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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: louisa b on Tuesday 21 June 11 12:11 BST (UK)
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Sarah HILL was a witness at 2 weddings in Tasmania
1. 19 Jan 1857 St Joseph's RC Launceston (bride Mary HILL, age 25,had arrived 1 Feb 1854 per 'Sir Alan McNab' age 18 NP Co Clare - yes discrepancy in age; groom James Bernard ATKINSON aka James BREE)
2. 9 April 1861 St Joseph's RC Launceston (bride Julia HILL age 25, arrived 27 Jan 1857 per 'Great Tasmania' on application of Mary HILL, NP Co Clare, with Anne HILL)
She is also said to be the godmother of Sarah CULLEN, daughter of Anne HILL, who was born in Launceston 7 July 1858 (this is on a tree on r*web; a very kind person looked at the baptism records in Hobart but was unable to locate this despite having looked at the correct reels)
I have looked at marriages and deaths for a Sarah Hill after 1861, marriages of ___HILL to Sarah ____before 1857, arrivals and so on, but nothing seems to make sense.
I had thought that she would be the sister of Mary, Julia and Anne, or possibly their mother or cousin? or even completely unrelated.... ???
I have also checked through all the births of the children of Mary Julia and Anne, but they were all registered by one or other parent.
just to summarise so people don't waste their time looking at things (but bearing in mind I may have dismissed something that I shouldn''t have!!)
marriages
HILL 1867 to Arnold Aneswearth - this is the 2nd mariage of Sarah HILL nee BALE
HILLS 1870 to William BAIN Lau. age 19 born ~1850 seems too young
HALL 1872 to John DONELLY full age, dealer's widow; Primitive Methodist
William HILL to Sarah SMITH 1852 United Church of ENg and Ireland
deaths
1864 age 64 born England
1869 age 76 born England
1869 age 26 farmers daughter - seems too young
any ideas on where to go from here greatly appreciated
oh yes, forgot to say, I don't know the parents of Mary, Julia and Anne or their village of origin in Clare- rcently got the 1911 death cert for Julia (O'Loughlin) and place of birth states Ireland..aarrgghh!! the only thing that I recently came across was that the will of Julia's husband Martin has Michael BREEN of Karoola(Tas) as one of the executors, and he was on the 'Great Tasmania' with his family and the HILL sisters - ??connection
regards
Lou
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It is possible she went to mainland Australia, but without any idea of herage and parent details it is going to be difficult
I see this marriage in Victoria
only one that leaps out as a possibility being from Ireland
HILL Sarah born Tipperary married John CHUGG born Devonshire in 1877 reg no 58
CHUGG Sarah died in 1919 aged 65 at Arm, Victoria reg no 58
father John Hill mother Fanny Ardle
please note the registration numbers are correct :D first time I have encountered such a coincidence
So that information would rule her out as she was only born in 1854c
Jenn
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Thanks for looking Jenn
that is a weird coincidence with the reg numbers!
perhaps I should have added that approx year of birth for
Mary 1830
Julia 1836
Anne 1837
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a very long shot, but could someone please give me any background on this woman who died in Victoria (of interest to me b/c I suspect that the mother of Mary, Julia and Anne may have been named Mary, because Julia and Mary both named their first daughter Mary)
Sarah RODDICK d. Mven 1891 age 80 # 16292
father Thos HILL
mother Mary ROBINSON
thanks again
Lou
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She is also said to be the godmother of Sarah CULLEN, daughter of Anne HILL, who was born in Launceston 7 July 1858 (this is on a tree on r*web; a very kind person looked at the baptism records in Hobart but was unable to locate this despite having looked at the correct reels)
Have had some luck finding this :)
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a very long shot, but could someone please give me any background on this woman who died in Victoria (of interest to me b/c I suspect that the mother of Mary, Julia and Anne may have been named Mary, because Julia and Mary both named their first daughter Mary)
Sarah RODDICK d. Mven 1891 age 80 # 16292
father Thos HILL
mother Mary ROBINSON
thanks again
Lou
Does this help in any way to clarify?
The Age 3rdOct1891 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/193403943 (several similar notices)
RODDICK. — On the 2nd October, at the residence of her son-in-law, Mr. T. Fraser, Wattte Tree-road, Malvern, Sarah, the beloved wife of Mr. James Roddick, in her 81st year.
Death and Funeral notice http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8660597
The Age 5thOct1891 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/193411058
RODDICK.— On the 2nd October, at Malvern, Victoria, Mrs. James Roddick, in her 81st year, the beloved mother of Mrs. Wm. Langmuir, Monowai, Williams-road, Hawkesburn, Victoria, and Mrs. Charles Musker, Timaru, New Zealand. New Zealand papers please copy.
Is this a daughter of the above Sarah?
