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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yogi on Saturday 18 June 11 01:59 BST (UK)
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I would like to find if it is possible to purchase Census CDs for the early 1900s. I am searching for a Frederick PEARSON living in the Richmond area of Melbourne. Thank you, Yogi.
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YOGI
Such a thing does not exist.
Many other resources do exist for the tracing of people in the times you mention.
Many here are in possession of such resources and, as well, you can explore the publically available record searches which are listed for Victoria at the top of this board.
If you care to post as much detail as you can re FREDERICK PEARSON, people will help your search.
What you have given is not sufficient I'm afraid. ;D
Sue
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Hi yogi,
I agreed with Sue, if you can give us some more info we will be only too
happy to see what we can find for you :D
There is this entry but no way of knowing if this is the Frederick Pearson
you are looking for.
Electoral Roll Victoria
1931
206 Lennox Street, Richmond
PEARSON Frederick - Labourer
PEARSON Eleanor May - Home duties
1936 and 1937
93 Wellington Street, Richmond
PEARSON Frederick - Labourer
PEARSON Eleanor May - Home duties
Raylen
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Hi,
Victorian Directory 1904 (Sands)
Melbourne Alphabetical.
Pearson, Fredk. D., 26 Lennox-st, Rd.
Pearson, Frederick J., 2 Avoca-st, S. Y.
Pearson, Frederick T. B., 21 Erln-st, Rd.
I think the Frederick J Pearson is Frederick Jackson Pearson because FJP appears in the 1884 directory as follows.
Pearson, Frederick Jackson, 63 Napier-st, S.M.
Pearson, Frederick J., draper, 164 Clarendon st, S. M.
Regards
Gerry
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Thank you for the replies, full name for the person I am researching is Frederick Leslie PEARSON. he lived in Richmond, Moonee Ponds and Essendon. He was in WW1 and returned to live in Moonee Ponds. Thank you Yogi.
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Have you viewed his WW1 Service document which is digitised and available for viewing online at:
www.naa.gov.au?
Leanne
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So, YOGI,
What is it you would like to know about FREDERICK.
Are there aspects of his life you have not found, or do you just want his address in Richmond?
It is a little hard to work out from the WW1 record, but his father appeared to live in PORTLAND, though FREDERICK says his parents are dead at his enlistment.
Sue
I hope you will not mind YOGI that I do note many of your previous posts on the RC forum offer very little information in your initial inquiry.
More information will be found to help your searches if you offer more detail at the outset or perhaps simply make quite clear what you specifically need
Sue
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Thank you Sue and Leanne for your replies on Frederick Leslie PEARSON, I was looking for confirmation of parents names and his date of birth. A long lost relative. I have been unable to find any information other than his war record. I have Marriage and Death details but no information on the above.
Thank you kindly, Yogi.
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Welll according to the death indexing...
His parents show.....
PEARSON Frederick Leslie
Father George
Mother Emily MOYLE
Place HEID
Age 84
Year 1978
Reg 25070
He is interred at Fawkner Memorial Park.
The woman he married in 1926 is at the same location.
Sue
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Hi,
There were 9 x George Pearson in the 1888 Victorian PO Diectory.
Pearson George, Campbell's Creek.
Pearson George, Goorambat.
Pearson George, 70 Lennox street, Richmond.
Pearson George, brickmaker, Box Hill.
Pearson George, corndealer , Buangor.
Pearson George, farmer, Shirley.
Pearson George, grocer, Liddiard st. Hawthorn.
Pearson George, grocer, Railway pl. Flemingtn.
Pearson George, wine & spirit merchant, 82 Lennox street & Rowena street, Richmond.
Regards
Gerry
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Re his birth
From his WWI service records, he was born BRUNSWICK (Vic) and aged 22 in July 1915
I note that page 1 of those records gives his middle name as Leslie I note that page 3 gives his middle name as Lancelot, and I suspect this page is NOT actually “his” page, for that chap’s medical is dated 2 June 1915, ie six weeks BEFORE Frederick Leslie enlisted...
If I were YOGI, I would be contacting the National Archives of Australia to ask for further clarification as to the apparent confusion between TWO chaps, one with service number 3095 (Frederick Leslie P aged 22) and one named Frederick Lancelot, enlisted at aged 20 years 6 months. (number 3032) Frederick Lancelot P’s paperwork IS digitised. It could be that some further pages in Frederick Leslie P’s files are also NOT for him.
