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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: dollymixture on Tuesday 07 June 11 00:11 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could any one tell me what type of information, other than the child's name, a 1907 baptism record from the Forres/Kinloss area is likely to contain?
I'm wondering whether it's worth trying to unearth the record (or not) :-\
Thanks
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Apart from the child's name, the certificate will show the date, time and place of birth. Forgot to say that the father's name and mother's name, including her maiden name, will also be shown. If the parents were married, it will show the date and place of their marriage. The informant's name (usually the father) will also be shown.
Regards
Jean
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Will also tell you the mother's maiden name.
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Hi Portybelle
Just realised I had missed that bit out and was busy amending my post when you came on.
Regards
Jean
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Great minds think alike!
Dollymixture - Should be easy enough to find the birth on Scotland's People website and will cost you about a pound to view the record which you can then print/save.
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Thanks Jean Jeanie and portybelle.
I have the birth certificate, but the baptism was (according to a note scribbled on the back of the birth cert.) was 2 years later, and in a different area of Morayshire.
On the 1911 census, the child (who is still at school) is listed as a 'lodger' with a different family (i.e. not her birth parents). Whether this family had her baptised or her mother did, I have no idea -but that is why I'm wondering about details on baptism (as oppose to birth) records.
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You would first have to check the on-line catalogue of the National Archives of Scotland to see if they have the baptismal register for the church concerned for that period. If not, assuming the church is still active and hasn't merged with another, the register, if it was kept at all, will probably still be in the hands of the church itself. It might possibly be with the archives of the local authority. It was quite normal for baptisms to take place in people's houses. What these more modern registers say is just as variable as the earlier pre 1855 ones. Because of the compulsory registration of births, many churches stopped keeping detailed registers of baptisms.
Graham.
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Thanks Graham, that's very interesting indeed.
I know who the minister was (and the Parish), but yes I think the baptism was in a house.
The weird thing is that as far as I know (so far) the family had no link to that house. Is it possible that the baptism was at an employers' house, or a relative's house, or just a large house (kind of like people getting married at stately homes these days ! :-\) or does that just sound too weird/unlikely???
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Which parish was it? Was it the Church of Scotland or another denomination? What exactly is the full text of the note on the back of the birth certificate? Which house did the baptism take place in?
I was baptised in my parents' house and the minister wrote this down on the back of my birth certificate. I do not know if there is a matching entry in the church's cradle roll, but the ones I have seen in other churches have usually just listed the parents' names, the child's name and date of baptism.
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Which parish was it? Was it the Church of Scotland or another denomination? What exactly is the full text of the note on the back of the birth certificate? Which house did the baptism take place in?
I was baptised in my parents' house and the minister wrote this down on the back of my birth certificate. I do not know if there is a matching entry in the church's cradle roll, but the ones I have seen in other churches have usually just listed the parents' names, the child's name and date of baptism.
Thanks Forfarian, that definitely answers my question, and, I think it probably means that I would be gain more from a trip to the Family History Centre in Elgin sometime, to try to look at school enrolment records, than from chasing the baptism record (although knowing me I will end up doing both !)
I do wonder what would have happened if anyone other than the birth mother and father presented the child for baptism – would it still be the birth parents names that were listed, I guess it probably would???
The Parish was Kinloss, and the minister was GS Peebles –after some internet googling I found some biographical info about him that mentioned presbyteries, so I think (?) that means he was Church of Scotland.
All the note says is Baptised by me at Langot (which I guess could mean the main house or the farm –neither of which I can link to the family via 1901 or 1911 censuses), the year 1907, and his signature.
I realise that a lot can happen between 1901 and 1911 though, and people often moved around the region to find work etc. My next stop, I think, will be School enrolment records, and maybe Valuation Roles.
One thing I did notice, was that the person living at Langcot House in 1911 (and according to a Forres Gazette extract also in 1907 –when there was a fire there!!!) Charles Minto Bruce, did seem to do a lot of ‘Community Work’ for lack of a better word, with local schools etc.
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I do wonder what would have happened if anyone other than the birth mother and father presented the child for baptism – would it still be the birth parents names that were listed, I guess it probably would???
I can't answer that.
The Parish was Kinloss, and the minister was GS Peebles –after some internet googling I found some biographical info about him that mentioned presbyteries, so I think (?) that means he was Church of Scotland.
Not necessarily, because the C of S is not the only denomination to have presbyteries.
However Guy Steel Peebles was indeed the C of S minister because LIBINDX has information about his extracted from the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae, which lists only the ministers of the C of S and not the United Presbyterian, Free Presbyterian, Reformed Presbyterian etc etc.
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Re someone other than the father presenting a child for baptism. I have come across this from time to time in the pre 1855 parish registers. Either the father has died or he is prevented from doing so because he is under church censure for some sin (often producing the said child!). In every case the actual parents' names are given as well as that of the person presenting the child.
Graham.