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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: BG on Wednesday 08 June 11 12:39 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm looking for anyone with information or a connection or how I could connect with the above lady.
I have the death cert of a Arthur Joseph Going, died 1954 - at the time he owned / lived at the Lamb and Flag pub, St Giles Oxford.
H.M Hargreaves was present at death and is stated as his Step daughter. At that time she lived at rakes House Rd, Nelson, Lancs.
any help would be appreciated.
regards
Brendan
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Hi Brendan
Can you clarify if we are looking for a N M or a H M Hargreaves.
Maudarby
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I was just about to ask the same question ;D
I was trying to find his wife but there are no Going`s who died in Oxfordshire from 1916 - 2005 apart from Arthur. So I tried Lancashire where there were only 4. Oddly enough there is one in Nelson of a Constance N Going aged 73 in 1956. I wonder if she went to live with her daughter? Clutching at straws I know, but I thought I would mention it.
Mo
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Could this be Arthur 1901? His father occupation was Hotel Proprietor
Philip J Going 50 all born Chideock, Dorset, England
Mary R Going 50
Ellen Going 26
George Going 20
Philip J Going 13
Arthur J Going 11
Class: RG13; Piece: 1060; Folio: 19; Page: 29.
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free bmd birth registration of Arthur Joseph Going, June 1890 Bridport Dorset
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Hi all,
To save duplication of effort, I have just been looking at BG`s old posts and believe he is wanting to "go forward" rather than backwards. I think he has all the early information on Arthur and family.
Mo
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Mosie,
if he has all the information on Arthur does he have his marriage and then it may be easier to work out who the stepdaughter is,
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Hiya,
I honestly don`t know if he has the marriage - the posts don`t mention anything. Nothing is showing up is it? It could have been abroad as the address that his WW1 medals went to was in Georgetown, Demerara, British Guiana ::) I can find him going there, but I can`t find him coming back.
Mo
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Another question.
Was an occupation given for Arthur on the death cert which might indicate if he was the landlord of the Lamb & Flag or just a visitor?
Maudarby
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No Mosie,
I have been looking on and of for a couple of hours using different combinations and searches for a marriage for Arthur Joseph,Going gowing and Gowen,and searching passenger lists ,
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I have found him coming back to England listed as Arthur J no surname transcribed ::) Arrived in London from Demerara on 5th March, 1924.
Going Arthur J, aged 33, Merchant, 1st Class Passenger from British Guiana. Proposed address: Royal Yacht Club, Southampton.
Mo
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Very posh,
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Wow - Thanks to all who have replied ..
Sorry - I may not have made myself clear at the start.....
Arthur from Dorset is the guy I'm looking at. Yes his father was Hotel Proprietor in Southampton. I'm trying to find what happened to each of the children and if there are any current day decendents of these children - including Arthur.
I don't have Arthur's marriage.
Of His siblings:
I know Ellen married Louis O'Sullivan and had at least two daughters ( in southampton) - after that I'm lost.
I know Philip James has WW1 medal cards - the last I have of him is in the US where he tried to sign up for WW2 - beyond that I'm lost.
I know Arthur has ww1 medal cards and had a connection to B Guiana - but couldn't find any more on him - until I came across a death cert for Arthur J Going - the age does not fit exactly - but I'm hoping it is him.
The detail on the D Cert says he died on 1954 in Slade Hospital, , he was the landlord of the Lamb and Flag. His informant was his Stepdaughter N.M Hargreaves ( not H.M Hargreaves - sorry for the earlier error) of 87 rakes House Rd, Nelson Lancs.
There is also a Mary Anne and George in this family. I have traced Mary Anne and found current decendents ( unfortunately they are unaware of the rest of her siblings)
George has disappeared - he is not in the family unit in the 1911 census but he is still alive at that time - after that I've lost him - possibly killed in ww1 but I have no evidence.
There is a lot of detail here and anything anyone can do to help trace current decendents would be most welcome.
I'm happy to concentrate on Arthur but if anyone has anything on the others - I'd be delighted hear from you.
Out of curiosity Mosie - Can you tell me how/ where you located him coming back into England ? ( I'm just trying to familiarize my self with the search tools that are available ?
