RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: telephonist on Tuesday 14 June 11 09:45 BST (UK)
-
Please can i have a census check 1891 and 1901 for a John and Catherine Hall (nee McNally) with these children.
Josephus, Sara Ann and Margarita.
I would like to see if any more children and what addresses they were living at time of these 2 census please.
-
could you give some ages and where in Durham you expect them to be.
-
Gateshead I think
Margarita born 1882
Joseph 1888
Sara 1890
I found these names while browsing on family search and unsure if they the family i am looking for or not.
John and Catherine born about 1857 and 1858
-
Did try, but not much luck. Maybe..
John Hall 33 coal miner b. Newcastle
Kate Hall 32 b. Northumberlans Nrth Shields
Mary Hall 13 all b. Durham Gateshead
George W Hall 11
Maggie Hall 8
John Hall 5
Richard Hall 3
Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Durham
-
Please can i have a census check 1891 and 1901 for a John and Catherine Hall (nee McNally) with these children Josephus, Sara Ann and Margarita.
Can't place this family on 1891/1901c ???
Where do you get the names of these children from? Do you have a birth
cetificate of one of the children that gives their mother's maiden name as McNALLY
FreeBMD has the marriage entry
1879 Newcastle T
John HALL
Catherine McNALLY
there is a postem added 18/06/2006
asking to make contact if you are related to either person
This is the nearest couple I can see on 1881 census, they have a 10month old son Robert
1881 census 38 Blagdon St N on T
John HALL 1857 Moulder Iron
Catherine 1861
Robert son 1880 (10 mths)
All born Newcastle
by 1891 John is widowed
16 Bedford Place All Saints Newcastle On Tyne
John HALL widower 1861 Iron Moulder
Robert son 1880
Elizabeth 1882
William 1884
Mary A 1886
All born Newcastle on Tyne
There's this death entry
Newcastle 1890
Catherine HALL age 31 (1859) - perhaps she died while giving birth to Annie
1901c 5, Johnsons Entry, All Saints
John HALL Head Widower 1857 Metal Moulder
Lizzie dau 1882
William son 1885 Chain Horse Driver
Mary A 1887
Annie dau 1889
William CAWTHORN son in law 1884 Labourer Quay
All born Newcastle
If you don't have a b/c it may be worth obtaining one of the children closest to the census date that you have mentioned at least this would give you an address, fathers occupation
-
Hello to you all, thanks for all your help.
I found the ref for Josephus,Sara Ann and Margarita on the familysearch.org under England births and christenings. Names appear to be written Latin style but says Catherine McNally for the mother.
I do have a note of the other family mentioned that you posted CJO.
LadyHawke - that cannot be my family as John and Catherine came to NZ with 4 children Minnie,Margaret,Willie and John in 1902 on the "Gothic" Ship
That is also my note on the postem-thanks.
On the 1881 census John and Catherine have 2 children George W and Mary Taresa and they are living at 44 Town Street. Next door at 42 is the brother of John named Thomas and his wife Isabella (who was a sister to Catherine McNally).
I was thinking that those 3 others i mentioned may have been their children also and could have died?
-
On the IGI index there is a Sara Anna Hall with birth and christening date and parents John Hall and Catherine McNally.
Birth 8 Nov 1890 and christening March 1891 St Josephs Gateshead.
Are they not mentioned in the 1891 census for Gateshead Durham??
-
Hi on Freebmd there is a death of a Sarah Ann Hall aged 0 June qtr 1891 Gateshead 10a 567.
Keyboard86
-
Oh dear probablility its my Sara.
Now i just need to find Joseph (Josephus)1888 and Margarita (Margaret) 1882
Are there any deaths for them please??
-
Same thing for them 1881 to 1891 as Joseph/Margaret?
No ignore above as cannot see one for Margaret that fits, Joseph is possibly 1889 aged 0
Just realised Margaret is the Maggie aged 8 that is posted re the 1891 census above by cjo !!
Keyboard86
-
thanks for possible Joseph, but that Margaret is another family!! with parents John and Kate not my Catherine.
-
Kate is a pet name for a lady called Catherine/Katherine!!, check the ages of John and Kate with the 1881 census, and they also have a George W aged 11 which ties in with the 1881 census?
Keyboard86
-
Gateshead I think
Margarita born 1882
Joseph 1888
Sara 1890
I found these names while browsing on family search and unsure if they the family i am looking for or not.
John and Catherine born about 1857 and 1858
And also this post from yourself!
Keyboard86
-
I note now there are two combinations of John Hall and Catherine the family i am linked to were living at 44 Town Street Gateshead Durham in the 1881 census and at that time had two children George W and Mary Taresa.
The Town Street couple were the family that came to NZ with 4 children, Minnie,Margaret,Willie and John.
The other family was living at 38 Blagdon Street.
Thanks for your help.
-
Hi Im new to this but I have been researching the halls Gateshead for my own tree and Thomas is my link brother to John
Any infor on their mother Mary Ann would be so useful.
