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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Scottish2 on Monday 14 June 04 00:47 BST (UK)
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Hi
Here is the Scottish connection I am currently tracing with as much info as I have.
My mom: Janet (Morris) Maroney
Grandma: Ruth (Rylands) Morris
G-Gram: Lina (Barron) Rylands
G-G-Grandfather: Alexander Barron
Currently working on Alexander he was born in Scotland (Area unknown at present) in 1871 (trying to find exact month and date but lost my gravestone pictures of his gravestone to a virus so waiting on my cousin for help here) at the age of 15 he imigrated from we believe either Aberdeen or Lanark (Glasgow area) we also believe he first lived in Conneticutt as Lina was born in 1894 in Tolland Conn. Sometime between about 1900 and 1907 they moved to Providence Rhode Island. As of the 1910 census Alexander was working as a weaver in a woolen mill and amazingly enough Lina at age 15 (as of 19101 census) was working as a spinner in a woolen mill (unsure if same mill as just found this info but guessing there is a good chance).
The 1920 census is a little hard to read but looks like at the 1910 census he had 4 children Lina, Lottie, Alexander Jr., & Gladys and by 1920 he had 5 more children with his second wife Elizabeth. Hard to read but 2 of them are definately Fred and Earl son's 3 & 4. Have a letter out to Fred as he's still alive to get name clarification. I remember from the gravestone pictures that Alexander died in the mid 1950's. Also trying to find out from Fred on my G-G-Grandmother Alexanders first wife.
That's about where my research on this line ends at present there are some additional info for other members mentioned above but currently researching Alexander being he's my immigrant ancestor. Find below the Clan badge and tartan for the Clan Rose which the barron name is addiliated with
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Hi
BIRTH
ALEXANDER MITCHELL BARRAN
26 March 1871
13 Turner Street, Springburn, Glasgow
REF: 622/2/174
Son of Alexander Barran, Ship Carpenter and Jeannett Barran MS Schrier
Married 1864 January 16, London, England
Informant: Jeannett Barran, Mother
regards
Patricia
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Thank you so much for this info. While I am waiting on my cousin to verify the exact date in 1871 the name matches to a tee as his middle name is Mitchell. I hope the dates match up but somehow I feel they will. I mean what are the chances of lots of babies having that same middle name (I mean I guess it can happen but...)
thank you so much. Once my cousin verifies it will let you know.
Thanks So much!!!
Oh forgot to ask after her name in the son of line what does this mean or might this be her maiden name?
MS Schrier
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Hi again
MS is standard shorthand for Maiden Surname, so Maiden Surname Schrier.
It's a very unusual name for Scotland at the time and you will note they were married in England. I think it very likely this is the right person if the middle name was Mitchell.
Regards
Patricia
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Yes the middle name was Mitchell and I got a fast reply from my cousin and even though he's not at his home system the dates seem right with him as well so looks like we found another generation.
THANKS!
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Hi,
I found your post while doing a Google Search for more information on my paternal grandfather, who is the Alexander Mitchell Barron (LSD records have the spelling as "Barran" for some reason...we have never spelled it that way)you are researching! Lina and Lottie were my father's 1/2 sisters by grandpa's 1st marriage. My father was Clinton Barron and he died in 1988. Uncle Fred is still living and we still communicate by telephone from time to time. I don't know how to get in touch with you other than posting here so, hopefully, you still check in from time to time. Perhaps we could fill in some genealogy blanks for one another!
Donna
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Hi Donna
You will never find any records in Scotland if you insist there is only one way to spell the name.
Correct spelling didn't exist. It is a relatively modern phenomenon and even now lots of people are not good at it.! ;D
The LDS transcribers were working from filmed records which, after a hundred years, were not in pristine condition. Handwriting was often of wildly differing standard. Some is beautiful some look like a spider crawled over it!
My wife has the name 'Lapraik' in her line. The LDS have 3 of the sisters in that family spelt Lauperech, Lawprack, Lawperick. Having viewed the Old Parish Records film they could have been correct but as they all had the same parents it was easy to figure it out.
The records from further back are even more difficult as the script used was archaic.
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Hi runner,
Thanks for that clarification! I'm only recently starting to research my father's Scottish genealogy; prior to that I was focused on my mother's Swedish side. It's just got to be easier to research the Scots (tell me it's true!). The Swede's changed their surnames every generation...a genealogist's nightmare. I'm delighted to have found this site and have already received valuable information.
