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Title: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Tuesday 14 June 11 13:41 BST (UK)
 I have a marriage between a....

                    Alice Hanks  bp 9.7.1848 (igi)  Campsall yorks,  father,  Richard Hanks, Fenwick Yorks
 
                  Charles Firth,    age unknown or where ....they were married on the 4 . 2 . 1867..at
              St Marys church Barnsley (igi).
        I know alices family but not charles, I know nothing and am after his father
        that would be on the marriage record, I know that the info is from the igi and needs to be checked, but have found
           the igi to be fairly accurate, so am hoping that the dates are true, if the bp date for Alice is correct she was about 19
          when married.....mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 14 June 11 13:47 BST (UK)
Hve you found the couple in 1891, or 1881 (free to search) to find an approx yr of birth and place of birth for him?
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Tuesday 14 June 11 14:02 BST (UK)
No , sorry Lizdb, i tried the 71 and 81  but to no avail, because I did not know charles origin that did not help, and the lack of age /parent,
  I have know way of knowing if this was his 1st or 2nd marriage, and as barnsley was a melting pot at the time, so he could have come from anywere...mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 14 June 11 14:37 BST (UK)
But you know Alice's - and they were married before 1871.

Having said that, I cant see them in 1871!

Is this her in 1881 ? RG11 4600 157 83, married but no husband there.

What children are they supposed to have had?
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 14 June 11 14:48 BST (UK)
1871
RG10 4644 35 20   indexed Feith
Ardsley
Charles 25 Tanner bn Knottingley
Alice 23 bn Arkelm
Anne 4 bn Akelm
Mary 2 bn Stanford
Hannah 4 mths bn Stanford

children tie up with that 1881 find too
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Tuesday 14 June 11 15:15 BST (UK)
Thats them the children are a bit off but , little ones were dying young all the time, the family name seems to be firth I do not know why ancestries search engine did not pick them up, but any way thanks for your help, what would I do with out RootChat, a big thank you...mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 16 June 11 19:20 BST (UK)
The marriage certificate number

Marriages Mar 1867   

HANKS  Alice    Barnsley  9c 164

Firth  Charles     Barnsley  9c 164

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1867&end=1867&sq=1&eq=1&type=Marriages&vol=9c&pgno=164&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTMwODI0ODI0MTo3NDBjNjQxYjE4MWZlOTlmMjU4M2MxYmM1MWIzODAxMWUyMzgwM2Q0&searchdef=given%3Dalice%26db%3Dbmd_1305579022%26sq%3D1%26v%3DMTMwODI0ODIwNzowNTUzYTYyNjM0OTg0YTQxYjY1ZWUyODBmNDhjZDU5NDMwZjFlNjdi%26s_surname%3Dfirth%26surname%3Dhanks%26s_given%3Dcharles%26type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4&action=Find

Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Thursday 16 June 11 20:44 BST (UK)
Hi dobfarm. thanks for that what I realy need is mr firth daddies name on the marr cert, I have to many choices to nail him down, thanks any way...mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 16 June 11 22:01 BST (UK)
Hi Mick

Ok! You have  the marriage date 4th Feb 1868 at St Mary church Barnsley.

Barnsley Library should be able to send a copy of the marriage register entry for about £2 P&P with SAE or less (See their web page) it will be exactly the same as the certificate.
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Thursday 16 June 11 22:12 BST (UK)
  Great, I will do that,  thanks
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 16 June 11 22:45 BST (UK)
  Great, I will do that,  thanks

Infact over the phone! the may give the verbal info of age and occupation and fathers of both of the couple free- if your lucky
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 17 June 11 14:26 BST (UK)
HI Mick

I phoned Barnsley Library and they said as follows

Marriage 4 Feb 1867
St Mary Barnsley

Charles Firth- aged 25- Bachelor - Residence Barnsley town centre-Father John - (Deceased)

 by Banns

They will send you a copy for full info- re;- their website conditions
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 14:47 BST (UK)
WO, Thanks thats all I realy wanted, dobfarm, I rang as you said and they would not give as it was after 1837, theres no answer to it....mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 17 June 11 14:53 BST (UK)
They Know me! ( a Pain in the butt)
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 15:07 BST (UK)

