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Have just come across references to this family. I am descended from George Poulson and his second wife Mary Ann nee Hughes. (aka Marian).
The first daughter of this marriage, Joanna, married John Henry James, a master mariner who died off the coast of Nigeria. Their 2nd daughter Ellen Louisa married my gt. grandfather Charles Henry Thompson, an accountant in Manchester. George and Mary Ann had a number of daughters who all seem to have married - 4 in Newcastle - to Murray, Asquith Dobson, Weddell and Gilmour.
Another daughter Eliza married William Smith, a mariner and Elizabeth Ann managed to fit in 4 husbands over 10 years, Craggs, Davies, Cain and Sutherland. His eldest daughter Alice by his first wife married a John Savage who worked for the Mersey Docks and Harbour board, as did their son.
There was a son by first marriage who appears to have died and another George who was baptised twice in Preston and L'pool. Of him I can find no trace, no apparent death anywhere.
George was a tobacconist (or tobacco manufacturer) in Jordan Street, and 51 Upper Harrington Street. Also Simpson Street and New Hall Street.. In 1861 Census Mary Ann was to be found in Birmingham living with two girl lodgers and was described as a tobacconist. No trace of George at that time altho' he is listed in directory. He marries for a third time and dies in Amlwych, Anglesey.
Look forward to hearing from connections.
Gabrielle W
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Hiya Gabrielle and welcome to Rootschat...firstly there are 2 members on here, myself being one of them , with Savage from Liverpool in our tree...unfortunately ,you have not posted any dates...
my Savage are from Edge Hill, Liverpool ,who marries my grandads sister and moves to Garston.Liverpool where my family are from....I have cousins with children and grandchildren and great grandchildren...all Savage ...
do you have a Herbert Savage in your tree ??...this name appears every generation in my tree....Herbert Savage b 1906 was my uncle Bert....his daughter will be able to tell me Berts dad as he was her grandad.... 3 of Berts children are still alive in their 70`s and 80`s....anyway...before we can progress we need some dates please...ie
Alice Poulson married John Savage.....
right...just checked lancsbmd
1839 John Savage to Alice Poulson at Our Lady St Nicholas and St Anne
ok...so now I know we are researching PRE 1837 records...be back soon
allan
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Alice Poulson babtised 2nd september 1821 at St Paul,Liverpool
daughter of George Poulson and Ellen
abode Smithfield Street
occupation a Tobaccanist
babtised by R Litler
George Poulson babtised 3rd July 1825 St Paul
son of George and Ellen
same abode Smithfield St / Tobaccanist
so there`s another address for you ...lol
marriage 6th August 1820 at St Mary , Walton on the Hill
George Poulson Tobaccanist
Ellen Pickavance spinster
witnes Edward Musker and James Mercer
married by Thomas Moss
marriage 5th October 1828 St Nicholas ,Liverpool
George Poulson
Mary Ann Hughes spinster
married by Thomas Johnson
babtisms for children of George Poulson and Mary Ann Hughes all at St Peter church.Liverpool
18th aug 1829 Joanna Poulson .......abode is Edgar Street
30th jan 1831 Elizabeth Ann Poulson............abode Simpson Street
16th june 1839 Eliza Poulson................abode Jordan Street
25th Aug 1844 George Poulson ............abode Jordan Street
SORRY I can`t find the babtism of Ellen Louisa Poulson....your gg grandmother
there is a death for George Poulson 2nd July 1826 aged 17 months / father George ...so although babtised 3rd July 1825, he may have been born jan /feb 1825.......
allan
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Does it say on 1841 census that Mary Ann Poulson was born Manchester ?
allan
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Hi,
Great to have your message. Only discovered Rootschat last night and was so anxious to post a message that I did everything from memory. I am still working out how to do it!
I have a lot of paper relating to these families accumulated over the years which I put to one side in order to concentrate on other branches and it will take a while to sort them out. So please bear with me!
Anyway, 'my' Savage - John (b.1821) who married Alice Poulson, was the son of Benjamin Savage and Hannah. Ben and Hannah had at least 10 children between 1817 and 1832, all except one bapt. at Liverpool St Peter. There may have been more children and I probably found these on IGI some years ago when I first started on my tree. So many more records have become available on line that I have started updating my Poulson/Savage link. I can find no Herberts in that branch.
I had a long correspondence a while back with R Paul Higham who was related to the Savages and was distantly connected to mine. Perhaps you have heard from him. We did speak on phone and exchanged photos - he was living in Bahamas, I think and returned to England and family but I did not hear from him this Christmas.
I am delighted to get the date of George's first marriage and the surname of his first wife - Pickavance - a good name to research.