However, it seems that Frederick Leslie Pearson believed he was aged 22 in July 1915 and that his parents were deceased, and that he was born at Brunswick. So born about 1893, perhaps 1892, 3, 4 .... which of course supports Sue's post re his death indexed in 1978
Cheers, JM
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Yogi,
Regarding the man named J B PEARSON of PORTLAND
He is recorded in the WW1 file for FREDERICK and seems to say he is the soldier's father, though FREDERICK records his parents as deceased.
There is a letter from him to the Dept requesting information.
He is possibly JOSEPH JOHNSON BELL PEARSON who appears on electoral roll around that time in Portland and seems the only man of such similar initials there.
He seems to be a married man and he and his wife do not have a son born on the Victorian indexes names FREDERICK LESLIE PEARSON. They stop having children by 1886....FREDERICK was born about 1893. There are other chn to them. This man's wife died in 1908.
{Details of the events are available if required }
There is no birth in Brunswick (I can see) with the parental names EMILY MOYLE and GEORGE PEARSON for a son FREDERICK PEARSON.
The only other link I can see is that when JOSEPH JOHNSON BELL PEARSON died his mother was recorded as Mary SIMPSON (details available) and FREDERICK's Next of Kin is listed as Mrs W SIMPSON
(common enough name of course!!)
Sue
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,192269.10.html
a little bit done a while ago
Jenn
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Thanks Jenn for the link,
It is always so valuable to have a revisit of past data.
The fuller picture from your prior searches with GENNIG might help from here on.
Sue
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Thank you Sue and Leanne for your replies on Frederick Leslie PEARSON, I was looking for confirmation of parents names and his date of birth. A long lost relative. I have been unable to find any information other than his war record. I have Marriage and Death details but no information on the above.
His marriage certificate for 1926 would detail where he was born & his parents names even if they were deceased.
Do you have a copy of it?
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After Emma Pearson dies in 1902 Jordon remarries
Ethel Sarah ORAMES in 1903 reg no 2338 and 2338R first certificate has her name as ORAMA states he was born Brighton and she Kynton
They have one child
Raymond Wm Fran PEARSON born in 1904 at Richmond reg no 20982
PEARSON Jordon born 1862 at Brighton
Father Isaac mother Elizabeth Healey reg no 19329
Death
PEARSON Jordan died aged 89 on 1952 at South Melbourne reg no 12067
Father Isaac mother Elizabeth Healey
Frederick Leslie PEARSON’s death details his father as George, it is possible that should be Jordon similar sounding perhaps?
A copy of Jordan PEARSON’s death certificate should list his children but that knowledge will only be as good as the informant knowledge of the deceased, they did know his parents names. The informant may be his wife Ethel as she dies after him.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9634265?searchTerm=pearson emily&searchLimits=l-title=The+Argus+%28Melbourne%2C...%7Ctitleid%3A13
newspaper link to an article about Emily PEARON's death
Jenn
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Hi there,
Perhaps a side-track, BUT from an online index for births
There's a birth registration for 1893 at BRUNSWICK, for a Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND, with his parents indexed as George Lochland and Mary Rigby. The Vic BDM reference # 20104
I haven't followed up any further on that birth.
I notice that the online index for AIGS has an Ah Wye with d o d as 17 Sept 1897, and at the Amherst/Talbot Cemetery. (following on from one discussion on that earlier thread, with mention of that surname)....
Cheers, JM
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Thank you, Gerry, Raylen, Sue, Leanne, JM, Jenn, Merlin for your research on Frederick Leslie PEARSON, I have Marriage Certificate (no parents named) Death Certificate but I have been unable to source a Birth Certificate, any advice would be greatly appreciated. JM suggested there maybe a connection to Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND, the date would seem to be about right. that is about as close as I have been able to get. Many thanks, Yogi.
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Hi there,
May I ask about that m.c. please.... when/where and to whom, what denomination etc .... You mention no parents named... That is definitely of interest to me ... is the section "blank" for both the bride and the groom, does it miss out on those details, is there a line drawn through, or does it comment in any way as to the lack of information. The clergy were required to find out the names of the parents (including nee and any other former names for the mothers), otherwise the marriage could not proceed without a major investigation, and the issuing of a special licence for the marriage to proceed.