Donna
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LSD records have the spelling as "Barran" for some reason...we have never spelled it that way
The reason the LDS spell it that way is that it is spelled that way on the original certificate, as you can see from the transcription Patricia supplied. The LDS IGI, excellent finding aid though it is, contains no 'records' (notwithstanding the heading of the pages). It is an index and it is always necessary to check the original document (a) for additional information and (b) to ensure that the LDS have transcribed it correctly. Mistakes are rare, but they do occur.
Spelling was often pretty vague until about the end of the 19th century. Many people couldn't write, and some couldn't read, so the clerk who wrote the information down could please himself how he wrote it. It is never a good idea to dismiss an otherwise promising-looking entry in the indexes or anywhere else just because "it isn't spelled that way in our family". Sure it isn't, now, but 100 years ago is a totally different story.
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I have now opened my mind and will hunt the Barrons, Barrans, Barons, Barins, Barrens, etc. with a vengance! There will be no Barron spared, no matter how they spelled it!
Many thanks for the guidance...the waters are deep and murky at times!
Donna
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Hi Donna
I don't know if you have had a look at the various bits of advice about searching Scottish records. If you are using scotlandspeople it is possible to use wildcards (*) to bring up alternative and variant spellings. using ? will replace one letter with another; using * will replace one or more letters ( or spaces if looking for a 'MAC/MC name)
e.g. B*r*n could bring up Barran/Barron/Baron/Boron/Boren but could also bring up Barton/Burton You have to think divergently to see what the possibilities are. Plans searches before you even log in.
Make haste slowly and it will pay off. Rush it and your plastic will get worn thin but your search will have limited results.
Getting the difficult ones gives a huge buzz.....
Russell
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Hi Russell,
I did go to scotlandspeople but it's a pay site and I don't want to spend money...at least not yet!....to gather baseline information. When I get as much as I can get from free searches, and get it somewhat organized, then it may be worth it to me to pay for access to more records. In other words, when my questions get a little smarter!
Right now I'm trying to figure out why some records say my grandfather was born in Glasgow, his LDS records say Springburn, Lanark, Scotland, and other family members say Aberdeen. Perhaps it's all in the same general area? I definitely need to familiarize myself with Scotland's geography a bit more and can probably save myself some time by reading the search hints posted on this site for the benefit of boneheads like me!
Donna
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Right now I'm trying to figure out why some records say my grandfather was born in Glasgow, his LDS records say Springburn, Lanark, Scotland, and other family members say Aberdeen.
Springburn is a district in the city of Glasgow, which is in the county of Lanark, in west central Scotland. Aberdeen is in north-east Scotland, about 150 miles from Glasgow. The LDS "records" are taken from the contemporary records of births, marriages and deaths, so barring errors should be correct.
Perhaps the family had relatives in Aberdeen, or maybe they moved to Aberdeen after he was born?
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Well I personally doubt he ever lived in Aberdeen. The birth records show Lanarkshire and we know from records we obtained from another member that in 1881 he was at the same address living with relatives as it seems his parents had died somehow. And then according to US Census records he immigrated here in 1890. So 10-1 he always lived in the Glasgow area. And Donna gonna e-mail you a map of Scotland with the locations on it so you know where everything is. Couldn't hurt though to get a good map of Scotland I have a road map and clan map of the country and use them alot though I got mine in Japan so unsure where here most likely Barnes & Nobles would sell at least the road map.
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Hi Donna
Springburn is now a part of Glasgow but in past years it was outside the city boundary and was classed as in the count of Lanark. Glasgow was officially in the same count but, as a city, was identified differently with different parishes within the city. As responsibility was passed from Parochial councils to secular authorities these various divisions changed and new ones were added so now Glasgow has clearly identified Districts for tax and electoral purposes. One example, Govan, was a compleley independent parish outwith Glasgow which covered both sides of the the River Clyde. Once joined to Glasgow it retained responsibility for education north of the river but now that area is known as Partick and is quite separate.
Aberdeen is in the North East of Scotland and is a hundred and odd miles away which, in this country, is considered quite far apart. They have a completely different accent and would be horrified to be grouped with Glasgow!!!
