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Title: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 10:26 BST (UK)
Hi,
 I am searching for John Wilson born 1845/1848. The 1871/`81/`91/`01 census say born Scotland, Stirlingshire, Stirling.

On all of these census he is living in Great Lumley/ Houghton le Spring area Durham, with his wife Ann (nee Hodgson).....Although I can`t find a marriage entry for them I think it would be about 1868 (if they did actually marry???)

I can`t seem to pin down any definate information on John Wilson prior to the1871 census  so now don`t know where to search or what to look for other than a marriage certificate that doesn`t seem to exist........

I am new to family research so wonder if I am missing a clue..........Any advice or help would be much appreciated.

Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: down-under on Wednesday 08 June 11 12:36 BST (UK)
??

1841 Parish No 490
address 7 Kerry Street
Stirling
Stirlingshire

Agnes Ferguson age 51 born Harbert Stirlingshire House Servant
Christina Wilson age 27 daughter  borm Dailly Stirlingshire Spinner
David Ferguson age 22 son born Stirling     Mason
William Adams age 11 grandson Stirling
James Rennie age 9 Grandson age 9 born Stirling
John Wilson age 3 born Stirling Stirlingshire
David Wilson age 7 months grandson Stirling


Pam
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 08 June 11 12:49 BST (UK)
There are 4 John Wilson's of a possible age in Stirling on the 1851 census.Do you know his parents names at all.
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 13:01 BST (UK)
Hi,
I apologise if I am making faux pas.......have never been on a forum before - I think I am replying to all who have been kind enough to reply to me??....
Pam, down-under - I will check out your suggestion, thankyou so much.
Seoras - Unfortunately I know no other information about him.....even his childrens names are accounted for by being named after his wifes siblings - the only name that could have been passed down that I can`t account for is his grandchild Robert......

kwotto
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 08 June 11 13:35 BST (UK)
Three possibilities Kwotto,number 1 has an elder brother Robert but appears to be with his family.Number 2 is a nephew and number 3 a grandson so possibly without one or both parents which could indicate why he moved and used his wife's siblings names,particularly the nephew if he had no family names to go on.All three are possible though.I hope this is some help.
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 08 June 11 13:36 BST (UK)
other two,all three born Stirling.
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 08 June 11 13:42 BST (UK)
Oh and welcome to Roots Chat Kwotto.
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 13:58 BST (UK)
Wow seoras, so much info - I`m sure I will get used to deciphering it all as quickly as you seem to!! Thankyou so much and thankyou for my welcome.

I was wondering if you know how the registration districts work in Scotland? With my search for John Wilson, I was thinking that Stirling covers lots of little places too and when John Wilson was saying Stirling as a place of birth he may have been saying the largest town nearest to where he was born - or do you think he would have been more specific?? I think I am over analysing because I have no other info!!

kwotto
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 08 June 11 14:21 BST (UK)
These are all Stirling as they give both Stirling and Stirlingshire,Stirlingshire did cover other towns and villages but in my own experience they would give the place and county.Due to copyright we are not allowed to post the whole page but if you want the full pages of these census returns just pop an email address in my Personal Messages and I will send them to you.You have three posts now so you can use Personal Messages,to get to mine just click on my name at the side of this post.

To make it easier Kwotto,I have just sent you a message,at the top of your page where it says messages,you should have a 1 by it,just click on messages then you can reply that way.
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 14:31 BST (UK)
There is a family actually in Stirling who have a John Wilson bn 1846 St Ninians.

John Wilson m Catherine McMicking 17 MAR 1833      Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
children
MARY ELIZABETH WILSON - 01 SEP 1844 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
JOHN WILSON - 22 MAR 1846 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
WILLIAM WILSON - 02 DEC 1847 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
WILLIAM WILSON -  02 JAN 1848 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
GILBERT WILSON - 24 FEB 1850 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland

The above are all christenings
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 14:38 BST (UK)
And there's lots more!

 ;D

ALEXANDER WILSON - 09 APR 1834 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
CATHERINE BEVERIDGE WILSON - 23 OCT 1835 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
MARTHA MCCULLOCH WILSON - 26 MAY 1837 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
THOMAS MCMICKING WILSON - 15 JAN 1839 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
JANE HELEN MORIN WILSON - 04 MAR 1841 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
ROBERT WALTER WILSON - 23 FEB 1854 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 14:52 BST (UK)
1841 census shows the family in St Ninians

Piece: SCT1841/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 13
Civil Parish: St Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Ninians

Address: Hill Park
WILSON       John       M       35       Woollen Manf        Stirlingshire           
WILSON       Catherine       F       25               Outside Census County (1841)           
WILSON       Alexander       M       7               Stirlingshire           
WILSON       Catherine       F       5               Stirlingshire           
WILSON       Martha       F       4               Stirlingshire           
WILSON       Thomas       M       2               Stirlingshire           
WILSON       Jane       F       4m               Stirlingshire           
MCLAY       Mary       F       25       Female Servant        Stirlingshire           
MITCHELL       Mary       F       20       Female Servant        Outside Census County (1841)   
MAIN       Mary       F       25       Female Servant        Stirlingshire           
BENTLY       Ann       F       20       Female Servant        England
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 15:03 BST (UK)
Same place in 1851 but this is obviously a very wealthy family!  :o