I can not locate her on the 1881 or 1891 census
Liz49
-
uote author=Ladyhawk link=topic=538636.msg3929670#msg3929670 date=1308316296]
Please can i have a census check 1891 and 1901 for a John and Catherine Hall (nee McNally) with these children Josephus, Sara Ann and Margarita.
Can't place this family on 1891/1901c ???
Where do you get the names of these children from? Do you have a birth
cetificate of one of the children that gives their mother's maiden name as McNALLY
FreeBMD has the marriage entry
1879 Newcastle T
John HALL
Catherine McNALLY
there is a postem added 18/06/2006
asking to make contact if you are related to either person
This is the nearest couple I can see on 1881 census, they have a 10month old son Robert
1881 census 38 Blagdon St N on T
John HALL 1857 Moulder Iron
Catherine 1861
Robert son 1880 (10 mths)
All born Newcastle
by 1891 John is widowed
16 Bedford Place All Saints Newcastle On Tyne
John HALL widower 1861 Iron Moulder
Robert son 1880
Elizabeth 1882
William 1884
Mary A 1886
All born Newcastle on Tyne
There's this death entry
Newcastle 1890
Catherine HALL age 31 (1859) - perhaps she died while giving birth to Annie
1901c 5, Johnsons Entry, All Saints
John HALL Head Widower 1857 Metal Moulder
Lizzie dau 1882
William son 1885 Chain Horse Driver
Mary A 1887
Annie dau 1889
William CAWTHORN son in law 1884 Labourer Quay
All born Newcastle
If you don't have a b/c it may be worth obtaining one of the children closest to the census date that you have mentioned at least this would give you an address, fathers occupation
[/quote]
This family, John and Catherine are my great grandparents, their son William is my grandfather. I have his birth certificate and Catherine's maiden name was Tiernan.
I would dearly love to find out more about Catherine, she had Irish roots, and she died when Annie was 3 months old and we know nothing about her. Any info or help would most welcome. Thanks
-
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, is Catherine Tiernan aged 13, the one with parents Patrick 58 and Elizabeth 50 both born Ireland plus siblings at Bedford Place, Newcastle-upon-Tyne 1871?
Census ref RG10/5100/58/37
Keyboard86
-
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, is Catherine Tiernan aged 13, the one with parents Patrick 58 and Elizabeth 50 both born Ireland plus siblings at Bedford Place, Newcastle-upon-Tyne 1871?
Census ref RG10/5100/58/37
Hello & a warm welcome from me too :)
Marriage entry for Catherine surname spelling different - obtaining this would confirm her father's name and give his occupation
Catherine Tearnen
Male name on same page
John Hall
Jun 1880 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
Volume: 10b Page: 149
1871c given by keyboard86 - she has a brother named Thomas born c 1862
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51V-XQ3
I wonder if this might be Thomas' baptism
Thomas Tiernan 14 Feb 1864 St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: Patricii Tiernan Mother: Elizabethae Prior
Deaths
Jun 1880 Newcastle T. 10b 69
Tiernan Patrick Age 57 (1823)
1891c RG12; Piece: 4210; Folio: 73; Page: 54
address No. 8 Bedford Pl
Elizabeth TIERNAN Head Wid. 64
Bernard 45
John 28
Thomas 16
ALL pob given as Newcastle Upon Tyne
Can't find the above family on the 1881 census ???
ADDED
Also can't find the above family on 1901 census ???
There are these death entries BUT not sure if they relate to the same Tiernan family as their ages vary
Jun 1892 Newcastle T. vol 10b page 68
Tiernan Thomas age 25 (1867)
Mar 1894 Newcastle T. 10b 76
Tiernan Bernard age 36 (1858)
Mar 1894 Newcastle T. 10b 64
Tiernan Elizabeth age 62 (1832)
Mar 1896 Newcastle T.10b 78
Tiernan John age 30 (1866)
-
Hi 1881, 8, Bedford Place shown as TEARIN a Timothy b 1874
Census ref RG11/5064/119/34
Keyboard86
-
Hi 1881, 8, Bedford Place shown as TEARIN a Timothy b 1874
Census ref RG11/5064/119/34
Well done you :) I tried for ages with no luck
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXT-MQTG
James must be John from 1871 / 1891 census he has same occupation General Lab.
-
??? Where are they 1861?
Keyboard86
-
??? Where are they 1861?
I can't find them either ??? was wondering if there are any missing pieces :-\
-
What do you think? Could this be them 1861? There's no son John :-\
surname KEMON ???
4 Ildertons Entry Newcastle Upon Tyne
Patrick 40 Ireland
Elizabeth 30 ‘’
Bernard 11 Newcastle , All Saints
Elizabeth 5 ‘’
Catherine 2 ‘’
RG 9; Piece: 3830; Folio: 54; Page: 11
-
Many many thanks for your replies, found this board by accident. This is definitely my family, confirmed by remembering my grandad Billy (William) talking about his uncle Barney (Bernard)