Also, the local parish records for the marriage may hold additional information and can usually be accessed by approaching their archivist.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM, I am sorry re the Marriage details, I have found the certificate and the parents names of Frederick Leslie PEARSON are George PEARSON Baker, and Emily Moyle. I am wondering if the Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND and Frederick Leslie PEARSON are one of the same, having 1893 as a birth year. I think the only solution now is the find marriage and death details for Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND. Also on the Attestation Paper for the AIF Frederick signed his name that his parents were dead and he had no guardian.
Thank you kindly, Yogi.
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With the information from the marriage certificate you have just supplied...
I suggest you purchase the death certificate of Emily (nee MOYLE) PEARSON in 1902, this will detail her husband, children & other information.
Her newspaper reports of the Inquest state she was married to a 'bread carter' who at the time was still alive & they lived in Richmond.
Death:
PEARSON Emily age 39yrs d. 1902 Melb E Hosp #6321
Father: Moyle Jno
Mother: Carol BLAKE
Inquest:
PEARSON Emily 1902 #395
Newspaper reports of her Death & Inquest:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0duq/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dur/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dus/
*NOTE* - Some of this information has already been posted in this thread
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Hi there,
Bread Carter from Merlin and Baker from Yogi's m.c. seems to me to be interconnected and pointing to the right d.c. for Frederick Leslie Pearson's mother ... how sad for her and the family.
Cheers, JM
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I suggest you purchase the death certificate of Emily (nee MOYLE) PEARSON in 1902, this will detail her husband, children & other information. MERLIN
Thanks again Jenn for your help with this family.
Emily Moyle was born in 1863 in Melbourne to John MOYLE and Caroline BLAKE. died at age 39. in 1902. I have a death certificate and a marriage to a Jordon PEARSON. Apparently her first husband was to a ------ CONWAY. Unfortunately no given name for him and children. YOGI
per thread 1 kindly linked to thread 2 by JENN
Sue
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Sorry Sue & Jenn, totally missed the link when scanning through the thread earlier :-[
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Death
PEARSON Jordan died aged 89 on 1952 at South Melbourne reg no 12067
Father Isaac mother Elizabeth Healey JENN Reply #15
Also on the Attestation Paper for the AIF Frederick signed his name that his parents were dead and he had no guardian. YOGI
If JORDAN and GEORGE are one in the same man, this was not a truthful statement from FREDERICK.
Unless, of course, another was his father ::)
Sue
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Hi there,
Well perhaps his surname at birth was CONWAY ....
There were births to various couples at BRUNSWICK in 1894 with the surname Conway ... eg
Jos Geo Conway
Father Jos Conway
Mother Allica Cummins
Birth Place: Brunswick, Victoria
Registration Number 1294
I STRESS I AM NOT SUGGESTING THIS JOS GEO CONWAY is connected in any way to any of the PEARSON or MOYLE families, simply that there was at least this Conway family at Brunswick in the same era as Frederick Leslie PEARSON was born there.
Also, I have not found any further sighting for Frederick Lancelot Pearson, as I have not searched for him.
I suggest you purchase the death certificate of Emily (nee MOYLE) PEARSON in 1902, this will detail her husband, children & other information. MERLIN
Thanks again Jenn for your help with this family.
Emily Moyle was born in 1863 in Melbourne to John MOYLE and Caroline BLAKE. died at age 39. in 1902. I have a death certificate and a marriage to a Jordon PEARSON. Apparently her first husband was to a ------ CONWAY. (RESIZED BY JM) Unfortunately no given name for him and children. YOGI
per thread 1 kindly linked to thread 2 by JENN
Sue
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I would like to thank all the people who have helped me with this difficult situation, I doubt if I will ever know the complete history of this family.
Thank you again, Yogi.
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If I might add in here that if you are able to, purcahse the death certificate of Jordan Pearson, that just might tell you if Frederick Leslie was his child.
It is quite possible the birth was not recorded or it could have been recorded incorrectly, it does happen.
You can allways ask the Victoria BDM's to do a search for you say 5 years before and after the alleged birth, they will charge you for this though
Jenn
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:)
This marriage may be of interest ...