   Next wanted item is.......ha

                  Thanks anyway...mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 17 June 11 15:29 BST (UK)
Good question

John Firth Will index -parish burials Death/burial-Barnsley MI's

use old IGI family search also the IGI beta website
-Hugh Wallis IGI website For Charles bapt or birth Freebmd website

Rotherham and Wakefield overlap Barnsley also Ecclesfield, Wortley and Penistone should also be concided
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 16:30 BST (UK)
Thanks one will look into that...
 regarding the old IGI a few years ago I pulled a whole surname from northants and got entire families on the pedigree..birth/christ/some marriages death and burial, but i tried again lately to check on something and they had vanished, I put this to my bro who is a mormon elder to find out where they had gone/removed, and is in the process of, so watch this space....
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 17 June 11 16:58 BST (UK)
Hi Mick

Being baptised C of E (Non practicing) I'm not up on Mormon In's and outs but have heard that! they have to go back 6 family generations as members for the church, as all things in life under pressure of! and the poor records BMD on limited info pre 1837 parish registers, alot of early submissions were open to error (1950's - ish) With access more open now!! to all in repositories on & off line and computer access! these old submissions ancestral errors show up more now. LDS has taken a lot of stigma or ribbing over them and may have removed the ones they think maybe or are incorrect.

Dobby
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 17 June 11 18:52 BST (UK)
High Hoyland is a village and civil parish in the Metropolitan Borough of Barnsley in South Yorkshire, England, on the border with West Yorks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Hoyland

JOHN FIRTH
 bapt  29 JUN 1810   High Hoyland, Yorkshire, England
Father  WILLIAM FIRTH Mother  ANN
..................

JOHN FIRTH
 
  Spouse:  MARY WOODHEAD   
  Marriage:  03 JUN 1839   St Mary, Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
 ........................................................


John Firth buried aged 45 1856  High Hoyland

Look like Mary Woodhead may have been from St Marys Parish Bransley and John from High Hoyland parish they lived early day in Barnsley or High Hyland after marriage or both at different times in their married life.? Maybe
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 20:37 BST (UK)
That looks cosey, you have been busy, were did you find all this... will have to find the children if any in the 41 and 51 see if a charles turns up in this family approx 1847/8ish...thanks, that will give me something to do...mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 20:46 BST (UK)
I have a mixed up family in sykehouse on
       
           51 c             2349/248/23

  theres a charles at the age required, there with out daddy or mumso far as one can make out, tried for 41 but no avail so far...     
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: Tuppie on Friday 17 June 11 21:34 BST (UK)

1871 census original.

FIRTH, Charles Head  M 25 1846  Knottingley Yorkshire 
FIRTH, Alice Wife  F 23 1848  Askern Yorkshire
FIRTH, Ann E Daughter  F 4 1867  Askern Yorkshire
FIRTH, Mary Daughter  F 2 1869  Stairfoot 
FIRTH, Hannah Daughter  F 0 1871  Stairfoot   

RG10 Piece:4644  Folio:35 Page:20     
 
Stairfoot, Ardsley

Check your PMTuppie
 


Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Friday 17 June 11 22:09 BST (UK)
 Thanks Tuppie, one awaits with baited breath....mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 18 June 11 09:31 BST (UK)

1871 census original.

FIRTH, Charles Head  M 25 1846  Knottingley Yorkshire 
FIRTH, Alice Wife  F 23 1848  Askern Yorkshire
FIRTH, Ann E Daughter  F 4 1867  Askern Yorkshire
FIRTH, Mary Daughter  F 2 1869  Stairfoot 
FIRTH, Hannah Daughter  F 0 1871  Stairfoot   

RG10 Piece:4644  Folio:35 Page:20     
 
Stairfoot, Ardsley

Check your PMTuppie
 




Not exactly Barnsley area***  ??? above!!! are you sure 1867 Barnsley marriage is the right one?