I hope your ancestors were not from the Islands because the Gaelic is used for place names and some of them are written in a way which is unpronounceable. This is because in Gaelic certain combinations of letters are pronounced differently. MH or BH together are sounded as V in most circumstances.
This all sounds terribly complicated but begins to make sense as you get into it. Your intention to do preparatory work before you spend a buck is the best way to start.
Be warned though! There is no known treatment for family historyitis. Once hooked you are an incorrigible addict. You waken in the mornings thinking 'now if I just search...........' and your erstwhile friends roll their eyes and look to the ceiling while you spout off.
Welcome to Addicts Anonymous
Russell
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Well good thing is she find me through my post here and we're adding all our info together. She's given me some new stuff and i've given her some new stuff so 2 heard are better then one lol ??? :)
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Alexander's marriage is on FreeBMD at:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
but in 1865.
Alexander BARRON, marriage, March quarter 1865, St George in the East, Middlesex. Vol 1c, page 654.
On the same page is Jenete (sic) SCHRIER.
JAP
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Hi
Link didn't work for me and yes that's Alexanders Father Alexander (number unsure being that name seems to run in the family LOL at least 4 that we know of) Thanks for the info though will compare it to what we currently have regarding the marriage.
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Now a off shoot of this topic same Alexander though. We know his first wife was a lady named Martha. Last name might be either smith or Smitz (Spelling???) We know from US Census records 1900 that she was born in 1876 in Germany and immigrated to the US in 1884. Beyond that we don't know much. Any info anyone could share would be appriciated as it would open this line alittle as it's sort of at a blockade at the moment.
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I hope your ancestors were not from the Islands because the Gaelic is used for place names and some of them are written in a way which is unpronounceable. This is because in Gaelic certain combinations of letters are pronounced differently. MH or BH together are sounded as V in most circumstances.
Gaelic names are only unpronounceable if you are a monoglot English speaker and imagine that all letters are always pronounced as in English, regardless of which language they are used for writing. If you learn French or German or Spanish you need to learn that some letters in those languages are used for different sounds from those used in English. Gaelic is the same; you just need to learn a few rules and the names are perfectly straightforward.
Place names all over Scotland, not just in the Highlands and Islands, have their roots in Gaelic - for example Glasgow is originally Gaelic.
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Scottish2, the link is:
www dot freebmd dot org dot uk
But each time I write it in the normal way it comes up in preview and when posted as that odd rootsweb URL ...
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Thanks that worked. Will check it out in a little bit doing a table with all the dates and info in it to share with Donna so we have all the right dates and places.
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Hi Russell,
Appreciate the scoop on Scotland's districts, etc., which I'm printing and saving to put with my map. My only experience with the language is the music of Jean Redpath, which I love. At one time I had several records (remember L.P.s?) of hers and, I investigated the lyrics, some of the puzzling terms, so I could understand the stories in her beautiful songs. I also have a vintage recording of elderly Scottish women weavers recorded many years ago, not in a studio, but at their mill. They used to sing as they wove and the rhythm of the music served to coordinate their rhythm with the shuttles (?). They'd get through with a song and tell little stories about their lives. Fascinating stuff!
As for your forewarning about the genealogy addiction, you couldn't have been more accurate. Yesterday my husband came home and, instead of finding his dinner all ready, he found me sitting in front of the computer, amidst piles and piles of papers! If I don't temper my enthusiasm, I'll become a Barron again!
Donna
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Hi Donna
I not only have Jean Redpath tapes I had the privilige of meeting her a few times.As a bearded folky I was very involved with various traditional singers in my youth. I even was at the foot of the bill when Gerry Rafferty was singing with Billy Connelly as the Humblebums a lifetime ago.
If you like traditional and how it is handled now try Dick Gaughan. He has a voice like gravel but interprets vocally and instrumentally like no one else.
I was sitting listening to another group who do traditional songs beautifully 'Sileas' - ' Harpbreakers' - (pronounced SHEELAS) Harp accompaniment is lovely! Some English - some Gaelic words.
A previous poster said Gaelic was easy MMMH! I live in a a road where the name is longer than the road itself -Clochoderick Avenue.
The first part comes from the Gaelic for Stone the second part seems to relate to King Ridderick of Strathclyde so long ago there almost no written records.
Your comment about weavers is most appropriate. My village was a weaving village in the days of home based, hand looms.
Don't worry about the addiction!
Some of our playground monitors are addicts of 20 years standing (or should that be sitting?)
