereen. I believe their Sur name was Cunningham and one of their sons ( Michael) was the age of Daniel and myself. There was a single phone booth and a pub up the street. Such wonderful memories and when I read your posts I had to register and share this info. * Blessings to you all~!
ps: Anthony Cafferkey married Ellen Coleman from Cork. They met on the ship coming over to Ellis Island :)
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Welcome Cafferkeys_G_son,
I take it your people were from Lissydaley, Lisacul. Cunninghams had until recently the post office and general store , where the phone box was once located. The Pub which I still remember from the late 60's as poorly lit, a dark brown interior with impenetrable mirrors on the wall, or it could all be due to the decades of tobacco consumption. Creatons who had the place did a couple of refurbs and is now passable.
You should, if you haven't already done so, visit google maps for the area as it is now on street view. You still have the 40 shades of green though many of the houses you will be familiar with have gone.
Padraig.
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Hello Padraig,
I want to thank you very much for this information! I knew the area but after 38 years I couldn't remember the exact location where the Cunningham General Store was located. My family sold the Cafferkey property to the Cunningham's back in 1993. I traveled through the area on Google Maps and found the Cunningham homestead/General store. And yes, the old phone box is now gone, but the older telephone pole still stands where the box was located! I remember their home extremely well and it looks like they may have re-sold the Cafferkey property across the street because now there is a much larger home. Either that or maybe they built the home themselves. You wouldn't happen to know if the Cunninghams are still in that area, would you? My Cousin Daniel will be ecstatic to see the photos I Prnt/Screened from Google Maps.
ps: as far as the pub goes, our Grandfather didn't want my cousin and myself to go in there. I'm guessing he didn't want Daniel and I having a few pints and leaving a lasting impression on the area LOL But we did get to tour the Homeland for the next 6 months on our own without Grandfather and as you can imagine, there were many a pub we visited. I just loved the old laid back lifestyle and looking at the Google images, it still looks very rural and yes the 40+ shades of Green are simply breath-taking!
* Again, I Thank you VERY kindly my friend!,
John
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Hello again,
I am pretty sure the PO/Store was still on the market earlier this year and it is likely the land was sold off 4/5 years ago when land prices were at their peak. My feelings are the Cunninghams may have left when the land was sold. You may wish to establish contact with the priest at Christ The King Catholic Church in Lisacul, Co. Roscommon who no doubt could throw more light on the matter.
There is also a Facebook page - Lisacul Gathering Roscommon 26th - 28th July - which you may also find of some use.
PM
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Hi again,
Just checked planning application info for Cunningham/Lissydaly - application for a rebuild of what may be your families old place made January 2004, which slightly changes the timeline.
The Post Office/Store has not been sold but taken off the market and let out, so possibly tenants/estate agents for the property would be another avenue to look at.
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My mother Elizabeth Agnes O'Connor Burke was one of nine children born to John O'Connor (1872-1952) and Catherine Cafferkey (1885=1975) in Lisacul. All nine are now deceased, the last, Rita Dolan of Lisacul passing in 2011. (Rita still has family living in Lisacul.)
From a family tree provided by my late mother, I know the following:
Catherine Cafferkey was one of five children of John Cafferkey (1834-?) and Mary McGreal (1835-?). The five were Michael, John (killed in WWI), Martin, Mary Ann and Catherine (my grandmother).
Michael married Mary Brennan and they had John and James.
Martin married Kate Moran and they had ***
I am pleased to know that the Cafferkey line is still strong.
John
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Hello John ,
Believe these are yours
Church Marriage McGreal Mary 1877 m Cafferky John 1877 LOUGHGLYNN Co. Roscommon
Civil Marriage McGreal Mary 1878 m Cafferky John Ballaghadreen CP Co Roscommon
Name: John Cafferky Mary McGreal
Address: Curraghsallagh Whitestown
Father Patrick Cafferky Peter McGreal
Mother Honor Gordon Catherine Finnegan
Witness Andrew McCann Eleanor McGreal
Briarfield tends to be written out of most of the townland records for the area but those familiar with the area still recognize its existence despite it being lumped in with Curraghsallagh.
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What a pleasant surprise. Your very prompt response has filled in many details of the Cafferkey side of my family tree.
Thank you.
John Martin Burke
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Dear Cafferkey,
It is exciting to know that we are related. My grandmother Catherine Cafferkey O'Connor was the daughter of John Cafferkey and Mary McGreal, and the sister of Martin ( and Michael and John and Mary Ann). My family records tell me that Martin married Kate Moran and that they had at least three children ( Mary Ann, John and Nellie). My family and I visited Nellie at her home in Briarfield (Lisacul) some years ago. When we got to her house, she opened the door and I made the mistake of saying, "Mrs. Cafferkey ?" She bristled a bit and corrected me by saying that she was, "MISS Cafferkey". But she invited us in and immediately offered us a "taste" of Irish hospitality. Nellie and my mother (Elizabeth) had always been very close, so Neliie was very happy to meet me and my wife and children. We exchanged Christmas cards and letters for several years afterwards, but then her letters stopped. I feared that she had passed on. But a recent visit from some additional Irish family assured me that she was still alive and well and in a nursing home.
I live in Des Plaines, Illinois, and I hope that we get a chance to meet some day.
John Burke
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Hi There
My dad is micheal, son of martin and Catherine, I was over earlier this year, and saw my aunt Nellie, she is in a home in ballaghdereen at the mo, she had a fall last year and broke her hip.
If you go to the ancestry web site and search cafferkey/cafferty, you will find the tree I have put together on the cafferkeys, , my dad changed our name in the 60's to cafferty in the uk...but most of my uncles and aunt Nellie are still cafferkeys...
this year, I was over in Belgium, and found the grave of your grand mothers brother, @ ypres, he died in the great war,
martin had 7 children in all, my dad being one, and Nellie, we live in Birmingham uk, hope to hear fromyou, sorry about delay getting back, lost loggin details and been away with work...
Martin Cafferty
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Martin,
I received your message of 14 November re. your visit with Nellie and your visit to the grave in Ypres. I replied immediately, but now I can find no record of my message to you. Did you receive that message in which I commented on Nellie and John and your family tree?
John Martin Burke
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Cunninghams built the house across the road where Anthony's old house was.