Will continue later. Gabrielle
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Gabrielle ...go to
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html to research your Pickavance rellies
allan
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Back again!
Sorry to be misleading. Joanna Poulson ( first daughter of George and Mary Ann ) married John Henry James, a mariner and they had four children, John Henry in 1850, Mary Elizabeth in 1851, Ellen Louisa (my gt. grandmother) in 1857. ( She married a Manchester accountant - Charles Henry Thompson. ) and Florence in 1859. All born in Liverpool. I think Mary Ann P was born in Liverpool but I would need to dig up 1851/61 censuses.
Gabrielle.
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The are many many Mary Ann Hughes ...but.....this one looks a possible because of her fathers occupation
born 1st July 1802
babtised 7th november 1802 at St Paul Liverpool
Mary Ann Hughes
daughter of Edward Hughes and Martha
fathers occupation TOBACCONIST
abode Silkhouse Lane
might just be a coincidence...she would have been 25 when she married George Poulson....seems too much of a coincidence don`t you think ??
allan
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Thanks Allan,
As you say there are many Mary Ann Hughes -but that seems a possibility. I have her down as b.1803 based on census but the fact her father was a tobacconist is interesting and it might be worth investigating the Hughes line. George and Mary Ann's youngest child George was baptised twice, the first time in Preston where George seems to have been working temporarily as a publican. He later becomes a tobacconist in New Hall St, and later in U. Harrington Street - I wonder if his father in law helps him with this.
Gabrielle.
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I am so THRILLED to find this forum and especially this thread! I have had a dead end at Alice Poulson and John Savage for years. Alice Poulson was my Grandmother's grandmother and I actually have a tiny leather bound Bible with Alice Poulson and John Savage's names written on the flyleaf.
I've suspected for a long time that George was her father and I appreciate the verification.
So my question is more on the Savage line. Alice Poulson and John Savage had three girls, Annie, Elizabeth and Nel. Then I think I found three boys. You say there were at least 10 kids. At any rate, I only know about the three girls who apparently were their youngest. Elizabeth was my great grandmother and immigrated to the US (Fremont County, Colorado) when my grandmother (Mary Elizabeth Alice Pook) was a baby. Aunt Nel and a cousin named Marie Bruce came with them as well as my grandmother's half-brother Albert Henry Pitt.
I will bounce of this thread and see if I can find one that might be discussing Savage/Pook/Pitt families but I know at least one of you is following the Savage line.
At any rate, very happy to have found you and hope I can share things in the future to help you as well.
Kathi Arthur in western Colorado, USA
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Hiya Kathi....and welcome to Rootschat....looks like you and Gabrielle are connected....can you give us some dates that you have so we can help you in your research....ie
Albert Henry Pitt ...his year of birth
was Mary Elizabeth Alice Pook born in june qtr 1909 in Axbridge ,Somerset ?
allan
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Hi, Kathi,
Delighted to find your message. Have been off line for a few days. George Poulson was my gt. grandmother's grandfather. Gt.grandmother was Ellen Louisa James, daughter of Joanna Poulson, George's eldest daughter by his second wife Mary Ann Hughes. Alice Poulson was George's daughter by his first wife Ellen Pickavance (recent info thanks to Rootschat).
So much has come on line since I first started researching this family about 20 years ago. I thought I had come to a dead end but recent sites plus 1911 census have uncovered more descendants and it is so exciting to find lcving relatives. I thought some of the family might have gone to US as I recently found Annie L M Bailey returning to Liverpool on Carmania with children Meta 13, Victor 11 which suggests they may have paid a visit. Was Elizabeth's husband John Sutcliffe, married 1890 and did their daughter married a Pook. There are Pooks in Liverpool (RC?)
How exciting to have the bible. Do you have photograps and stories about the family. John and Alice certainly had a large family. Will break off now and let you have more details later.
Regards,
Gabrielle.
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Hi Kathi,
Alice and John Savage had Benjamin Poulson S- 1839, Thomas Crompton 1842, James Christopher 1844, Joseph Geo. 1847 John Jones 1851, Richard ? 1853,William Frederick 1857 then the three girls. Joseph G. married Jane Bryson - they had Miriam A (? m Charles Rimmer 1907) Ethel, Edmund D, d.WW1 and George H. George H m Ethel Eburth 1921. Joseph G died 1918. Benjamin P died 1840, James Christopher commercial clerk, m Isabel B Moore 1876 had Alice M and Ethel (1881 census). James C died 1882. I have a query bout a James Henry Savage b and d 1865 - twin of Ellen A B?.(? Marriage for Ellen A B, your aunt Nel?) Some of these dates are based on censuses and old IGI so there may be more grandchildren for Alice and John.
