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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: buzzby on Wednesday 15 June 11 06:41 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Is anyone researching there family tree Snodgrass?
In particular John James born 4 Dec 1892, Wagga Wagga NSW.
He was enlisted in the WW2 nominal roll.
I would like to find out if he lived in WA in the late 1970s.
Thanks ,
Buzzby :)
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Hi Buzzby,
If John James' parents were George McGregor SNODGRASS and Frances Grace then he appears to have died in Dubbo, NSW in 1971.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Debra :)
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Im unsure of his parents names I have his birthdate and info. on his enlistment of WW2, I do not know where he died.I have tried to find him listed on the WA electoral roll to no avail.
I have actually come across some personal belongings of this person which I have donated to the local museum.
I have been trying to locate any further info on this person and how the items ended up in WA when it looks as though he has spent his life in NSW.
Cheers,
buzzby :)
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Hello Buzzby,
I'm not sure if this is any use to you but I came across it whilst looking up a Cannon Snodgrass of Geelong.
http://www.snodgrass-clan.com/
Cheers
Boy Scout
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NOK on the WW2 service summary is Edith
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=351500
Birth
35804/1893
SNODGRASS John J
Father Geroge McG Mother Frances G
District Wagga Wagga
Marriage
3180/1923
SNODGRASS John J
CARMODY Edith M
District Coonabarabran
Australian Electoral Roll
1930 NSW Gwydir/Cobbora
SNODGRASS Edith May Riverview, Merrygoen HD
SNODGRASS John James Riverview, Merrygoen Farmer
1936 Gwydir/Coonabarabran
SNODGRASS Edith May Flood Springs,Mendooran HD
SNODGRASS John James Flood Springs, Mendooran Farmer
and a farmer at Mendooran through to the 1954 electoral roll.
The only other mention I can find of a John James SNODGRASS - if you looking for a military connection :-\ :-\ :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dr2/
Cheers
Cando
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Hi there,
I think you will find that he also served in WWI
From the National Archives of Australia's online Index I can see where the WWI records have been included in his WWII records: (The WWI records have the following digitised notice: “Note – This record consists of an empty envelope only. The contents have been amalgamated with this person’s later service documents. Contact Archives Staff for assistance in requesting the amalgamated record”.)
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx Search as a guest.
WWI SNODGRASS John James : Service Number - 3132 (and) N279895
WWII SNODGRASS JOHN JAMES N279895 Born 04 Dec 1892, Wagga Enlisted Paddington NSW,N o K Edith Snodgrass.
Cando has the marriage that supports the WWII entry.
Cheers, JM
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A Ryerson Index entry for EDITH
SNODGRASS Edith May
Death notice
Date 21JUL1986
Age 86
Remark late of Mendooran
Newspaper Sydney Morning Herald 23JUL1986
Sue
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I think this would be Edith's birth
11885/1900 Edith M, dau of Thomas J and Lilian, registered at Coonabarabran.
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
Edith's notices ..
SMH 24 July 1986 Funeral Announcements
Requiem Mass for the repose of the soul of the late EDITH MAY SNODGRASS of Mendooran with be celebrated this day (Thursday), at St. Luke’s Catholic Church Beaconsfield Street, Reversby, Mass commencing at 9 am.
The relatives and friends are invited to attend the funeral to leave the church after prayers following the Mass for the Catholic Lawn Cemetery, Rookwood. Dignified Funerals, Five Dock, Lakemba, Leichhardt.
SMH 23 July 1986 notice includes names of people who may well be living. Here is part of the notice...
Snodgrass, Edith May, July 21, 1986, late of Mendooran, loving wife of Jim (deceased), dearly loved mother of (five names 2 males & 3 females, including Betty deceased) dearest mother-in-law, grandmother and great-grandmother of their families.
Aged 86 years. May she rest in peace.
Cheers, JM
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Thanks majm for the pm.
This looks like the family of John James Snodgrass, from what we can see there has been no residencey in WA.
The items that have been found were here in an abandoned home about to be demolished.I may try and track through telephone directories in NSW and see if there are any living descendants of this man so I can forward the info. onto his family.
Thankyou to all who have helped with this query.
Cheers,
buzzby ;)
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This gentleman had a father named John.
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00105770
Cando
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http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=5082677
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=5082670
Leanne
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The items that have been found were here in an abandoned home about to be demolished.I may try and track through telephone directories in NSW and see if there are any living descendants of this man so I can forward the info. onto his family.
Are you sure these items belonged to this John James SNODGRASS?
Cando
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One of the items found had the name of j.j snodgrass written on it, As 1 item is military related the historians at the museum believe it to be his,
The confusing part is ,Could there be more than 1 J.J snodgrass ? And if the J.J Snodgrass from NSW died in 1971, How did his items end up in a demolished home in the late 1970's in WA?
If they were his maybe they were given to a family member here prior to or even inherited from him once he passed.
Its sad that a little bit of history could of been lost if these items ended up in land fill luckily there now on display at the museum.
The mystery continues......
Cheers,
buzzby :D
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The items that have been found were here in an abandoned home about to be demolished.I may try and track through telephone directories in NSW and see if there are any living descendants of this man so I can forward the info. onto his family.
Are you sure these items belonged to this John James SNODGRASS?
Cando
Hi there,
Do you know if the museum considered the following WWII chap ....
SNODGRASS William James, Number - 45804 : D o b 25 Sep 1913 : born LEEDERVILLE WA : enlisted Perth WA, n o k James Snodgrass...
(there's around 137 entries for SNODGRASS on the National Archives of Australia's online index)
....... Contact http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx Search as a guest
Leanne OOPS, Cando has posted links that could be for William James ....