Emily Conway = Jordan Pearson it is registered in Victoria in 1887. The ref no. is 5448
Cheers, JM
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This marriage may also be of interest
Emma Moyle = Kong Wye (ie Conway)
Registered 1878, Victoria, Ref 5163.
Cheers, JM
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Hi JM,
I think the linked thread provided by JENN earlier in this topic did take us through some of the CONWAY documentation ;D
Sue
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Oh dear,
Many thanks Sue.
I am sorry Jenn, I had read that thread, I do apologise, I must have been skimming ... ::) ... Please put it down to a senior moment on my part.
Again, I am so sorry Jenn for my senior moment. :'(
I agree with Jenn
Seems there are some pennies to be spent on that Jordan Pearson certificate...
::) JM ::)
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Please JM
there is no need to be apologising to me, we all do it from time to time, I certainly was not concerned.
Yogi, if you have Emily Pearson's death certificate, can you tell us where she is buried?
I cannot locate a grave for Jordon Pearson, I found his second wife but he doesn't appear to be buried with her ( I could be wrong) and wondered if he is buried with Emily?
I would like to find his death date to see if there is a funeral or death notice that might mention his children.
Jenn
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Thank you once again....I have these certificates. Details as follow....
Marriage of Jordan PEARSON and Emily CONWAY 1887 Fitzroy. Emily CONWAY Widow husband deceased 1886. (no given name for late husband.) 1 CHILD DECEASED.
Death of Emily PEARSON aged 39 years. 31 March 1902. (Inquest held) Married to Jordan PEARSON. Buried Brighton Cemetery. "NO ISSUE"
Death of Jordan PEARSON 11 October 1952. aged 89 years.
Buried at Brighton Cemetery 13 October 1952.
Married to Ethel Orames at age 38 years. ''ISSUE" Raymond William Orames.
I hope this is of some help
Thank you Yogi.
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Hi Yogi,
If your interest is in Emily Moyle/Conway/Pearson, then perhaps there's information on the m.c. most recently mentioned here :
Emma Moyle = Kong Wye (ie Conway)
Registered 1878, Victoria, Ref 5163.
I am aware that "Emma" and "Emily" have at times been interchangeable names, particularly in my own 19th Century Aussie forebears.
Also I am aware of the Anglising of surnames, and do not see any obstruction to get from Kong Wye to Conway especially as you note that the 1887 m.c. does not include a given name for Mr Conway who died the previous year.
I expect the m.c. image would show that CONWAY is the name recorded by the clergyman, based on verbal advice from Emily, and thus the clergyman used his own understanding of the name, based of course on his own experiences, rather than asking Emily "and how do you spell that".
Then the clergyman forwarded the details to the civil registration authorities. Thus there is no given name on that civil registration.
......Marriage of Jordan PEARSON and Emily CONWAY 1887 Fitzroy. Emily CONWAY Widow husband deceased 1886. (no given name for late husband.) 1 CHILD DECEASED.
It is unlikely that the deceased child would be mentioned on Emily's 1902 d.c., but it also seems that the informant for that d.c. may have either mis-understood the question posed regarding any issue, or perhaps had no knowledge .... as she had been hospitalised and unable to speak in those days immediately before her death, it is likely the informant, if a family member, simply mis-understood the question, due to personal grief and the need to make funeral arrangements....
It is quite possible that any children (for example Frederick Leslie Pearson) would have been fostered out as it would be unusual to find a father in 1902 raising his children, as a widower. His employment could have been at least 48 hurs a week, over 5 1/2 days, and travel to and from his work place for those 6 days may have meant the children were placed with extended family members, who in turn, may have lost contact with that widower, and presumed him to have died.
I realise this is speculative, however, Frederick Leslie's AIF papers do indicate he was over 21 years of age, and thus he did not need to seek permission from either parent to enlist. He did nominate a n o k contact, without specifiying the relationship. And he obviously believed that both his parents were deceased.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM, I do not think that Frederick Leslie PEARSON is connected with CONWAY, as he gave his age as 22 years on the AIF documents. Emily Conway married Jordan PEARSON in 1887. I think Frederick may have been fostered out to them, as they did not have children themselves. I will look into the family of Jordan PEARSON for his siblings, who knows a connection may be there. failing that I have never found a Frederick Leslie as given names for a PEARSON, the most like one was Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND b. 1893 which you provided.
regards, Yogi
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Hi Yogi,
Thanks for your Thank You.