Once again - many thanks for your responses - hopefully I'll be able to move on a step closer.
regards
Brendan.
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Out of curiosity Mosie - Can you tell me how/ where you located him coming back into England ? ( I'm just trying to familiarize my self with the search tools that are available ?
Hi Brendan,
I found him on the incoming passenger lists on Ancestry. As we had all failed to find him with a normal search. I took a punt and just put his first name in and place of departure as Guyana/Guiana and then looked at the results. When I spotted an Arthur J with no surname I looked at the actual image and saw the surname was Going. I was hoping he would have had a wife in tow but no such luck.
It doesn`t look to me that he had any children if his stepdaughter registered his death, but I would be guessing.
When I next go to the library I will take a look to see who was living at 87 Rakes House Road, Nelson around that time and I will also check to see if there was anything in the local newspaper about the death of the Constance N Going who died in Nelson - she may just be listed in the Death Notices. Apart from her there are no Goings listed in BMD`s for the area between 1916 and 2005 so I think she is worth pursuing. I know she would have been older than Arthur but it would be nothing new.
Mo
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thanks Mo,
yes the mention of 'Step daughter' is suggesting there were no children - but would be nice to confirm.
Out of interest - do you think it is possible to search for the existence of a Will - I'm not sure if this is possible or how to go about this but it might give me a new lead ?
thanks for your offer of checking at the library - anything you find would be well received.
B.
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Hi,
Regarding if there was a will or an administration. See the following link:
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm
The application form is here:
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/pa1s_0405.pdf
N.B. I am sure that I read a thread on Rootschat not long ago that they are now charging £6.00 not £5.00 so it may be worth contacting them.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Brendan
Just been googling the Lamb & Flag & came across this site.
http://www.headington.org.uk/oxon/stgiles/tour/east/12_13_lamb.htm
If you scroll down to the bottom you will find A J Going listed 1952-1954.
Maudarby
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HI Maudarby,
yes - thanks, I had spotted that - based on this I assumed he had it leased - until his death - so I guess the significance of the Lamb and Flag Inn is not that much - except that it is the last address I have for him.
I should say that the age of this Arthur J does not exactly match the boy born in Dorset -
Death cert says aged 62 - for birth year of 1892
BDM says born in 1890.
So I'm not 100% certain it's him - but for now he is the closest I've got.
regards
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Hi Brendan
I wouldn't worry about a discrepancy of 2 years in Arthur's age on the death cert.
I've been looking in The Times online & have found A J Going mentioned twice.
1) Promoted to Lieutenant in April 1918.
2) Attending a complimentary dinner for Field Marshall Lord Haig at the Savoy Hotel in August 1924 given by overseas officers which included Captain C Griffith, Captain E H Samson & Lieutenant A J Going from British Guiana.
I know he said he was a merchant on the passenger list earlier in 1924 but I wonder if he was a regular soldier.
Maudarby
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As Arthur seems to have had a long association with the forces have you looked into his pension papers or attestation papers,yes I did see he was a Lieut in the RFA in 1923, these would give details of his next of kin,
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Hi,
I really don't know if he continued his military service -
I don't have full access to Pension papers etc so am presently gathering as much information on him as I can which might help predetermining if the information in pension papers would be useful or not.
I know very little about pension and attestation papers - Can I ask - at what stage in his life / career would pension / attestation papers be drawn up ?
In 1911 census both Arthur and Philip were student teachers.
His father served in the Royal navy - both Arthur and his brother Philip J. ( sometimes James P.) (and possibly brother George) served in WW1 and were both Liuet in RFA.
From Arthur's medal card his forwarding address was to B. Guiana c/o "the Rupununi Dev. Company" - on the card however this was then crossed out and the new address was c/o "J. Balasch, 4 Robb ST, Guiana, BG".
As far as I understand the Rupununi Company was setup with the support of the Colonial Government of Guiana and capital from British Business men.
based on this I was of the opinion that he might have left the Military -
Can I ask - is it normal to be considered / addressed by your military rank ie : Lieutenant A J Going from British Guiana at complimentary dinner in 1924 - if you had already left the military service ?
B.