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Title: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: nvb272 on Sunday 12 June 11 22:43 BST (UK)
Hi

I am looking for Joseph Harman married in 1861 in Hackney, father also called Joseph( blast founder)

his daughter(Eliza)marriage certificate in 1882 states him as deceased.

no othe info.
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 12 June 11 22:54 BST (UK)
When you say you're loking for Joseph Harman-in what context?

Birth, death, marriage or on censuses?

If he's the one who married the widow Lucrecia Price at St James Shoreditch on 5th August 1861-then you'll find that his father was a Brass Founder.

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: nvb272 on Sunday 12 June 11 23:14 BST (UK)
any context-no other info other than the marriage certificate.

don't know where or when he was born, don't know what type of mariner he was.
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 13 June 11 02:34 BST (UK)
Lucretia CUDDEFORD was baptised at St Leonard Shoreditch 15 Apr 1827, born 28 March. She married William PRICE in 1845 at same church. Might help find her on later census

Ian
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 June 11 03:02 BST (UK)
Hi to follow on last post:-

1851 census

William Price 1825 occ Journeyman Chair Maker b St Sepulchre
Lucretia 1829 b Cripplegate
Louisa 1846 b St Lukes
Alice b 1849 b St Lukes
Emma b 1851 b St Lukes
Residing at 27, Longs Buildings, Whitecross Street, St Lukes, Middx
Census Ref HO107/1522/93/34
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: Eyesee on Monday 13 June 11 10:28 BST (UK)
Louisa Price married William KEEN 9 Jun 1867 at St Philip Bethnal Green. Abode was Turnwell St. Alice PRICE a witness

Alice PRICE married Frank GROVES 25 Dec 1869 at St Philip Bethnal Green. Abode was Turnwell St. Louisa KEEN a witnesses

Emma PRICE married Josiah BUNYAN 4 Aug 1872 at West Hackney. Alice GROVES was a witness.

Can find Emma BUNYAN and Alice GROVES in the census, but no sign of their mother or Joseph HARMAN

Ian C
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 10:49 BST (UK)
Was reading all that intently thinking to myself,Ahhh Ian has found the answer  ;D

It was all going so well  ;D ;D ;D

Keep up the good work.LOL

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 11:05 BST (UK)
Quote from: Eyesee on Monday 13 June 11 10:28 BST (UK)
Louisa Price married William KEEN 9 Jun 1867 at St Philip Bethnal Green. Abode was Turnwell St. Alice PRICE a witness

Alice PRICE married Frank GROVES 25 Dec 1869 at St Philip Bethnal Green. Abode was Turnwell St. Louisa KEEN a witnesses

Emma PRICE married Josiah BUNYAN 4 Aug 1872 at West Hackney. Alice GROVES was a witness.

Can find Emma BUNYAN and Alice GROVES in the census, but no sign of their mother or Joseph HARMAN

Ian C

Eliza Harman maried George Bunyan(floor cloth printer) 25 Dec 1882 at West Hackney,Emma Bunyan was a witness. His father was Josiah Bunyan(labourer)

Must be a link surely?

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: nvb272 on Monday 13 June 11 11:09 BST (UK)
Lucretia Cuddeford married William Price, she then married Joseph Harman

daughter Emma b.abt 1851 married Josiah Bunyan

half sister Eliza Harman b. abt1863 married Josiahs brother George

The Bunyans came from the Tottenham area
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 11:09 BST (UK)
I've got the Bunyon's (BUNYAN) in 1881. ;D

RG11/1384 folio 85 page 6

Living in Tottenham - head Josiah aged 32 Floor Cloth Printer
Emma aged 29,Josiah,Alice, George and Thomas,8, 6,4,and 2.

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 11:11 BST (UK)
Quote from: nvb272 on Monday 13 June 11 11:09 BST (UK)
Lucretia Cuddeford married William Price, she then married Joseph Harman

daughter Emma b.abt 1851 married Josiah Bunyan

half sister Eliza Harman b. abt1863 married Josiahs brother George

The Bunyans came from the Tottenham area

That's what we've all just found out for you- didn't know if you knew that or not.
We usually go sidewards to go backwards if we can't immediately find someone on a census.

We are hoping that if we find the kids,mum shouldn't be too far away.
But it's not proving to be the case so far.Maybe she went off with hubby on his trips as a mariner?

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: heywood on Monday 13 June 11 11:15 BST (UK)
Joseph is 'deceased' when Eliza marries George Bunyan.