Some thoughts
I am concerned though that you write that Emily and Jordan Pearson did not have children themselves. If you are basing that view on Emily's d.c. then I have offered you a good explanation as to why that d.c. may not note any children of that marriage.
The information on any BDM certificate is only ever as reliable as the informant's own knowledge. As you already have a copy of the d.c. for Emily, would you please re-check and note the details on it in full, including those of the informant. Information found on Vic certificates is perhaps amongst the most detailed in the world, and even the smallest clue may help you advance.
While there are NO Census records that will help your search for Frederick, the Victorian BDM records are often considered to be of more value in family history searchings for example than UK census records... The basic tenets for family history research remain the same, however the Vic BDM documents are far more detailed than say a UK BDM document, so the focus should be on finding the Vic BDM records, and detailing all the information on them. Rchatters familiar with the Vic records will then be able to offer advice as to further understanding those records. Where some writing may be hard to read, then of course there is always the Decipher board at RChat where experienced people are willing to help.
Fostering/adoption records for that era are not readily available, as many fostering placements were informal and within family or extended family or benevolent friendly societies or lodges. Recordkeeping of those informal arrangements was of much less significance than for instance in making sure the orphaned child was fed, clothed, sheltered and educated.
Frederick Leslie Pearson did not need to state that his parents were dead on his AIF records, he was clearly over 21 years of age and was entitled to nominate any person as his n o k on his enlistment. Many men did just that, nominating friends rather than living parents or living siblings. Within my own forebears who enlisted, I have several examples where the n o k nominated was NOT the living relative of the enlistee, although the enlistee lived at home with both parents and younger siblings. Thus it is possible that Frederick Leslie Pearson was born to Emily and Jordan, .... and of course it is also possible that he was not. Perhaps they were his foster parents, BUT as Emily died when he was around 8 years of age, then he was most likely fostered out AGAIN .... and that may have meant he would have enlisted under a different surname ...
I share:
A child born in 1881 was fostered into one of my family lines at age 8 months.
The child died in 1898 and was buried with the fostering mother's family plot in a well known Cemetery in Australia.
The child's name is on the headstone. It gives his full birth name and notes the names of his foster parents.
The d.c. confirms the details as found on the MI
The birth certificate shows the detailed of the birth parents.
Further research found the early death of the mother
Further research showed the death of the father occurred many years after the death of the fostered child.
Further reading of private family papers in light of the d.c. of that birth father, explained the fostering of the child as a direct consequence of the lack of someone to be there for the children on six days out of seven as the father's work was not close to his home, and he was not keen on his own abilities to raise his children alone.
Cheers, JM
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Perhaps others may have noticed the incorrect page in Frederick Leslie PEARSON's service file.
Frederick Lancelot PEARSON was a serviceman in WW1 born in SA and enlisted at Mitcham, SA and it is his page in Frederick Leslie PEARSON's file
Enlistment page
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8014010&S=1&T=R
Page 3 of his file
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8014010&S=3&T=R
Frederick Leslie PEARSON's file.
Enlistment page
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8014011&S=1&T=R
Page 3 of Fred Leslie's
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8014011&S=3&T=R
Perhaps the comment regarding Frederick's parents may have been because he did not nominate either parent as NOK. The relationship with NOK is often noted.
The response to a request for a ticket by Mr J B Pearson states "you do not state the name of your son but we presume it is Frederick Leslie PEARSON"
This is the enlistment for the son of Mr J B Pearson of Portland
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8014048&S=1&T=R
who also returned to Australia on the YPIRANGA
I also wonder if the initial for the NOK Mrs W SIMPSON should be M SIMPSON. Enrolled to vote at the address in the service file was a Mr Charles Thomas SIMPSON, Carpenter and Margaret SIMPSON HD. Frederick was enrolled to vote at their address from 1919 until his marriage in 1926 and then lived only a few streets from them in Moonee Ponds. Charles Thomas SIMPSON [born London] married Margaret DUNCAN in 1904.
