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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: LoesLamb on Thursday 23 June 11 14:41 BST (UK)
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John Collins in Salford
He couldn't write his name when he married, so either he tried this himself, or dictated it to whoever filled in the form. The handwriting on the rest of the form is reasonably regular, a bit like the "Irelan".
At the time it has been read as Kilrea, the code is for Londonderry.
It is strange, because I heard from one grandson and two gt grandsons, who never have been in contact with each other, that John came from Co Cork. One thought from around Boherhue (sp?), another one from Cobh.
So, if it was Co Cork, is there any place that might sound the way this was written?
Loes
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There is a civil parish called Kilroe in the Kanturk area.
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Hi ,
Looking at it I think it could possibly be Kildorrery in North Cork. The end sounds like re ry and the start looks like an l and a d could have been written over.
Hope I am not putting you on the wrong track. The records for Kildorrery are not on line on the irish genealogy site. However as far as I know the Mallow Heritage centre do hold records for this area. They charge €5 for each record which can sometimes work out expensive. If you are not too sure of the date you might need to look at a few. If you don't have much to go on even getting the records won't confirm if you have the right person.
Good luck with it.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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county Derry
barony Loughinsholin
civil parish Kilrea
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Thanks!
I like the Kildorrery. Because Kilrea was so unlikely I got as far as something like Kidrary.
The Mallow Heritage website itself isn't very informative, broken links etc. When accessing it through IHFH I see Kildorrery RC is listed. There are records there between 1857 and 1863 (15 Murphy's) but no Collins.
Kilroe not listed, Kanturk is, and I can see Killeagh ... the search goes on
Loes
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"The code is for Londonderry"...............?? So why do you look in Cork?
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"The code is for Londonderry"...............?? So why do you look in Cork?
The code is a clerk's interpretation of what he read. As I explained in my original post, according to descendants he came from Co Cork. As a young boy my husband had heard from his grandmother, a daughter of John, "the family came from Cobh". It could have meant he/they sailed from Cobh. With three sources saying it was Co Cork it's worthwhile to have another look at places there ...
Loes
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Boherbui Co Cork
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"The code is for Londonderry"...............?? So why do you look in Cork?
The code is a clerk's interpretation of what he read. As I explained in my original post, according to descendants he came from Co Cork. As a young boy my husband had heard from his grandmother, a daughter of John, "the family came from Cobh". It could have meant he/they sailed from Cobh. With three sources saying it was Co Cork it's worthwhile to have another look at places there ...
Loes
What clerk? When? Where? Haven't a clue what you are on about.
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The clerk dealing with the England Census forms in 1911. Adding the numerical codes for occupation and birth place for statistical purposes.
636 Londonderry Resident
Loes
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Could it be Kildarra a townland in Bandon PLU -it is between Cobh and Bandon?
annclare
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Did you have a look at the web site www.logainm.ie it is a brilliant site for townlands and place names in Ireland with lots more useful information.
If you go into it go into Cork and you can choose the townlands, more than 5000 of them or baronies, electoral divisions, parishes.
It is a great resource. You might have some luck in discovering the right name place.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Could it be Kildarra a townland in Bandon PLU -it is between Cobh and Bandon?
annclare
I found the exact words from my second source (English, so forgive him).
"I beleive that they came from the town of Brotherhue just near Cork (Cobh in the Irish gaelic)as there is suggestions that Daniel (Johns father) came from there, but I'm not certain of this."
Did you have a look at the web site www.logainm.ie it is a brilliant site for townlands and place names in Ireland with lots more useful information.
If you go into it go into Cork and you can choose the townlands, more than 5000 of them or baronies, electoral divisions, parishes.
It is a great resource. You might have some luck in discovering the right name place.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
Wow! That's brilliant indeed. With the Gaelic names too ... first one that stared me in the eye: Cill Rois. That site will keep me busy for a while, thanks!
I can just hear them at the kitchen table in 1911 ... "Dad, how do I write that? Just say it again!"
Loes
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That's good.
Just keep in mind Boherbue is not near Cobh. Cobh was the port ( formerly known as Queenstown) that most Irish people emigrated from to go to England or US.
Sometimes because people left from Cobh it was assumed that they came from there.
Boherbue is North West Cork and Cobh is South East Cork by the coast. They are
probably 45 or 50 miles apart.
It is frustrating when you can't find the exact parish or townland that ancestors came from!!!
Enjoy browsing.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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I knew from the start the Boherbue and Cobh in one sentence is very odd. Boherbue sounds so specific, on the other hand, Cobh confirmed what my husband was so sure of.
It's not easy to find living descendants with a name like that. The gt grandchildren I met seem to know nothing more than just the name of their own grandparents. But I got a new lead, a granddaughter who had a small tree on ancestry in 2007. Now it's a matter of finding her ...
Thanks to all for the suggestions, maybe even the "ignorants" will remember if I throw some names at them.
Loes
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If you showed more of the actual form, you might get more suggestions. If it is a census form you would have some kind of place name to start from and you might be able to work out the writing from other writing on the page.
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Well if it helps ... Hope it's not to big.
I've been in touch with another member of the family, a granddaughter, born long after his death. She said "I think he came from Cork".
Loes
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I have new information.
A grandson of John Collins, born in 1929. Abt 1931 his parents took him to Ireland. They stayed on a farm in (county?) Cork with an uncle (a brother of John) and two sons.
He thinks the family had been uprooted because of the troubles, and didn't originally come from there. It could be possible they came from the North and moved South before or after Ireland was divided. A pity he has no names.
John himself or sons of his had been involved in, or at least strong supporters of the Sinn Fein movement in Manchester. John himself had died before 1919.
So John's place of birth might have been Kilrea after all.
And it could have been his children telling their children about family in the Cork area that caused the confusion.
Loes