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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: rach87 on Wednesday 22 June 11 21:44 BST (UK)
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Hello guys!
I have just found a census return for one of my ancestors, her name is Christina/Chesdina (?) Lovet, her occupation is widower's (?) please could someone help me figure out what the second word is following widow. She is the 7th person from the bottom of the census form, living at number 4 River Row.
Thanks in advance
Rach
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I am sure the word is 'overman'
Chris.
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Hello Chris
Thank you for your quick reply, do you know what that occupation is exactly?
Thanks again Rach :)
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I think her husband was an overman - a colliery supervisor, as is John Miles at the same address. The word has been abbreviated so that the line reads: 'overm's widow'
This site is useful for occupation information:
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html
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Overman's widow it is.
Here are some definitions at different dates:
Overman 1825: one who inspects the state of the mine every morning before the men go to work. He also keeps a daily account of the men's labour.
1849: The person who, beneath the viewer, has the charge of the workings of a colliery where there is no under-viewer. He sets the pit to work each morning, and attends to all the detail of arranging the work, and getting the coals each man works to the shaft bottom. It is also his duty to see that each working place is properly ventilated and in a safe state. He also keeps a daily account of the work wrought, and of the whole of the underground expenses and wages, and gives the colliery office a fortnightly account of the same, the bill containing the amount earned by each man, or set of men if in partnership, and boy during that time. There is one overman to a pit, so that if there are two or three pits at a colliery, there are two or three overmen. An overman is almost invariably a man who has passed through all the graduations of pit work, from the trapper upwards, and who has been raised to his situation on account of his ability and steadiness. His wages in 1849 were 26s. to 28s. per week, with house, garden, and coals gratis.
1892: The duties of the overman consist in visiting the workings every morning, receiving the reports from the deputies, making observations on the air currents, and general management of the underground work. To his office is sent an account of all the work done in the pit, and on the Wednesday before the "pay" he "reckons" with the men - i.e., he compares the account received of their work with that kept by themselves.
1894: Underground foreman subordinate to the manager
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Wow that is really interesting! Thanks everyone for you help I really appreciate it, it makes an exiting change that one of my ancestors supervised as opposed to mined for once. I wonder how he got to that position..
Kind regards
Rach :-)
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Hi,
I just joined this site because whilst browsing my family I came across your post.
All the persons at No 4 River Row in your post are in my Family Tree.
Would you like to try and see if this is Correct ?
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Dear briwales! It would be a big help if you could help me with this, I'm not 100% sure if I'm on the right track. I googled the name Keziah Evans (b.1874 Treherbert, married a David Richards), I found a family tree with her name in it on a website and these where the decendants. I need to make sure it is the Keziah I have been told about, she had my grandmother Eunice and amongst her other children a son called Evan, I mention him because it is a name strongly featured in the tree I found. I'm not sure where to begin. From what I have seen it possibly works this way; Richard Lovets daughter Anne Lovet had a son called Evan Evans and Evan Evans was Keziah Evans father. Name, date of birth and location of birth all match what my family told me about Keziah. Any help would be very much appreciated, kind regards Rachel Williams.
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Hi Rachel,
Not sure I can help there Here goes, I have Chesdinah Lovet b 1787 Penclawdd Glamorgan.
Her Daughter Mary Lovet b.1816 married to John Miles b.1821
married in 1840.
Had 2 Children Celia Miles 1855
Elizabeth Miles 1856
how we doing so far ?
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Mary lover must be Ann Lovets sister. Do you know I'd they where a family from overseas originally? I ask this because I have discovered from online sources that Christina/Chestina/Justina and Jemima have all been written down fo her name, I'm wondering if there is a language barrier, and any other information on the family, such as the fact that the men where Overviewers as opposed to miners? Rach
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Hello :)
Welcome to Rootschat briwales!
Marriage of John Miles and Mary Lovet in 1849
Merthyr T volume 26 page 708
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hi Rachel.
Well I have the same spelling down a few times as my G/mothers mother in law was a Chesdinah Williams b 2 Mar 1877. She named one of her daughters Chessie b. 1908.
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That's really nice! Do you know anything about the Miles or Lovetes. Google Cathmudford Richard Lovet any you will find the family tree I discovered. Rach
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Sorry about the spelling errors! My iPhone has a mind of it's own!
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morganllan Thanks :)
I have a Thomas Miles married Elizabeth Jenkins 21 Apr 1810 at Merthyr they are John Miles parents.
That is as far back as I can go.
Forward from there i can go to last week lol. Last birth in my family
I will check cathmugford.
Brian