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Need help to find 2 more children of Frederick Henry Dwyer/Dyer and Esther Montague.
born c1888 male????,
Esther Eliza 1890,
Norman 1892,
Hilda 1895,
Victor Frederick 1901,
Henry 1903,
Frederick Henry 1905,
Hazel 1904,
Linda Isabella 1911,
Born 1914 Male ???
Hope there is someone out there that can help me please.
Thankyou,
Lynne
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I was searching WWI entries as a possible
Where did the family live?
This will also be needed if someone is able to check birth fiche
BYe
althea
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Frederick Henry was born in Hamillton NZ but married in Auckland and died in Auckland NZ as did Esther so the children may have all born in Auckland.
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1893 and 1896 Electoral roll there is a FREDERICK HENRY DYER in auckland
a TAILOR at Symonds Street auckland
Was that his occupation..just to show whereabouts
bye
althea
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As the marriage wan;t until 1890
was Montague Esther's maiden name or previous marriage
just wonder because of this birth in1888
1888/945 Montague John parents: Ether and John
Bye
althea
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Frederick was a tailor in Auckland, as for Esther it says on Fredericks Death Cert to whom married Esther Montague, I haven't got their marriage cert as yet,
cheers Lynne
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When and how old is Esther when she dies?
there is this esther via Auckland library shipping
Name MONTAGUE, Esther
Vessel BRODICK CASTLE: Mar 24 1876
Notes 7 years old
along with family members mother Eliza and Father John
Bye
althea
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Hello,
On Fredericks headstone Esther Dyer Died 14 dec 1949 @ 80,
I also found another Esther Montague married to a John Alex Bourhill in 1877 on the Historical records.
Lynne
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The death then is consistent with the Mary that arrives in 1876 who is born c1869
Bye
althea
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Born 1914 Male ???
Hello....
Just wondering how accurate your source is regarding 1914. I only ask because according to the BDM NZ website several of the birth years you've mentioned are off by a year or two (see below). Maybe 1914 is off too.
the children may have all been born in Auckland.
I checked the BDM Births fiche for four of the children and their births were all registered in Auckland.
Couldn't check them all sorry as I was short for time.
There is only one male DYER birth registered in Auckland in 1914. I can't post his BDM Births details on the board (because of the 100 year rule) but I can post his BDM Deaths details (because of the 80 year rule). The BDM website (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2FqueryEntry.m%3Ftype%3Ddeaths) registration number is 1984/34551
He's listed on the Waikumete Cemetery (http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx) website. His death notice is mentioned in the Seton Kellaway Collection. Maybe you can ask for a look-up to see if any siblings are mentioned.
There is also only one male DWYER birth registered in Auckland in 1914. Again I can't post his BDM Births details (because of the 100 year rule). I also can't find a record in the usual places for his death. But if you want the BDM Births fiche details it's no problem to PM them to you.
born c1888 male?
I looked one year either side of 1888 for Auckland births. There didn't seem to be any DWYER's. There were a few DYER's.
1887/3479 Walter Edwin DYER and Ruby Gordon DYER (twins?)
1888/139 Bertie DYER
1889 - No males
Here are the BDM website listings I mentioned earlier, some of which disagree with your source.
Esther Eliza 1890
BDM NZ 1890/12905 DYER, Esther Eliza - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Norman 1892
born 30 Mar 1893
BDM NZ 1893/5775 DWYER, Norman - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Hilda 1895
BDM NZ 1895/18654 DWYER, Hilda - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Victor Frederick 1901
born 28 Oct 1899
BDM NZ 1899/18135 DWYER, Victor Frederick - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Henry 1903
born 2 Dec 1901
BDM NZ 1902/663 DYER, Henry - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Hazel 1904
born 12 Nov 1906
BDM NZ 1906/18164 DYER, Hazel - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Frederick Henry 1905
born 8 Jun 1904
BDM NZ 1904/3999 DYER, Frederick Henry - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Linda Isabella 1911
born 25 Mar 1910
BDM NZ 1910/7167 DYER, Linda Isabella - child of Esther and Frederick Henry
Regards
Beg
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Hello Beg,
thankyou for your reply, I worked out the dates off Fredericks death cert, then found them on the BDM site and never got back to changing them on this site very sorry. I will be going to Auckland in a couple of weeks so will be doing some research up there.