I shall be most interested to hear about the family in US. Regards Gabrielle
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I’m not very good at being concise and I have so many questions that I don’t know where to start. The good news is (not included here) I have lots to share about Elizabeth Savage (my great grandmother) and her family after they immigrated to the US. So here goes.
To answer Allan’s questions: 1) Albert Henry Pitt (Harry) was born 18 Dec 1898, I don’t know where. More on my research about him later. 2) Mary Elizabeth Alice Pook was born 15 April 1909 at Axbridge, Somerset (my grandmother).
Gabrielle: Thanks so much for the information on the rest of Alice and John Savages kids. I didn’t know any of that!
I grew up knowing that John Savage and Alice Poulson had three girls: Annie Latham Maud Savage (1861), Elizabeth Harriett Savage (8 Jan 1863) and Ellen Alice Bruce Savage (June 1865).
Annie stayed in England, married Charles Walker, and had at least two children. On the 1891 Census, John Savage, widower, father-in-law, aged 70 lived with them. But how is he was a widower because on the 1901 Census, Alice Savage, widow, is found living with daughters Elizabeth and Ellen and visitor Marie Bruce. Can’t find Alice Savage on any 1891 Census.
Ellen immigrated to the US with the Pook family. She never married. Known as Aunt Nel, she raised my grandmother and (Harry while their mother nursed for other families in the ranching and gold mining communities of south-central Colorado. Mr. Pook died in Colorado 15 April 1918 in the worldwide influenza epidemic. It made an impression on my grandmother because her father died on her ninth birthday.
Elizabeth Savage is found running The Fox establishment at 15 Peter Street in Bristol from 1892-1906. The 1901 Census has Elizabeth as a “licensed victualler, owner”. Mother Alice Savage, sister Ellen Savage and visitor Marie Bruce live with her. Elizabeth married Henry James Pook (b. 1855) on 18 Feb 1906. He may or may not be the Henry James Pook who was previously married to Lucy Learmouth.
Here’s where I start wondering about Harry. My grandmother always called Harry her half-brother and he is listed as Elizabeth’s son with a surname of Pook when they immigrated. But where is Harry on the 1901 Census? On another 1901 Census there is an Albert H Pett, son, b. abt 1899, parents James E Pett and Harriet H (Pett mis-transcribed; should be Pitt). James is the son of Edwin Pitt. And on another 1901 Census, Edwin and Mary Pitt have a 3 year old named Henry Savage, listed as adopted son, living with them!
So I’ve been going in circles trying to figure out how Albert Henry Pitt became part of our family and if he was even biologically related, or perhaps my great grandmother had him out of wedlock.
Henry Pook immigrated to the US in June 1910. Elizabeth, sister Ellen, daughter Mary, son Harry and niece Marie Bruce immigrated on the same ship in October 1910.
Another mystery is Marie Bruce. She was listed as visitor on censuses, living with Elizabeth and is listed as niece on immigration records. My grandmother always said Marie was her cousin. Last name Bruce must be a family name since Aunt Nel was named “Ellen Alice Bruce Savage.”
I knew Marie Bruce as Aunt Marie because my grandmother married Loren Arthur and Marie married Harold Arthur, Loren’s uncle. So where did Marie Bruce come from and why was she living with Elizabeth since she was 7 or younger?
I recently realized that John Savage and Alice Poulson had three boys (James, Joshua and John) as well as the three girls I knew about. It was like they had two families. The youngest boy was about ten years older than the oldest girl. Was John “gone” between 1850 and 1860? Now I'm thrilled to look into the information on this family that Gabrielle provided!
I know that is extreme overload but I really did try to give you the short version! I’ve also veered very much off the Poulson path that this thread intended. Of course, I will continue to work on the Poulson and Savage ancestors. This is all such fun!
Again, I’m very excited to meet some new “cousins”! Thanks for corresponding with me.
Take care. Kathi
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Oops. I obviously didn't think my last post through as well as I thought I had. Given Gabrielle's clue, I found Annie Latham Maud Savage marriage record to Albert Matthew Hallstead Bailey. Thank you, Gabrielle! That also made me realize that Annie was not married to Charles Walker. That was a different Annie whose father was a different John Savage born about the same time as ours. So that straightens out my problem with John Savage being a widower (wrong John Savage) in 1891 and then Alice Poulson Savage still being alive in 1901. Sorry about that.
I also found the Carmania record with Annie, Victor and Meta but I'm not sure that's our Annie as the record was for June 1910 and Elizabeth and family didn't immigrate until October 1910.
More later. -- Kathi
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There are more Poulsons in Liverpool than one would expect
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I know dozens of Poulsons especially seeing that my name is Terence Poulson but not many in the phone book
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:)HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL POULSON FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD
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Have just come across references to this family. I am descended from George Poulson and his second wife Mary Ann nee Hughes. (aka Marian).
