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you helped me find my gt gt grandfather Thomas. I applied for his marriage certificate and his father was Ralph Heald Thomas was 20 years old when he married at Leeds Parish church.
in 1855.
Now all the Healds came from North Leeds they have all lived within a few streets of each other..even my own father today still lives in the same area.
The only Ralph in N.Leeds died age 1. the other Ralph lived in Rothwell..
i just don`t see him having any connection to my family..
how do i link a relative..when it has now gone beyond the census and certificate boundaries..
i am at a complete loss..
any help would be very grateful
very best regards
julles ??? ???
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Hi,
Have you found the family group on the 1841 census?
If not I would start there. If Thomas has younger sibblings born after the start of civil registration in 1837 you can send off for their birth certificate. This would give you the mother's maiden name and the place the family were at that time.
The next step would then be Parish registers.
Is it possible that Ralph was the Father's middle name?
Hope this gives you something to work with
Sue
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Hi Julles
What exactly does it say on the marriage certificate ??? Post all the details inc. occupations, addresses, witnesses etc. and perhaps somebody can spot something or come up with another idea or two?
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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HI,
MANY THANKS FOR YOUR QUICK REPLIES.
ON THE M.CERT.IT SAYS 17TH FEB 1855-THE PARISH CHURCH OF LEEDS. THOMAS HEALD M.SARAH ANN PARKER AGES 20 & 19 RESP. THOMAS LIVED AT MASON STREET.THAT IS OFF REGENT ST IN LEEDS NEAR BY THE BRUNSWICK BREWERY.
SARAH LIVED AT MILLWRIGHT ST. THEY ARE A COUPLE OF STREETS APART.(WHEN MY GT GRANDAD HARRY WAS BORN TO THEM THEY WERE LIVING 2 STREETS APART AGAIN IN SAINT ST.)
RALPH HEALD IS AN ENGINEMAN AND JOHN PARKER IS A CLOTH DRESSER.
THE WITNESSES ARE GEORGE HOWITT AND HIS WIFE ELIZA WHO SIGNED WITH A CROSS.(THEY WERE MARRIED 2 YEARS BEFORE AT THE SAME CHURCH)
I WILL LOOK ON THE 1841 CENSUS BUT I DIDN`T KNOW IT HAD MUCH INFORMATION ON IT..
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THOMAS`S MOTHER OF ANY SIBLINGS
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP I WILL GET ON IT
I HOPE SOMEONE RECOGNIZES SOMETHING
BEST REGARDS
JULES
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OH ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT NO ONE IN MY FAMILY EVER HAS A MIDDLE NAME...THYE DON`T LIKE TO MAKE IT TOO EASY...THOMAS`S GRANDSON MY GRANDDAD WAS SQUIRE THAT IS THE ONLY UNUSUAL NAME
MANY THANKS
JULLES
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HI,
You are right the information on the 1841 is limited. For place of birth it is just within the census county or not.
However if you are sure the family will be in the same area, you should be able to identify Thomas with his Father, particularly as you say he is most unlikely to have a name other than Ralph.
If you are going to be looking through Parish registers it may help to know the names of others in the family group.
Good luck with your search
Sue
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HI,
I DID AS YOU ADVISED AND LOOKED ON THE CENSUS..I LOOKED ON THE 1851 WHEN MY GT GT GRANDDAD WAS 16.
HIS FATHER IS RALPH HEALD AGED 49 AND HE WAS BORN IN MIDDLETON.
HIS WIFE IS ELIZABETH HEALD AGE 48 B. KIRKBURTON
WILLIAM SON AGE 23 B.LEEDS
HARRIET DAU AGE 20 B.LEEDS
THOMAS SON AGE 16 B.LEEDS
GEORGE SON AGE 13 B. LEEDS
AND THE BEST THING OF ALL IS THAT THEY WERE LIVING IN LEEDS NORTH...NO ADDRESS RECORDED..
IT PUTS THEM RIGHT BACK IN THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD..
SO RALPH MUST HAVE BEEN BORN IN 1802 ISH.
DO YOU THINK I AM ON THE RIGHT TRACK ????
ALL HELP MUCH APPRECIATED
BEST REGARDS
JULLES
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Hi,
Everything seems to point in the right direction.
You could even try for George's birth certificate as he should be included in the civil registration.
I would still be tempted to look for the family on the 1841. The eldest child on the 1851 is 23. They could have had more children who had left home by 1851. If you can find the date of birth for the first child it wil help narrow down any search for the parents marriage date.
Sue
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Hi Julles
Perhaps Rothwell does have some significance:
Ralph son of John & Isabella HEALD of Middleton baptised at Rothwell Holy Trinity 28 Nov 1802.
It's certainly worth thinking about.
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net
Like Sue suggests, I would definitely try to find the family in 1841 and then the baptisms for Thomas & his siblings but it looks like you're on the right track :D
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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:)HI AGAIN,
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP. I HAVE BEEN BEAVERING AWAY AND I CAME UP WITH RALPH AND (BETTY SMITH) ELIZABETH SMITH. MARRIED ON THE 08/04/1822.
SUSANNA B.20/10/1822 DIED AGE 7 16/02/1830 B. ROTHWELL
JOHN 18/07/1824 M. SARAH ANNE WATSON 1847.B.LEEDS
WILLIAM 6/5/1827 B.LEEDS
ELISABETH 8/8/1828 B.KIRKBURTON
HARRIET 16/2/1830 B. ROTHWELL
THOMAS 1835 B.LEEDS
GEORGE 1838 B.LEEDS
THE FATHER OF RALPH IS JOHN HEALD AND HIS MOTHER IS ESABELL OR ISABELLA EVERS M.14/06/1784 AT ROTHWELL HOLY TRINITY
JOHN AND ESABEL KIDS ARE
MARY B.28/10/1787
JOHN B.28/2/1790
ELISABETH B. 24/4/1791
GRACE B.6/4/1794
ROBERT B.2/4/1797
BELLA B. 1/12/1799
RALPH 1802
MAYBE MORE
RALPH `S BROTHER JOHN B.1787
ON THE 1851 CENSUS WAS LIVING WITH HIS WIFE SARAH ANN
22 AND 27 RESP. IN HOLBECK
WITH A SON WILLLIAM AGE 3 AND GEORGE AGE 1
BY THE 1881 CENSUS
THEY WERE AT CARDIGAN ST HOLBECK
JOHN HEALD AGE 50 SHOEMAKER
SARAH ANN HEALD AGE 58
GEORGE HEALD UNMARRIED AGE 31 BRICKLAYER
HENRY HEALD " " 23 CART DRIVER
ALBERT " " " 21 ROUGH CUTTER BOOTS
WALTER " " " 19 BRASS FINISHER
ARTHUR " " " 17 ERRAND BOY
SARAH A " " " 13 SCHOLAR
HARRIET " " " 11 " BUR.9/3/1831 AGE 2
DO YOU THINK ALL THIS IS RELATED
I STILL NEED HELP YOU HAVE ALL BEEN SO KIND