Russell
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What a privilege for you to have met Jean Redpath! Of course she has a magnificent voice (so often she's acapella and her music still misses nothing) but, she's a true stylist and has that rare ability to draw one in. I can never listen to her as background music! I've only seen her through occasional television broadcasts (years ago) of Garrisson Keiller's "Prairie Home Companion" (routinely a radio broadcast). She was a fairly regular guest. The great thing about her gift is she can sing a spiritual song that will make you weep, and a "bawdy" song that will make you blush....and it's all ok in her hands (pipes?).
I will jot down your recommendations on other Scottish folk artists...am not familiar with them but, that particular music needs to be sought out.
Donna
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I am trying to find more information on an Alexander Barron b. 1853 in Scotland (don't know where, but likely Glasgow region) who married in 1903 a Janet Low b. 17 Mar 1867 Grangemouth, Scotland.
Only other data I have is his death 1911 in Scotland, and his widow Janet travelled to NZ to be with son Robert b. 1910.
Is there a 1911 Census for Scotland likely to be available anytime soon? That would be a big help :D
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated, e.g. should I start a new Post? ???
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Hi John
It's normally better to start a new post with new names so that you have a better chance of people seeing it and responding :)
Just a comment for now. Have you viewed Alexander and Janet's marriage cert on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk or Alexander's death cert? Both would include details on his parents' full names which would help you in finding him in earlier censuses with his family.
Monica
Added: The 1911 census for Scotland, unlike the English Census which is available now, will not be released until April 1911 unfortunately :-\
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for the suggestions and advice - just what I wanted. :)
I've been reluctant to use the Scotlandspeople site after hearing stories from friends who found it very expensive, but it might be the only way to trace them back. :-\
I guess I was hoping there was an alternative.
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Scotlands People is actually really reasonable, if you know what you are looking for. For £1.20 (6 units) you can search and view an image of a BMD on line (much cheaper than ordering English certificates). There is a minimum spend of £6 which gets you 30 units, so you can view up to 5 images of BMDs or census entries. Are you based in Scotland, there may be other ways of accessing this info if you are there.
I did have a look at the 1901 census. There were a couple of possibilities for Alexander, one in Glasgow where the marriage with Janet Low looks to have taken place in 1903. I can post the entry if you would like. Verification that you have the right Alexander will however only be possible from his marriage or death certs though.
Monica
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John
What birth year do you have for Janet? The only Janet Low I can see in 1891/1901 born in Grangemouth is showing a birth year of 1887 not 1867 surely too young to marry a man born in the early 1850s?
Any chance that Janet married an Alexander born much later? The Alexander Barron I had looked in Glasgow, aged 49 in the 1901 census has a son Alexander aged 18, i.e. born 1883.
Monica
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I'll post the census entries and you'll see better what I'm referring to:
The Barrons in 1901, everyone showing as born in Glasgow except for Alexander Snr.:
Alexander Barron 49, Maruie (?spl) Engine Fitter b. Edinkille Parish, Morayshire
James Barron 20
Alexander Barron 18, Litho Artist (apprentice)
Angus Barron 16
Jeanie Barron 13
William Barron 11
Elizh Ann McPherson 30, niece, b. Inverness
Address:180 Berkeley St, Kelvin, Glasgow Sandyford
The only Janet Low I'm seeing in 1891 with family:
John Low 40, boiler maker, b. Glasgow
Mary Low 40, b. Glasgow
Mary Low 19, b. Glasgow
John Low 12, b. Glasgow
Margaret Low 11, b. Glasgow
Elizabeth Low 9, b. Grangemouth
Agnes Low 7, b. Grangemouth
Janet Low 4, b. Grangemouth
David Low 2, b. Grangemouth
Address: 112 Lumley St, Grangemouth, Stirlingshire
And then in 1901, with the Lows back in Glasgow:
Mary Low 50
Elizabeth Low 19
Agnes Low 17
Janet Low 14, Milleners Apprentice, Grangemouth, Stirlingshire
David Low 12
Address: 670 Dumbarton Rd, Govan Lanarkshire
Monica
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Got curious and looked at the marriage ::)
It is Alexander the father, marine engineer, who married. He shows as widower, parents James Barron, occupation coach xxxx?, deceased and mother, looks like a remarriage, Mary Melrose, formerly Barron, maiden name McDonald .