This Charles in the Barnsley marriage 1867 was 25 = born 1842 -----NOT 1846
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Saturday 18 June 11 10:14 BST (UK)
Morning.. I was chasing out an Alice Hanks to see if and who she might have married or even died, I found the connection through the freebmd, its the only one, the problem I found at first was when linking to the partner you get 2/3 or more to choose from, with a proccess of elimination I got a match to Charles Firth, and refined the date for the marriage, then worked back to there beginings, alice was Bp in campsall and it was reasonable to assume that Charles was from that area, the igi came up with a Charles firth but in 1843, as Alice was registerd for 1848 and married in 1867 she was only 19, so it seems as I cannot find real good match for Charles I am running with him, but if other can find a better match I will have to go with it my problem is I live on the south coast so going to record offices in yorkshire to do research first hand , I have use what is to hand and anyhelp I can get ie RootsChat...........mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Saturday 18 June 11 10:39 BST (UK)
I tell a lie just be back into the igi and there is another charles ...3 may 1846 Fish lake yorks out of a Margaret firth, thats a better fit, who pappy is not clear, there a cluster of children all down to Margaret, no fathers name, one has to rely on the igi to tell the truth and not guess or there abouts sort of thing, I have tried to back the info from them with hard facts but not always possible...mick
 
           ps Thoughts please
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 18 June 11 10:56 BST (UK)
OK! Mick.

All looks interesting but to simplify? can you give us rough idea of your ancestry route back from say 1911 c back from to Alice Hanks b 1848 :) (for Identity theft reasons!!! give  nothing later than 1911c) Location/abodes of Alice's forbears and sisters/brothers etc if you have  come up from a sister or brother to Alice from your ancestor time tree line.


Your coming up to Alice Hanks b 1848 then sideways into her marriage and  husbands unknown ancestry! and siblings down from the  Alice Hanks marriage.

is this correct?

Dobby
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Saturday 18 June 11 11:08 BST (UK)
crumbs ...bear with me ...I will be back
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Saturday 18 June 11 11:47 BST (UK)

    Richard Hanks  abt 1805 Fenwick ...........Mary Ann Oliver 1821  Fenwick
                   marr  2 .3 . 1844 Pontifract                         
                  Alice Hanks     bn        Campsall  1848  d  1898 Barnsley
             (marr Charles Firth  4.2.1867  Barnsley)
   Siblings  William Hanks   bn 1845  Campsall
                Charles Hanks   bn 1851 Campsall
                 hannah Hanks  bn1857 Askern    d 1892   d Habergham eaves 1892

         Hannah Hanks  Marr John Whitehaed 1878 St Andrews Burnley Lancs
             
                   John Whitehead  1851 Burnley  d 19.....lancs
    8 children       John William whitehead  1880  19.....

hope you can under stand that, if you want finer info ...
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 19 June 11 00:54 BST (UK)
Hi Mick

Going by your info  it look like the 1871 census is the right Family.
Charles lied about his age on the marriage if the library told me correct ?

Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: Tuppie on Sunday 19 June 11 09:18 BST (UK)
HI Mick

I phoned Barnsley Library and they said as follows

Marriage 4 Feb 1867
St Mary Barnsley
Charles Firth- aged 25- Bachelor - Residence Barnsley town centre-Father John - (Deceased)
 by Banns
They will send you a copy for full info- re;- their website conditions

The WYA data will be launched on Ancestry at the end of June.
Barnsley registers are also with the West Yorkshire data. I wonder if Barnsley will still maintain their stance re the photocopying of marriages after 1837 when the data will be available on Ancestry anyway.

