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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Kennington on Friday 29 April 05 16:37 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone decipher Horace's occupation on his marriage certificate? ???
In censuses he is a coach maker and coach wheeler. He was living in St Pancras, London at the time.
Thanks
Mary :)
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Timber bender?
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Hi Gardener.
actually, it sounds feasible. perhaps he made mudguards ??
Mary
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There would be a lot of bent timber in a wheel or coach. I think it was done by heating and then bending. Must have been a skilled job but it looks a bit funny written down :)
Here's one from Bagshaw's 1846 Derby Directory:
Cholerton Harvey coach timber bender Albion St
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Hi
Do you think he would have been an apprentice to learn this ?
Mary
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Probably. Maybe as something more general first, I don't know to be honest. (see alteration above)
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Hi there,
What about a timber binder..........???
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??? It looks like ..... mender.
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HI It does look like Timber bender or binder when blown up. But could it be bander.
Bandings are plain or patterned strips of veneer used to create decorative borders in furniture making.
Flame
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A timber bender of the period would likely have been a shipwright. Remember, ships of the period were made of wood & the hull planks coming from the mill were straight. The planks had to be bent into position & secured.
J.A.M.
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A timber bender of the period would likely have been a shipwright. Remember, ships of the period were made of wood & the hull planks coming from the mill were straight. The planks had to be bent into position & secured.
J.A.M.
The one I quote above in derby was a coach timber bender - not many ships in derby ;)
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;D ;D
Not come accross this profession before - you learn something everyday here on Rootschat
;D ;D
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Just googled timber binder. Be careful some of them seem to be rude but I found this
http://www.sharonhist.org/Pastnewsletters/newswinter01.htm There was another site from an official source (Engineering or something)
A timber binder seems to be a piece of wood or metal which joins other pieces of timber so perhaps he put in the joining bits.
Sylviaann
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I think it's timber bender. There seems to be a definite dot above all the i's on the certificate.
There's an article about the science of bending timber to make coach wheel rims here.
http://www.carriagemuseumlibrary.org/wood_bending.htm
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Thanks kmo,
what a brilliant site for explaining carriage making. I'll make a copy to keep in my file on Horace.
;D ;D
Mary
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Could it be Printer Binder? As in someone who binds printed books?
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Kennington,
I'm a bit surprised, especially given his later occupations, that anyone would go for anything other than 'timber bender' - which it seems clearly to be!
You could always seek a clearer copy of the certificate just to make quite sure? My experience is that, if you have been provided with a poor quality certificate, the office will do its best to produce something quite legible.
Cheers,
JAP
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BENDER:
a person who cut leather
Alfred H Hawks 1857 Pancras Son St Pancras London
Harriet I K Hawks 1826 Thetford, Norfolk, England Head " "
Janes M Hawks 1869 Pancras Daughter " "
Mary A Hawks 1830 Stanstead, Essex, England Wife " "
Rosina I Hawks 1861 Pancras Daughter "
Walter R Hawks 1859 Pancras Son "
William F Hawks 1864 Pancras Son "
William Simmonds 1825 Newington, Surrey, England Lodger "
Edwin Wilkinson 1847 Shipdham, Norfolk, England Lodger "
1871 CENSUS
HARRIET IS HORACE
JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT GOT THIS
SYLVIA
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I'm with Tony. It looks like printer binder to me (which makes sense).
Ros
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Hi
thanks for all suggestions, in 1861 census he was a coach wheeler,
so I think i'll go for timber bender. seems to fit best.
Sylvia, - yes I had that entry. Harriet is one of my better misspells!
Mary
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I'm with Tony. It looks like printer binder to me (which makes sense).
Ros
Ros, I'm puzzled!
What sense? Why?
The words pretty clearly read as 'timber bender' rather than 'printer binder'(!) - if nothing else, look at the 'P' in Parish vis-a-vis the 'T' in Timber (not to mention the 'P' in St Pancras - though hard to decipher, it also is nothing like the 'T' in Timber).
More importantly, the chap's occupations in other censuses were (according to 'Kennington') a 'coach maker' and a 'coach wheeler'. Definitely a greater connexion to coaches and wheels than to books ; )
And 'Gardener' quoted an 1846 directory entry for an occupation of 'coach timber bender'.
A Google for 'timber bender' gets quite a few hits (including the one quoted by 'Gardener').
Yes, 'Kennington', I'm sure you are right to stick with the 'timber bender' ; )
JAP
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This looks very much to me like
TINKER MENDER
In other words someone who went round mending saucepans and buckets. That was in the days before the throw away society.
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This looks very much to me like
TINKER MENDER.
<snip>
Apart from everything mentioned previously on this thread (and apart from other comparisons of letters) just compare the 'M' in Mary with the 'B' in Bender. And then compare the 'B' in Bender with the 'B' in Bachelor!
JAP
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I'm with you on this one JAP,
It definately says TIMBER BENDER
Legs
xxxx
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OK JAP, fair comment, I obviously didn't study the other letters closely enough. Pitty there isn't a lower case 'b' somewhere to compare where I was suggesting a 'k'
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I give in...timber bender it is, now that I've seen the image blown up
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Hi,
For what it's worth I saw a programme on the telly where they were building a coach wheel in the original way and the took lengths of timbers and heated them with steam for some hours and then bent them into a circle to make the wheel over which an iron tread was fitted. So perhaps a timber bender was the person who did this??
Magrat