Cheers, JM
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Hi Buzzby,
Were the items found WW1 vintage especially the one with J J Snodgrass on it.
It was common during WW1 for soldiers to be given items with their names engraved on them.
Regards
Gerry
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I dont not know if the museum considered the items to belong to anyone else.They did their research and noted that J.J snodgrass born Wagga Wagga as the owner.
1 item's vintage was classed as 1939-45, the other c.1915.
Some books were also found in the house , dated early 1900s with the name Mackey written on them, these books were medical related.
Cheers,
buzzby ;)
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Hi there,
From the NAA site again ...
WWI
SNODGRASS James Henry John : Service Number - 6156 : born- Wagga Wagga NSW : Place of Enlistment - Cootamundra NSW : N o k (Mother) CLUNE Janet Forrest
Cheers, JM
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And from NSW BDM online
34236/1894 SNODGRASS James H J, (son of) John and Janet F, registered at Wagga Wagga.
Edit to add, death of John Snodgrass on the index too, and marriage 1902 for Janet Snodgrass to John W Clune at Wagga in 1902.
Cheers, JM
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majm,
"Quote from: majm on Yesterday at 09:28:58
....... Contact http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx Search as a guest
Leanne OOPS, Cando has posted links that could be for William James ...."
Sorry I don't know how to quote but I didn't send links to NAA but the links to headstones on Aust Cem Indexes website.
Thanks, Leanne
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So this is the first marriage for JANET?
REG 6142 In 1888 SNODGRASS JOHN
To CLIFF JANET
At WAGGA WAGGA
Sue
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Thanks All, :)
I think the JJ Snodgrass could be the one at Mendooran Cemetery.And also I came across a death notice that possibly indicates his son unfortunately this man has just passed away 6 days ago.
The J Snodgrass at the karrakatta cemetery in WA I think is someone different.
Will continue the search.....
Thanks,
buzzby :D
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Hi buzzby,
I don't understand why you would eliminate the one at Karrakatta cemetery, and also I don't understand why you would favour the one at Mendooran cemetery.
You could well be right, but please don't dismiss any of the Snodgrass families mentioned on this thread, particularly not any that have a Western Australia connection.
The Mendooran chap certainly seems to have both WWI and WWII connections, BUT ... BUT ... as YET , no apparent WA connection.
It is only my opinion, BUT .... just because the initials match up, doesn't mean that they belong to either of the chaps at Wagga. It could well be that the museum only accessed the nominal rolls rather than the NAA indexes to the actual service records ..
To my way of thinking it is a HUGE leap to get from JJ Snodgrass on military artefacts found in Western Australia to a chap born in Wagga with the same initials and surname who served in both WWI and WWII....
Cheers, JM
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Hi majm, :)
The museum actually traced the service records, a comittee of people researched this and they believe that 1 personal item of militiary reference was definately that of John James Snodgrass b.1892 Wagga Wagga.
So all we can think of is that maybe someone inhereted these items and may have not understood the history behind them.
Thus being left in a old derelict home awaiting land fill.
The militiary museum thought they were of significant relevance and has displayed them appropriately.
cheers,
buzzby :)
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Hi buzzby,
Many thanks for your explanation re the artefacts.
Good to know that they were able to pinpoint the JJ Snodgrass to Wagga and to the chap born there in 1892 as opposed to the JHJ Snodgrass born Wagga in 1894.
Cheers, JM
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John James Snodgrass who was born in Wagga served in both WW1 and WW2. He was involved in the Japanese breakout at Cowra.
He is my grandfather.
He did not live in WA.
He lived at Wagga, Sydney, The Rock, Merrygoen and finally Mendooran where he raised his family. I am keen to know what the objects were and in which museum they are displayed. I can then pass this information onto his surviving children.
His eldest son turns 90 today. Another of his sons, Brian, died a few months ago
Thank you
Cassandra
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Hi to all participants, the j.j.snodgrass that has been under discussion was my grandfather (and hero) and this matter has become of prime importance to his family. jim enlisted whilst living at merrygoen and after his service he returned home on the Morvada. It is quite possible this ship docked in perth and jim had a very good mate, "muckup" maccoll, who came from perth that most likely returned on the same ship. did jim visit the family during the stopover? the derelict farmhouse also contained documents relating to the mackey family so i may be confused about the name. I would dearly love to know what items were found and which museum they are in. my sister and i would then travel to perth to view them. Buzzby: if you are still monitoring these responses please reply i would be so grateful. regards, Freddyboy.
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I would be pleased to obtain details of these items concerning J.J.Snodgrass too. His daughters N. and J. would be very interested.
from C.
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I'm not sure what I expected but it was more than I found. A bit disappointing actually but if I had not followed it through I would not have known.
Thanks to all whom tried to help out.
Freddyboy.
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Hi Buzzby John James Snodgrass was my grandfather and I am the daughter of one of his surviving daughters. Cassandra is my cousin but I'm not sure who " Freddyboy " is. Three daughters and one son are still alive and we would really like to know about the items that were found in W.A. He never lived in W.A but did travel home on the "Movada" and it must have stopped over in W.A. My mother's middle name is "Movada" ( named after the ship).He was never married to a "Janet" so that is incorrect but everything about his background seems correct. I actually found this topic by mistake whilst trying to find information about a small bridge that he and his brothers built, by hand, over the Castlereagh River in Mendooran many years ago. It is still there today and is called "The Snodgrass Bridge"
Waiting in anticipation
Thanks Kerrie G
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my great grandparents lived in Mendooran, had 5 kids 3 girls 2 boys. my great grandfather died 25Th April 1966. he served in WW1 & WW2 along with his brother. I don't know if he is the J snodgrass you are looking for. he died before I was born & wasn't told much about him. he was born in a town near wagga wagga.
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