Thankyou again for your help
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
I have sent you a PM with info
Cheers Janette
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Hello Janette,
Thankyou for your reply. Some children were born Dyer and some Dwyer so it is very hard to find all the children. So you think the 1914 child might be Gordon Dyer. I will have to wait till i get to Auckland or send for a birth or death cert. I know Esther Eliza was married to James Robert Long and Linda Isabella was married to George Mathews, but haven't got the other childrens marriage yet still working on that.
Thankyou again for the information.
Cheers Lynne
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Hello Janette,
I have got back a cert today for the child born about 1888 his name is John Dyer death 1954 in Auckland , unmarried and buried at Waikumete.
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
Here is the Waikumete entry
DYER, JOHN
Plot : N/A
Interment Type: Cremation
Title: MR
Surname : DYER
Given Names: JOHN
Age : 65
Gender : Male
Occupation: INVALID
Date Of Death : 20-Oct-1954
Date Of Cremation : N/A
Date Of Burial : N/A
Funeral Director : TJ MCIVOR
Head Stone Details : N/A
Cheers Janette
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Hello Janette,
Thankyou for that, now just got to do the child born about 1914 whos name you suggested, then on to Fredericks Sister which i have most of the names but one.
Cheers
Lynne
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*bump* I'm researching this branch of the Dyer/Dwyer family too. There is a photo of the family plot at Purewa Cemetery on Find a Grave (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=104688199&PIpi=74801836).
The main headstone mentions Frederick Henry Dyer (d. 1937) and his wife Esther Dyer (nee Montague) (d. 1949) and there is also a later plaque for John Dyer (d. 1954); Esther Eliza Long (1890-1970) (nee Dyer), and presumably her husband James Andrew Long.
Apparently John was cremated at Waikumete (http://waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=43971) but his ashes were interred at Purewa (http://www.purewa.co.nz/details.asp?id=24602&type=Ashes%20Burial).
I cannot find a birth record for John on the BDM web site under the spelling DYER or DWYER. As he died aged 65 he must have been born around 1888. Since Frederick and Esther were not married until 1890 I am wondering if John was adopted/child of a previous marriage/born overseas, or something like that?
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Hello Felix,
I have a death cert of John Dyer age 65 and he was born in Auckland New Zealand. May I ask where you fit into the Dyer Family Tree please.
Cheers
Lynne
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Hi Lynne
It's complicated, but I may well be from a long-lost branch of the family. :)
I understood all ten children were born in Auckland but John's birth c.1888 doesn't seem to be listed on the NZ Births Deaths & Marriages (https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home) site.
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OK, this is post#3. For the record the death certificate of Frederick Henry DYER (1867-1937) indicates that he was the son of James DYER (variously spelled DWYER) and Isabella POOLE.
As young Frederick is named as a "neglected child" in the Auckland Star court reports (http://tinyurl.com/oadaxqd) of 5/3/1877 I would infer that the marriage was not a happy one.
The NZBDM web site indicates that James and Isabella had another son named Arthur in 1865, who may have died young.
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As the marriage wasn't until 1890 was Montague Esther's maiden name or previous marriage
just wonder because of this birth in1888
1888/945 Montague John parents: Ether and John
I now have the birth certificate for this John MONTAGUE. Mother's maiden name is given as Ether WOOD, age 26, born Woolwich (c. 1862). So, not the same Esther MONTAGUE (born c. 1869) who married Frederick Henry DYER in 1890. This still leaves us with a missing birth record for John DYER (1889?-1954), which again leads me to wonder if he may have been adopted.
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Hello David,
I have Johns death cert it says he was born in Auckland and that he was an Invalid, I had a look on the online BDM but couldn't see any Johns born at that time, may have to go to the library and look at the fiche's there. With Arthurs death cert not much on there.
Lynne