The first daughter of this marriage, Joanna, married John Henry James, a master mariner who died off the coast of Nigeria. Their 2nd daughter Ellen Louisa married my gt. grandfather Charles Henry Thompson, an accountant in Manchester. George and Mary Ann had a number of daughters who all seem to have married - 4 in Newcastle - to Murray, Asquith Dobson, Weddell and Gilmour.
Another daughter Eliza married William Smith, a mariner and Elizabeth Ann managed to fit in 4 husbands over 10 years, Craggs, Davies, Cain and Sutherland. His eldest daughter Alice by his first wife married a John Savage who worked for the Mersey Docks and Harbour board, as did their son.
There was a son by first marriage who appears to have died and another George who was baptised twice in Preston and L'pool. Of him I can find no trace, no apparent death anywhere.
George was a tobacconist (or tobacco manufacturer) in Jordan Street, and 51 Upper Harrington Street. Also Simpson Street and New Hall Street.. In 1861 Census Mary Ann was to be found in Birmingham living with two girl lodgers and was described as a tobacconist. No trace of George at that time altho' he is listed in directory. He marries for a third time and dies in Amlwych, Anglesey.
Look forward to hearing from connections.
Gabrielle W
Have just come across references to this family. I am descended from George Poulson and his second wife Mary Ann nee Hughes. (aka Marian).
The first daughter of this marriage, Joanna, married John Henry James, a master mariner who died off the coast of Nigeria. Their 2nd daughter Ellen Louisa married my gt. grandfather Charles Henry Thompson, an accountant in Manchester. George and Mary Ann had a number of daughters who all seem to have married - 4 in Newcastle - to Murray, Asquith Dobson, Weddell and Gilmour.
Another daughter Eliza married William Smith, a mariner and Elizabeth Ann managed to fit in 4 husbands over 10 years, Craggs, Davies, Cain and Sutherland. His eldest daughter Alice by his first wife married a John Savage who worked for the Mersey Docks and Harbour board, as did their son.
There was a son by first marriage who appears to have died and another George who was baptised twice in Preston and L'pool. Of him I can find no trace, no apparent death anywhere.
George was a tobacconist (or tobacco manufacturer) in Jordan Street, and 51 Upper Harrington Street. Also Simpson Street and New Hall Street.. In 1861 Census Mary Ann was to be found in Birmingham living with two girl lodgers and was described as a tobacconist. No trace of George at that time altho' he is listed in directory. He marries for a third time and dies in Amlwych, Anglesey.
Look forward to hearing from connections.
Gabrielle W
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Hello there,
I'm a Liverpool Poulson and I've recently been looking up my family tree...the furthest back I can get is Christopher Poulson (born about 1735), married to Margaret Serjeant/Sergeant. He was a sugar baker. His children were Christopher Poulson (1764-1820), Ann Poulson (1766-1779) and George Poulson (1771-1778). If anyone has any info that ties in with this tree I'd be most grateful to see it!
Thank you
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Thank you, Hpoulson ... will add Christopher to database asap.
I already have Nicholas Poulson sugarbaker married 1758, children 1766-77, and the late Thomas Poulson 1795 sugarbaker (both Liverpool) on the database ... are they related to Christopher, I wonder ?
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I had put Thomas in my notes as a possible brother to Christopher Poulson c1770 and also that put Thomas was a sugarbaker
I also have George Poulson bap 1771 st Nicholas Liverpool as possible brother to Christopher
Just noticed this is another thread that I haven't seen before with a lot more info.
I shall have to have another look at the Savage connection etc. I do have that surname elsewhere in my tree.
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Hi
everyone,
Just wondering if this thread is still active, as I have Poulsons from Liverpool.
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quote -and the late Thomas Poulson 1795 sugarbaker (both Liverpool) on the database ... are they related to Christopher, I wonder ?
I wonder if this is Thomas born 1795 parents ?? the groom is Thomas Poulson a Sugar Baker
Marriage: 21 Jul 1794 St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Poulson - Sugar Baker, Liverpool
Jane Shepherd - (X), Widow, Same Parish
Witness: Robt. Bispham; Wm. Huyton
Married by Banns by: Richard Loxham
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Hi yes still interested in anything to do with the Poulsons. I do DNA match Shepherd so that's a possible for parents.
I tend to use DNA a lot now it's helpful but sometimes you forget the tree which is very important.
I have the father of Christopher and George as Christopher c1750. Just got to look at my DNA matches as one did have Mothers surname as Sergeant sorry spelling may be wrong. Her name was Margaret Sergeant c1741 to 1806.