Just to place him with family, this looks like him in 1861 (as transcribed):
James Barron 37, Coach Driver, b. Alva, Moraysh
Mary Barron 34, b. Dores, Invernesssh
Jessie Barron 14, b. Dores, Invernesssh
Alexr Barron 9, b. Edinkillie, Moraysh
James Barron 6, Knockando, Moraysh
William Barron 4, Rothes, Moraysh
Address:Two Sco Left By Onisbathe, Cromdale, Inverallan and Advie, Inverness
Janet is not the one born in Grangemouth (thank goodness!) but as you said, aged 36, spinster and domestic servant. Parents show as James Low, blacksmith (deceased) and Jane Rae. Her birth shows on IGI as:
JANET LOW Birth:17 MAR 1867 Bothkennar, Stirling
Parents:AMES LOW and JANE RAE
In the 1871 she looks to be with grandparents (as transcribed):
Peter K(?R)ae 64, iron weigher, b. Bothkennar, Stirlingshire
Janet B Rae 62, b. Cama Wath (?Carnwath), Lanarkshire
Peter Rae 19, b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Janet Low 4, granddaughter b. Bothkennar, Stirlingshire
Address: Fort Row, Larbert Stirlingshire
And her parents in Govan:
James Low 31, blacksmith, b. Labourn, Stirlingshire
Jane Low 30 b. Labourn, Stirlingshire
Agnes Low 2 b. Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Address: 104 Henderson St, Govan Lanarkshire
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Many, many thanks for all your input.
I'm in New Zealand, and confess to knowing little about Scotland, though I'm becoming intrigued through reading several of Alexander McCall Smith's books :D
My inquiry was on behalf of a friend, who has just begun to trace his ancestors. Unfortunately, he's away on Easter Holiday at present, but I'll see if your details fit in with his knowledge of family background as soon as he returns.
Will be in touch, and "Thanks" again from a long way away!
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Hello all!
I have found this post so interesting! I know it's been a while since anyone has posted but I thought it was worth asking if anyone has any information on generations earlier then Alexander Mitchell Barron? He was my G-Grandad, and I'm trying to follow the Barron line back as far as I can. I have a little (not much) information about his parents, Alexander and Jeanette Barron. This is all I have
Alexander Barron b. 1821, Scotland
m. Jeanette Schrier (though I have records that show her name as Harriet Janet/Jeanette Schrier... ???) 16 Jan 1865 in St. George, East Middlesex, Eng.
2 Children: Alexander Mitchell Barron (b. 1871) and George Barron (b. 1866)
I hope this information is correct. If anyone has anything else about him or any earlier generations, I would really appreciate it. I'm kind of new at this and I'm just getting my feet wet, so any information or tips/pointers about research would be much appreciated!
Happy hunting!
Whitney Barron
Sląinte mhath!
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Hi Whitney
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Did something happen to parents in the early years of the children's lives? I thought this might be the two boys in the 1881 census:
John Kynoch 38, labourer b. Roadside Aberdeen
El Kynoch 56 b. Roadside Aberdeen
Nell Kynoch 24 coach builder b. Glasgow
Geo Barron 15, nephew b. England
Alex Barron 10, nephew b. Glasgow
Address, 79 xxxx..., Dennistoun, Glasgow
I don't think this is a great transcription, the original on Scotlands People might be clearer. I wondered what the relationship was and trying to check what the maiden name of the mother was, but not getting anywhere at the moment. Also, son Nell's (Neil?) birth should be on IGI if we knew what name it was under!
Monica
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Hi Monica, thanks for your help!
Here is some new information I just got from my Aunt. Apparently, George and Alex were staying with their father's sister and her husband (that would be John Kynoch and Elizabeth Barron) while their father was staying with his brother, James Barron, and sister-in-law, Mary. There is no record of Jeanette Barron, the boys' mother, so we think she may have passed away and the boys were sent to live with their Aunt. This must be the case, since in the 1881 Census, there's a little 'W' by Alexander's marriage status, which must mean widower. Alexander was a ship carpenter in Scotland, so he probably spent a lot of time at the docks and away from home, so it would make sense for his boys to stay with relatives for a while. I don't think they were big on the idea of single-dads at the time.