I am enjoying this  :D

Hope you find them soon.
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: heywood on Monday 13 June 11 11:40 BST (UK)
1881 RG11; Piece: 365; Folio: 20; Page: 34

30 Banner Street St Lukes Old Street

Louisa Price widow 58 yrs Charwoman b City
Sarah Price daur 21 yrs Dresser b Hill Street
Eliza Harmon daur 16 yrs Ironer b Tottenham
Sarah Cudderford niece 20yrs Collar Stitcher b Hackney

Perhaps some significance in reverting to Price as surname

So we are no wiser now  :( and only telling you what you know!
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 11:53 BST (UK)
How did you manage to find Lucretia had turned into Louisa!

Well done. ;D

Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 11:56 BST (UK)
I wonder if this is his death?

Deaths Mar 1876 
 
HARMAN  Joseph  age 57  Hackney  1b 323
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: heywood on Monday 13 June 11 12:00 BST (UK)
Is this the family in 1871 RG10; Piece: 1339; Folio: 137; Page: 13

If so -- more children  :-\

High Cross Road Tottenham

Louisa Harman 45yrs Widow Marine Store Dealer b King Street Old Street
Emma Harman daur 20 yrs  domestic servant
Thomson Harman son 16 yrs Baker's boy
Mary Ann Harman daur 14 yrs
Sarah Harman daur 12 yrs
Eliza Harman daur 9 yrs

children born Tottenham

Eliza transcribed as Elery - looks like 'Elary' so not sure but Emma would fit and this Sarah almost fits with 1881.

Nvb hopefully will tell us.
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: seahall on Monday 13 June 11 12:10 BST (UK)
I also just found it Heyford.  :)

There is a possible death aged 38 for Joseph in 1868?
as Louisa a widow in 1871.

Marine Store Dealer looks like you are certainly correct.

Maybe a will.?

I wonder why Eliza said she was Full Age on Marriage being only 19.

Sandy
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 12:15 BST (UK)
So did I Sandy  ;D

However there isn't a birth of a Thomson ANYONE c 1865 +/- 5 years.

Added - this looks like it should have read Thomas. ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 13 June 11 14:40 BST (UK)
Just found the baptisms of Lucretia and William Price's children.

All at St John's Hoxton...

 Louisa Price 22 Sep 1847 William Price,
Lucretia Price Hoxton St John Hackney 

 Alice Price 14 Jun 1854 William Price,
Lucretia Price Hoxton St John Hackney 

 Emma Price 14 Jun 1854 William Price,
Lucretia Price Hoxton St John Hackney 

 William Price 14 Jun 1854 William Price,
Lucretia Price Hoxton St John


And 2 at St Matthew Bethnal Green

Thomas Price  14 Jan 1855 William Price,
Lucretia Price Bethnal Green St Matthew

Mary Ann Price 1 Mar 1857 William Price,
Lucretia Price Bethnal Green St Matthew

Carol
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: heywood on Monday 13 June 11 15:36 BST (UK)
That's good Carol - thank you.

If sLucretia was a marine store dealer - maybe Joseph was on the canals and therefore could have come from anywhere  :-\

I think that title could cover a range of dealing activities - not necessarily things 'maritime'.
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: heywood on Monday 13 June 11 16:06 BST (UK)
1861  RG9; Piece: 159; Folio: 41; Page: 55
Mary Ann is a niece with a 'Cuderford' family

On their marriage, Joseph and Lucretia are living at '3 Colt Court'.

According to 1861 census street guide 'Three Colt Court' pages are missing  :(
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: nvb272 on Monday 13 June 11 23:21 BST (UK)
hi

thanks for the replies, i have ( i think explored every avenue) the children listed on the 1871 census are i think the children of William Price and Lucretia Cuddeford, as far as i know Lucretia only had one child with Joseph Harman and that was Eliza born abt 1863.

thanks for looking
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 14 June 11 08:10 BST (UK)
Hi Carol.  ;D

Did not get replies, good to see the extra information you found.

Missing pages and further posting from nvb272 looks like the end.  :(

Any idea when William died. ?

Sandy
Title: Re: Joseph Harman-mariner(brickwall)
Post by: JanT on Friday 15 June 12 20:07 BST (UK)
Hi, not sure if you're still researching this but I was interested to see this post when I was searching for Three Colt Court for Louisa Cuddeford/Price/Harman in the 1861.  She was my GG Grandmother.  I know Joseph was residing at 36 Blanchard Road, Dalston, in 1871 whilst Louisa was living in Tottenham, so they didn't seem to stay together very long.
I know his daughter Elizabeth married George Bunyan and her half sister Emma Price married George's brother Josiah.  It's all very confusing isn't it.
Best Wishes
Jan