The Age 30thDec1905 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199425134
RODDICK.—On the 29th December, at Malvern, Janet Armstrong, daughter of the late James and Sarah Roddick, aged 64 years.
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It is possible she went to mainland Australia, but without any idea of herage and parent details it is going to be difficult
I see this marriage in Victoria
only one that leaps out as a possibility being from Ireland
HILL Sarah born Tipperary married John CHUGG born Devonshire in 1877 reg no 58
CHUGG Sarah died in 1919 aged 65 at Arm, Victoria reg no 58
father John Hill mother Fanny Ardle
please note the registration numbers are correct :D first time I have encountered such a coincidence
So that information would rule her out as she was only born in 1854c
Jenn
Just adding the death notice on this Sarah CHUGG (nee Hill)
The Argus 25thJan1919 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1422838
CHUGG (nee Hill, late Port Fairy). —On the 23rd, January, at her residence, 2 Sargood street Toorak, Sarah, dearly beloved wife of John Chugg and loving mother of William, May, Annie and Agnes. Interred 24th inst. Our loved one sweetly resting.
Also http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/155224310
Bereavement Cards: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1426072
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Matthew - absolutely brilliant - you've done it again - thanks so much :D
cup - I did end up looking at Sarah Roddick at some point - she was born and married in Scotland; and I think that, if Sarah Hill, marriage witness and sponsor of Sarah Cullen was indeed the sister of Mary, Anne and Julia, then her father is Thomas (see other thread) - many thanks for your input
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a query - what is the word between the names Charles Cullen and Ann Hill on the baptism record??
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a query - what is the word between the names Charles Cullen and Ann Hill on the baptism record??
Olim - Latin meaning formerly so I think it would usually be before the mother's maiden name?
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yes that would make sense
if you have the time (and inclination) at some point, could you take a look at this marriage - Mary Ann Atkinson 9 May 1895, Hobart - one of the witnesses is listed as "Millis Hill"
trying to work out if/how she fits in to the family (Mary Ann is the daughter of Mary HILL)
cheers!!
Lou
edit to add http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=623699.0
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:)
Looks to me to be Millie Hill
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agreed :-\
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Hi Lou,
A Sarah Hill from Tasmania (born County Clare) was my great-grandmother. She met my great- grandfather in Tasmania. He arrived in Hobart in August 1855 on the Wilhelmsberg. He (they?)left for New Zealand in 1863 and he and Sarah Hill married on January 10 1864 in Invercargill NZ. She died in NZ in 1916. I have a copy of one of her son's diary when he visited Tasmania in which he mentions "an aunt" there. I wonder if this Sarah Hill is the person you are looking for?
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Hi Robyne
thanks for posting
that is looking quite promising!
do you have a copy of the marriage cert? then you could compare the signature with the one on the baptism record found by Mathew in reply #4 - there is a very distinctive capital 'H'
was the denomination RC?
regards
Lou
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Hi Lou,
It's been a while so hope you are still there. Sadly, I've been unable find any copies of Sarah HILL's actual signature so can't help there. Have you managed to uncover any further details since your last post about her? I can give you details of her spouse and children if that might help although you may have already accessed them. I do suspect our 2 Sarahs are one and the same as the dates seem to fit. Just wish we could find out more...
Best wishes,
Robyne
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Hi Robyne
thanks for getting in touch, yes I'm also certain - I'll send you a PM
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These two marriage records are images of the civil register. They were created by copying from the church register for St Josephs Launceston
HILL Mary marr. ATKINSON James Bernard 1857
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/RGD37-1-16/RGD37-1-16P293
HILL JuLia marr. O'LOUGHLAN 1861
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Record/NamesIndex/862210
The original church register of marriages, St Josephs Launceston, which will be at Tas archives, will have original signatures.
There will be no signatures for Mary HILL and Julia HILL. They do not sign.
Sarah HILL is literate, which might cause you to wonder if she is a sibling to Julia and Mary.
Is Ann HILL literate?.
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Hi Bronwyn and thank you for the marriage printouts - my Sarah was definitely a Catholic also.
I have found reference to her to-be husband's (Friedrich Reichel) departure from Tasmania in The Cornwall Chronicle 4/3/1863 Launceston Tasmanian Shipping News on the "Alma" departing for Invercargill, NZ the day before. She may well have accompanied him at that time and if you have found no trace of her in the Tasmanian records after early 1863 that might have been the case.
I'm continuing to trawl through the Tasmanian records to see if I can come up with anything else that might progress our knowledge. You have clearly been very diligent in your searches!
I have found a photograph of Sarah in a family group taken in 1915, the year before her death - she outlived Fred by many decades, living first in Southland, NZ and then in Wellington with her adult children when they also moved north.