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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Martin17 on Friday 10 June 11 07:14 BST (UK)
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I have the marriage certificate of William Lawson marrying Elizabeth Mooney nee Nugent, a widow on 17th July 1893 at Gateshead. William is recorded as being 22 years old and a Quarryman. His father is recorded as being Robert and employed as a sackmaker. William is residing at 37 Argyll Street, Gateshead.
On the 1901, it has William recorded as what appears to be 48 years old, born in Alnwick, not sure why he is now 48, married to Emily. Not sure why Elizabeth is now Emily, but it is the right family as I have checked with the children on the 1891 and 1911 where Emily goes back to being Elizabeth, and those children that can tie in do tie in, also on the 1901 James Nugent is residing with the family and recorded as father in law, which ties in with the marriage certificate. On the 1901 all the children are recorded as being born at Gateshead.
My dilema with William is, is he the son of Robert and Margaret, born at Shotton Colliery, Durham where his ages seems to fit his marriage certificate which is 1871, or is it with Robert and Elizabeth born at Alnwick, where William's birth is recorded as Alnwick on the 1901 and by the census is that bit older.
I would be grateful for any help or advice on the above
Regards
Martin
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In the 1901 census, the William you found is 40 year old!
Reference RG13, Piece 4758, Folio 120, Page 37
64 & 66 Camperdown Street, Gateshead
Lawson, William Head M 40 Tramway Labourer b Alnwick, Northumberland
Lawson, Emily Wife F 42 n b Gateshead
Lawson, Theresa Daughter F 19 General Servant (Domestic) b Gateshead
Lawson, Emily Daughter F 15 General Servant (Domestic) b Gateshead
Lawson, Willie Son M 12 b Gateshead
Lawson, John Son M 14 b Gateshead
Lawson, Annie Daughter F 10 b Gateshead
Lawson, Edward Son M 6 b Gateshead
Lawson, Robert Son M 2 b Gateshead
Trow, James Lodger M 23 General Labourer b Essex
Nugent, James Father-in-Law Widower M 72 Generl Labourer b Ireland
That still puts his age 10 years out, but closer to 1871! ;D
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Hi KGarrad
Thank you for getting back to me.
I was not sure if William was 40 or 48 when I looked at the census. I ran with 48. As you say it gets him closer to 1871 or could he be the son of Robert and Elizabeth born about 1865 at Alnwick ?
Regards
Martin
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Out of curiosity - what was Elizabeth's age on the marriage certificate?
If she was 12 years older than William, it is quite likely he would have "adjusted" his age?
Looking at FreeBMD for William Lawson births in Alnwick, 1857 to 1875, throws up 4 possibilities:
March qtr 1862, Alnwick, Vol 10b, Page 304
December qtr 1864, Alnwick, Vol 10b, Page 301
June qtr 1870, Alnwick Vol 10b, Page 340
March qtr 1873, Alnwick Vol 10b, Page 372
The 1870 birth looks favourite to me ;D
Maybe you could order the certificate, but clearly state that father's name is Robert?
If a match is found, then you'll have the mother's name also.
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Hi KGarrad
Elizabeth Mooney is recorded as being 36 years old on the marriage certificate. She is recorded as being a widow and her father is recorded as being James Nugent, employed as an Ironworker. Elizabeth is residing at 35 Argyll Street, most likely the house next door to William
William is recorded as being 22 years old on the marriage certificate. I thought he would have "adjusted" his age to have made him even older.
I will have a closer look at the Williams you have provided.
Regards
Martin
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Elizabeth Mooney is recorded as being 36 years old on the marriage certificate.
That's making sense now!
Either William changed his age, or the enumerator assumed they were closer in age, and 40 was entered as age in the 1901 census.
He would, in fact, have been 30.
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Hi
I’m a distant relative of William Lawson son of Robert Lawson and Elizabeth from Alnwick you mention.
Robert was the brother of my 2 x great grandfather also called William (b 1847 Alnwick)
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Hi Kirsty
I did the Lawson research for a friend, so not my main research. I am sure I have my notes and research for this somewhere in a folder or on the computer.
Please give me a few days to have a look and hopefully I will be able to update you with what I researched.
Kind regards
Martin
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Hi Martin
Yes this would be fantastic - thank you. Was the friend a relation to the Lawsons from Alnwick. They were quite a big family.
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty
I have found my folder, it was just a direct line back, his father, his father etc. The friends mother was born a Lawson, but descended from William Lawson and Elizabeth Mooney Lawson, nee Nugent.
Kind regards
Martin
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Do you know what year this William was born? It has to be a siblings child of my great x 2 grandfather as on my direct line I can’t find any marriage to a Elizabeth nugent. So I think it could be a sibling of my great x 2 grandfather one of his siblings then one of their children. Without knowing the info you have I can’t link the line
Regards
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty
I have a marriage certificate for William Lawson aged 22 years, bachelor, marrying Elizabeth Mooney, aged 36 years, widow. William is employed as a quarryman and residing 37 Argyle Street, Gateshead and his father is Robert Lawson employed as a sack maker.
Elizabeth Mooney residing 35 Argyle Street, Gateshead, her father is James Nugent, employed as an iron worker, witnesses to marriage are James Nugent and Ellen Mullen or Mallen.
The marriage took place at St Josephs Church, Gateshead on 17th July 1893.
How does this fit in with what you have ?
Kind regards
Martin
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Hi
So I have a lot of William Lawsons on my fathers line as it seems to have been a name that was passed down through generations but then William was a very popular name then so may be a different family?
I don’t have a William Lawson marrying a Elizabeth Mooney in my findings so far but that maybe cos I haven’t dug into that line to much. I do have a William Lawson who’s parents we’re Robert Lawson and Elizabeth nee Simm all of Alnwick.
If these are the parents on your William then we are looking at the same family. If it is the same Robert Lawson, he was the older brother to my 2nd great grandfather. If you can let me know if you have Williams parents as Robert and Elizabeth Simm then we can work with this 🙂
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Hi Kirsty
I do have the parents of the William in my research, they are Robert Lawson and Elizabeth Lawson, nee Gott. I believe they married in 1890 at Durham. I believe Elizabeth was William's second wife, his first wife being Margaret who I believe died in 1883 aged 45 years in the district of Chester le Street. Robert and Margaret's children were born in Hetton le Hole and Shotton Colliery.
Robert, born about 1833 is recorded as being a blacksmith from 1851 census aged 18 years and on subsequent census carries the same trade and is recorded as being born Hetton le Hole. I have Robert recorded as being the son of Roger and Jane Lawson, Roger born about 1801 at Newcastle upon Tyne. A lot of Roberts life appears to revolve around Hetton le Hole.
At this stage we appear to have no direct connection, but if you think there is a connection please do not hesitate to contact me again.
Good luck with your research.
Kind regards
Martin
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Hi
I haven’t came across any Gotts or Rodger’s in my research so has to be a different family.Some of my Lawsons ended up in Houghton Le Spring. It’s tough researching as you have to get it right. Good luck and if you do come across any links please feel free to comment and I’ll always reply and help where I can.
Kirsty