However all of this does not find a birth for your Frederick Leslie PEARSON. There are registrations missing from the bdm's in Victoria and perhaps Frederick's is one of these. There is also the possibility that his birth was never registered.
I wonder who are Emily MOYLE's parents on the 1878 marriage certificate?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando
In my Reply #11, I did try to further explore the Joseph John Bell PEARSON of Portland who is mentionedin the file as you say.
I also noted the SIMPSON connection (which you have expanded on) and added that J B PEARSON's mother was a Mary SIMPSON.
This man did have another son at the front whose name was ALLAN HOLDICH PEARSON. His file is digitised too.
He was born about 10 years before FREDERICK (allegedly) and was returned to Australia via ship KHYBER not YPIRANGA.
This leaves even further scope for confusion in the file!
Sue
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Hi Sue...it was your mention of JB PEARSON that caused me to search further :)
I think it would be interesting to compare the signatures of the Emily MOYLE on her marriage certificate in 1878 and Emma CONWAY nee MOYLE on her marriage in 1887 along with the names of her parents. I have long ceased to believe everything that is on certs but signatures of similar characteristics can be as they say, 'a dead give away'.
Cheers
Cando
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Yes, I agree that checking those signatures can be a "dead give away" on those m.c.s, and I take my hat off to the fantastic work of the RChatter volunteers on that decipher board.
I believe the information on m.c. is often far more reliable than d.c.s, afterall the m.c. is information given "first hand" directly by the participating bride and the groom, hopefully at a time of happiness for the couple, while information on a d.c. simply cannot be "first hand", and if given by a family member then it is given at a time of grief. Of course, if given by hospital staff it is based on their records of information given orally by either the patient or a family member, both of whom would be far more concerned about the patient's well being than in the formal admission papers. I have always understood that the information given was NOT checked before being entered on the papers to register the d.c. It is simply information given "in good faith" and recorded as such.
I too am aware of missing or misplaced BDM records/registrations, not just in Victoria, nor just in Australia.
And the AIF file does seem to include more than one chap's records,
If I were YOGI, I would be contacting the National Archives of Australia to ask for further clarification as to the apparent confusion between TWO chaps, one with service number 3095 (Frederick Leslie P aged 22) and one named Frederick Lancelot, enlisted at aged 20 years 6 months. (number 3032) Frederick Lancelot P’s paperwork IS digitised. It could be that some further pages in Frederick Leslie P’s files are also NOT for him.
It is possible that the NAA would need to involve archivists at the AWM and/or the DoD, however, those records deserve to be sorted back into each chap's correct folder. Perhaps others have already contacted NAA, for it is likely the re-sorting would take some time to organise.
A further look at that file now after reading these recent posts at RChat leads me to think there may be more than two chaps papers in Frederick Leslie Pearson's folder.
Cheers, JM
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Hi Cando, thanks for your help but I do not think Frederick Lancelot PEARSON is the one I am looking for. Frederick Leslie PEARSON was 5'10" and did not have a tattoo.I will keep looking. kind regards, Yogi.
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Hi Yogi,
Have you contacted the National Archives of Australia to ask for them to sort out your Frederick Leslie Pearson's file?
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM once again, I will apply for the marriage certificate for Emily Moyle/Conway and contact the National Archives,for clarification on the Army Records, I will keep searching.
King regards, Yogi.
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Hi Cando, thanks for your help but I do not think Frederick Lancelot PEARSON is the one I am looking for. Frederick Leslie PEARSON was 5'10" and did not have a tattoo.I will keep looking. kind regards, Yogi.
At no time did I mention that Frederick Lancelot PEARSON was the person you were seeking. I was drawing attention to the fact that his page is in Frederick Leslie's service record.
Cando
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Yogi,
Have you followed up re the Miss Millie Marshall of 272 Victoria St North Melbourne as mentioned on that file.
Cheers, JM
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Yogi,
Have you followed up re the Miss Millie Marshall of 272 Victoria St North Melbourne as mentioned on that file.
Cheers, JM
Hi JM.
I had a try at that and was stymied at the outset by being unsure whether MILLIE was Millicent, Amelia, Emily etc.
She was clearly not the person FREDERICK PEARSON married.
Sue
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Some thoughts ....
I was thinking along the lines of the Millie Marshall whose birth is indexed as Mille Marshall.