WILSON       John       Head       M       M       49       Woollen Manuf Emp 400 Hands        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       Catherine       Wife       M       F       36               Wigtownshire - Inch           
WILSON       Alexander       Son       U       M       17       Woollen Manuf        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       Thomas       Son       U       M       12       Scholar At Home        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       Jane Helen       Dau       -       F       10       Scholar At Home        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       Mary Elisa       Dau       -       F       6       Scholar At Home        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       John       Son       -       M       5       Scholar At Home        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       William       Son       -       M       3               Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
WILSON       Gilbert       Son       -       M       1               Stirlingshire - Bannockburn           
MCFARLANE       Thomas       Tutor       U       M       20       Tutor        Perth - Auchtergaven   
SMART       Euphemia       Servnt       U       F  19       House Servant        Fife - Letham    
MOWBRAY       Janet       Servnt       U       F       25       House Servant        Midlothian - Edinburgh           
BROWN       Barbary       Servnt       U       F       23       House Servant        Stirlingshire - Stirling           
DENOVAN       Catherine       Servnt       U       F       16       House Servant        Stirlingshire - Bannockburn
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 17:07 BST (UK)
Thankyou fifer1947 for all that information you have taken the time to type out for me.....I laughed at the eye popping icon you put on the wealthy family census!! Unfortunately I doubt that`s the John Wilson I am looking for as on the census(s?) I do have for him he is an agricultural labourer and coal miner......never mind!!
I will try to eliminate some of those possibilities and hopefully come up trumps.

kwotto
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: apanderson on Wednesday 08 June 11 17:35 BST (UK)
IGI has:

John Wilson, christened 22 March 1845, Stirling, Stirlingshire, son of Robert Wilson & Margaret Miller (Extracted Record)

Can't find him (or his parents) on the 1851 Census though .....  :-\

There is this Wilson Family living at Stonehouse, Bothkennar, Sirlingshire (1851)
Robert age 25, Ag. Lab, born Bathgate c1826
Wife Mary, age 27, born Falkirk, Stirlingshire c1824
Daughter Matilda Wilson, age 5, born St. Ninians, Stirlingshire c1846
Son John Wilson, age 3, born St. Ninians, Stirlingshire c1848
Daughter Mary Wilson, age 1, born St. Ninians, Sirlingshire c1850

Anne
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 18:08 BST (UK)
Hi Anne, The Robert Wilson/Margaret Miller is on the list to check out and the others you have tippd me off with sound promising too....I`ve  just looked on the map for St Ninians and it`s as good as Stirling so definately have a look at that one!! Thankyou very much.
kwotto
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 18:22 BST (UK)
IGI has:

John Wilson, christened 22 March 1845, Stirling, Stirlingshire, son of Robert Wilson & Margaret Miller (Extracted Record)

Can't find him (or his parents) on the 1851 Census though .....  :-\

There is this Wilson Family living at Stonehouse, Bothkennar, Sirlingshire (1851)
Robert age 25, Ag. Lab, born Bathgate c1826
Wife Mary, age 27, born Falkirk, Stirlingshire c1824
Daughter Matilda Wilson, age 5, born St. Ninians, Stirlingshire c1846
Son John Wilson, age 3, born St. Ninians, Stirlingshire c1848
Daughter Mary Wilson, age 1, born St. Ninians, Sirlingshire c1850

Anne

Here but no sign of John
Piece: SCT1851/479 Place: Falkirk -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Falkirk Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Falkirk
Folio: 0 Page: 16 Schedule: 54
Address: Canada

        WILSON       Robert (Sen)       Head       M       M       46       Coal Miner        Stirlingshire - Kilsyth(Originally: Stirlingshire - Killsyth)           
        WILSON       Margaret       Wife       M       F       44               Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Robert (Jun)       Son       U       M       18       Coal Miner        Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Wilson       Son       U       M       15       Coal Miner        Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Agnes       Dau       U       F       12       At Home        Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Isabella       Dau       -       F       9       Scholar        Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Margret       Dau       -       F       6               Stirlingshire - Falkirk           
        WILSON       Jane       Dau       -       F       2               Stirlingshire - Falkirk
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 18:48 BST (UK)
Scrub that, it can't be them.  ::)
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 20:40 BST (UK)
Thanks fifer1947 - that makes my list a bit shorter!!
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: fifer1947 on Wednesday 08 June 11 21:07 BST (UK)
Thanks fifer1947 - that makes my list a bit shorter!!
LOL I don't envy you this list to go through, there are loads of 'em!  ;D
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Wednesday 08 June 11 21:17 BST (UK)
Thanks fifer1947 - that makes my list a bit shorter!!
LOL I don't envy you this list to go through, there are loads of 'em!  ;D

...........and so early on in my quest........it`s a learning curve!!
Title: Re: John Wilson Stirling B.1845 ish.....
Post by: kwotto on Friday 24 June 11 13:54 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I would like to thank you all very much for your help with my first enquiry on roots regarding my missing ggg grandfather John Wilson from Stirling. I have got a little way further with my search as have at last found his marriage cert` with his fathers name on - another John Wilson......gggrrrrrrr!!!!!
So again, thank you for helping me!!!

kwotto