Tuppie
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Sunday 19 June 11 09:31 BST (UK)
Morning Tuppie, the other side of the coin with all the staff cost cutting that is going on, and the money coming through the library for copies etc is reduced because of Ancestries actions, access to these place will be much reduced, I lost a good access point in Guildford  for surrey research and have to go to woking now I might as well go to kew its not far on and better parking for a start....mike
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 19 June 11 09:32 BST (UK)
HI Mick

I phoned Barnsley Library and they said as follows

Marriage 4 Feb 1867
St Mary Barnsley
Charles Firth- aged 25- Bachelor - Residence Barnsley town centre-Father John - (Deceased)
 by Banns
They will send you a copy for full info- re;- their website conditions

The WYA data will be launched on Ancestry at the end of June.
Barnsley registers are also with the West Yorkshire data. I wonder if Barnsley will still maintain their stance re the photocopying of marriages after 1837 when the data will be available on Ancestry anyway.

Tuppie

I had not realised Barnsley was on WYAS registers! being South Yorkshire! Therefore Huddersfield library will have Barnsley St Mary and they don't work under WYAS rules. Will send copy of the event for pee nuts cost.

Dobby
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Sunday 19 June 11 09:34 BST (UK)
 Thanks dobby i'll look into that.mike
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 19 June 11 09:39 BST (UK)
I'll pop down tomorrow and Transcribe info in  the entry in Huddersfield library
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: Tuppie on Sunday 19 June 11 09:52 BST (UK)
Wakefield is part of the West Yorkshire archive service and the Barnsley registers ar deposited there not Huddersfield.

Tuppie

dobfarm i have sent a PM
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 19 June 11 09:55 BST (UK)
Hi again

You know how as one does! (Us lads) waking up in the night and realising Raquel Welsh was only a dream! so got up for a cupa!

I looked at the 1881 census on LDS family search, realised Charles and daughter eldest Ann Firth b 1867 were not living with Alice and her sibling in Barnsley!

There is a Charles and Daughter  Ann Firth living in Leeds 1881 c  both about right ages! but this Charles was born Bradford and Ann was born somewhere different to the 1871c. but worth checking it out! Mick
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 19 June 11 09:58 BST (UK)
Wakefield is part of the West Yorkshire archive service and the Barnsley registers are deposited there not Huddersfield.

Tuppie



Hi

Huddersfield library has/have all that is on this list and nonconformist also some Lancashire on Micro film/fiche

http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/documents/archives/Collections%20Guide%201.pdf

Kirklees WYAS is in the same room at Huddersfield Library but unlike Barnsley and other archives the local studies library is completely separate. Also all the Mi's Cemetery records and YAS  Books records are all under the library. The archive do work with the library on an informal level though! as all WYSA Catalogue Books and other stuff! are brought into the library on a trolleys when the WYAS Kirklees office is closed.

The HFHS at the Rootscellar Meltham Huddersfield have all WYAS PRs and Noncoformist PR's Micro film fiche and some Lancs Registers on micro film as well (Copies 20p) and they work in conjunction with all WYAS archives, Huddersfield Library and YAS  letting them have all there records on a swop for swop base also work with Borthwick York uni! York uni Library! and Huddersfield Uni Library (These Repositories are awesome)
Title: Re: barnsley marriage
Post by: mickmack1942 on Sunday 19 June 11 11:43 BST (UK)
when researching you seem spoilt for choice ..........
Title: Re: barnsley marriage - Firth
Post by: JudyLynn on Saturday 30 July 11 01:06 BST (UK)
Not to highjack your thread, but I have a FIRTH connection I'll throw out, just in case we can make a connection.

My Charles Henry FIRTH was b. 1865 in Worsbrough.  He married my great-great-aunt, Agnes Stanier or Stoneyer (CROSSLAND) in Barnsley in 1887.  I have a copy of a newspaper clipping about their 50th wedding anniversary -- with lovely wee pictures :-)  It says Charles was born in Taylor Row ("now George Street"), Worsboro Dale.  The couple moved to Sheffield Road in Birdwell.  It doesn't name his parents, but he's living with a John & Emma in the 1881 census of Worsbrough.

Charles and Agnes had nine children, but as of the 1937 article, only five daughters and 1 son were living.  I want to track down the kids someday ... think one was named Maurice or Morris, and another was Ethel.  Some of Agnes' siblings came here to America -- I have info on some of them (as well as her ancestors).

Cheers,
~JudyLynn