That lass was born 1895, so could be a friend or relative of the Simpsons, and may have known Frederick Leslie as a school friend, as they would be of similar age.
Millie's letter seems to suggest there were several people keeping up correspondence with Frederick Leslie P during his hospitalisation in England. The letter was dated 1917.
Re the birth registration for Millie, born 1895 The ref for the birth cert 3807.
Parents recorded for Millie as William Thomas Marshall and Jessie Lang.
There are many other clues in the file for Frederick Leslie Pearson, despite it being in some dis-order.
Cheers, JM
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Frederick Leslie PEARSON boarded with the SIMPSONS before he enlisted and when he returned to Australia.They did not have children,I have been searching his file from the AIF and all pages except one have F.L. Pearson on his records. will send for more information. Thank you Yogi.
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Frederick Leslie PEARSON boarded with the SIMPSONS before he enlisted and when he returned to Australia.They did not have children,I have been searching his file from the AIF and all pages except one have F.L. Pearson on his records. will send for more information. Thank you Yogi.
Now that's good news Yogi.... That's a great find you have made, please let us all know more, .... how did you establish that he was boarding with the Simpson family, how long had he been a boarder there .... you know .... all the usual questions ;D.
Cheers, JM
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Frederick Leslie PEARSON boarded with the SIMPSONS before he enlisted and when he returned to Australia.They did not have children,I have been searching his file from the AIF and all pages except one have F.L. Pearson on his records. will send for more information. Thank you Yogi.
Now that's good news Yogi.... That's a great find you have made, please let us all know more, .... how did you establish that he was boarding with the Simpson family, how long had he been a boarder there .... you know .... all the usual questions ;D.
Cheers, JM
;D
probably from the information that Cando had supplied in reply 37
Jenn
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Hi, Everybody in the family knew Frederick Leslie PEARSON boarded with the SIMPSONS before and after the war how the connection with them came about I do not know, maybe an advertisement in the paper I do not know.
regards, Yogi.
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It is allways very helpfull to detail all you do have, it does save people doing the same work over again and again. Had you stated this information that you had on the Simpson connection it would have been beneficial
I don't mean to sound nasty as I know that we all do love to help and that is why we are members of rootschat.
So if he boarded with them did the run a boarding house it doesn't appear so but who knows.
As Charles Thomas Simpson was 40 when he married Margaret Duncan either one of them might have had a child earlier. , he could have been a child born illegitimately to a sister to either one of them
My thoughts for what they are worth is his birth was not recorded or simply translated incorrectly.
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Hi Yogi,
Jenn's words are full of wisdom and I fully support them.
Many cheers, JM
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I would like to thank all the people who helped with this search, I am aware now that ALL DETAILS must be provided from the initial query.
Thank you Yogi.
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Have you done any research on the Simpson family to see if there was a family link?
Also it may very well have been supplied but do you have Frederick Leslie Pearson wedding certificate and if so did he name his parents? and who were the witness at his marriage?
Jenn
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Hi there,
Thank you, Gerry, Raylen, Sue, Leanne, JM, Jenn, Merlin for your research on Frederick Leslie PEARSON, I have Marriage Certificate (no parents named) .....
I think this refers to Frederick's m.c., but I cannot see any mention of the witnesses, nor FLP's then current address .... but I have only had a quick "skim" back ....
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM, I am sorry re the Marriage details, I have found the certificate and the parents names of Frederick Leslie PEARSON are George PEARSON Baker, and Emily Moyle. ,,,,,,,
Although this reply may be the one referring to Frederick's m.c. ....
I am getting a tad confused though ....
Cheers, JM
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Yes JM
thats why i just wanted a confirmation from Yogi on what is on the marriage details???
Jenn
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The marriage certificate states the Frederick Leslie PEARSON was married on July 10, 1926, to Vera Marie PRAETZ. Frederick has Melbourne as birthplace and Vera has Creswick. Father for Frederick, George PEARSON ,Baker and Mother Emily MOYLE. Witnesses Amelia Ann TELFORD and Charles ......TELFORD. Both boarding at Glass Street, Essendon.Marriage took place at Combermere Street, Essendon. I suppose that George and Jordan would be one of the same.