1881 Census (This would Alex and George's father, Alexander)
James BARRON Head M Male 57 Scotland Ship Carpenter
Mary BARRON Wife M Female 51 Scotland Ship Carpenter Wife
Alexander BARRON Brother W Male 60 Scotland Ship Carpenter
Also, my Aunt sent me the IGI records for the Kynoch's children:
ELLEN KYNOCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 JUL 1858 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM KYNOCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 MAR 1856 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
DAVID KYNOCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 MAY 1860 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
MARY KYNOCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 AUG 1838 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
ELIZABETH KYNOCH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 08 NOV 1842 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
As you can see, there is no Nell, but there is an Ellen. Why she would go by Nell, I have no idea. Maybe it was a mistake? Anyway this is all new-to-me information, hot off the presses. I'm hoping that with this new information of Alexander's siblings, Elizabeth and James, I can track down some info about their parents, which would give me a whole new generation to fiddle around with!
Thank you again for your help!!
Whitney
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Hi Whitney
From Alexander and Jennete's parish marriage entry at Christ Church, Watney Street, Tower Hamlets in 1865, Alexander is down as aged 38, a bachelor and shipwright by occupation. Father William, an engineer. Jennette's is showing as aged 20, spinster, father David, a printer by trade.
Son, Alexander's birth entry shows on IGI:
ALEXANDER MITCHELL BARRAN Birth: 26 MAR 1871 Springburn, Lanark
Parents: ALEXANDER BARRAN and JEANNETT SCHRIER
Given the census in 1871 was on the night of 2 April that year, you would think mother and children would have been nearby a few days later for the census...
The name Ellen b. 1858 for the Kynochs would make perfect sense, except the transcription has her as a son and a coach builder by trade ;D Might be a shortened version of son William b. 1856 perhaps on the 1881 entry?
Where is this 1881 census entry for father Alexander with brother James?
Monica
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This looks to be sister Elizabeth's marriage in the Old Parish Registers:
ELIZABETH BARRON and JOHN KYNOCH Marriage: 27 APR 1838 Old Machar, Aberdeen
Their 1851 entry:
John Kynoch 29, Tovesman (?spl) Flax Mill b. Aberdeen, Aberdeensh
Eliza Kynoch 29 b. Aberdeen, Aberdeensh
John Kynoch 10 b. Aberdeen, Aberdeensh
Mary Kynoch 2 b. Aberdeen, Aberdeensh
James Ankettell 26, visitor
Address: 2 Thrushgrove St, Glasgow
Monica
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The census information for Alexander and James came from my Aunt, she sent me the clip. Here's the whole thing:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James BARRON Head M Male 57 Scotland Ship Carpenter
Mary BARRON Wife M Female 51 Scotland Ship Carpenter Wife
Alex BARRON Brother W Male 60 Scotland Ship Carpenter
Source Information:
Dwelling 42 Charles St
Census Place Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342210
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5022 / 70
Page Number 33
Thank you sooo much for the information about Alex and Jeanette's marriage! And Elizabeth and John's. I think I might be able to get somewhere with a William Barron, who had at least three children: Alexander, James, and Elizabeth. However did you find that? Like I said, I'm new at this research, and I've been relying on my Google search engine, family members, and websites like this one that have been very useful, but I don't think I would be able to find that anywhere!
Also, the thing about Ellen/Nell. She's the right age to be Nell. I have no idea why she would be listed as a son, or have the occupation of coachbuilder, though. That does rather speak to it being someone else. Maybe it was William, i just don't know. ???
Whitney
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This looks to be brother James and wife Mary in 1871 in Jarrow, Durham:
James Barlow 41, ship carpenter, b. Scotland
Mary McDermond Barlow 41 b. Scotland
George Barlow 12 son b. Scotland
John Fraser 41, lodger
RG10; Piece: 5042; Folio: 14; Page: 23 - there has been a correction added by someone to show that the surname should be Barron.
This looks to be the marriage on IGI:
JAMES BARRON and MARY MCDERMENT
Marriage: 26 DEC 1856 Old Machar, Aberdeen
Hope it is the right marriage - this is now in the period post the start of official registration. The marriage cert is available to view on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and should include full names on parents, including mothers' maiden names.
Monica
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Just firming up with the son that shows in 1871. From IGI:
GEORGE MC DERMENT BARRON Birth: 19 SEP 1858 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen
Parents: JAMES BARRON and MARY MC DERMENT
Monica