I do not have any information on the SIMPSONS, only that they were from scotland. I do not know if Frederick boarded there for weeks or months before the war or for how long after. Sorry for confuse you.
Thank you, Yogi.
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Hi Yogi,
While you have that certificate handy, may I please ask
Q ..... if this was a marriage by banns, or by licence?
Q ..... and what were the ages as recorded for the bride and groom on that cert.
Q ..... Does it show if they were spinster and bachelor, or if either had been previously married?
Re the middle name for Charles Telford, I presume it is hard to read ............ so if you want help with that middle name, you could attach a small snippet from a scan of that part of that document, as two more eyes looking at deciphering it would surely be helpful.
Sorry for all the questions, but hopefully the answers will help unconfuse me .....
Cheers, JM
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Probably Charles Alexander TELFORD. Enrolled to vote at the same address as Amelia Ann TELFORD [nee GOODWIN] in 1924 at Parkdale. Vic. His occupation sales, hers HD. Married in Sydney in 1920.
Cando
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Possibly a chap a generation older than Frederick then ....
Cheers, JM
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looking for any sort of link ;D
TELFORD Chas Alexdr born 1880 at Sandhourst reg no 11601
fathe William mother Ann Cockburn
Jenn
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Chas Alex Telford married in 1909 in Victoria To Isobel Jane GILBERT
she died in
reg no 23176/1919
name TELFORD ISOBEL J (GILBERT) aged 35 YRS at JERILDERIE
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27141322?searchTerm= Telford Charles A&searchLimits=
he ( charles) died in Tasmania he was a Boer War Veteran
Jenn
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Charles and Amelia Telford's son.
George Frederick Telford, 4th Reserve Motor Transport Company, Australian Army Service Corps commemorated on the Labuan Memorial Panel 25, a PoW at Sandakan, transferred there from Changi in July 1942.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/10523463
JM
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Charles Alexander Telford's funeral
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27141322?searchTerm=charles alexander telford&searchLimits=
18 April 1953 The Mercury
JM
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looking for any sort of link ;D
TELFORD Chas Alexdr born 1880 at Sandhourst reg no 11601
fathe William mother Ann Cockburn
Jenn
Confirming his parents were William and Ann
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27148032 10 April 1953 The Mercury.
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Hi, I have a copy of the Marriage Certificate by Licence which was held at the Presbyterian Church North Essendon, ages Frederick 31 Bachelor and Vera 25 Spinster. the name of the witness which I was unsure of is Charles ALEXANDER Telford, ( can see that quite plainly now with my glasses on) I had never hear the name TELFORD mentioned before until I received the Marriage Certificate. Yogi.
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I noticed the given names for one of Charles and Amelia's sons .... George Frederick, he died as a P o W ...
JM
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Hi, I also wondered re the given names of George Frederick TALBOT.
Yogi.
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Now I am very confused ....Please ... but .....who is George Frederick Talbot ...
Cheers JM
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Now I am very confused ....Please ... but .....who is George Frederick Talbot ...
Cheers JM
I noticed the given names for one of Charles and Amelia's sons .... George Frederick, he died as a P o W ...
JM
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But their surname is TELFORD and they were witnesses on Frederick Leslie P m.c with Fred noting his Dad was George ... so confusing ....
Who is TALBOT please
Cheers JM
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Reply #68
Hi, I have a copy of the Marriage Certificate by Licence which was held at the Presbyterian Church North Essendon, ages Frederick 31 Bachelor and Vera 25 Spinster. the name of the witness which I was unsure of is Charles ALEXANDER Telford, ( can see that quite plainly now with my glasses on) I had never hear the name TELFORD mentioned before until I received the Marriage Certificate. Yogi.
Reply #69
I noticed the given names for one of Charles and Amelia's sons .... George Frederick, he died as a P o W ...
JM
Reply # 70
I am unsure of where that surname is mentioned anywheres on the thread until Hi, I also wondered re the given names of George Frederick TALBOT.
Yogi.
Sorrry Yogi, but this is becoming so very confusing to me...
Cheers, JM
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Sorry I meant George Frederick TELFORD, I am giving up searching for him as I am almost convinced he was fostered out by people unknown to me.
Many thanks for the time taken by all to find this person.
regards, Yogi
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That would explain it then, many thanks
JM