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I am trying to establist a relationship between a Margaret Humphrey born 22/3/1875 daughter of Adam Humphrey and Sarah Gray. She was brought up by a relation a Robert John Humphreys born around 1867 believed to be from the Whitehouse area. He married a Margaret Herron in 1895. By 1911 he had moved to Armagh and they had 8 children. Robert 1895, Elizabeth 1897, James 1899, Sarah Mc 1901, Richard 1903, Thomas 1905, Margaret 1906, Samuel 1908. Later the family moved back to Whitewell Rd were they lived in a bungalow beside were the original Metropolitan Tabernacle was built. The last survivor, Sam, died a few years ago. They had relatives - family of Samuel Humphrey(s) and Elizabeth Hunter. Their children were William J 1896, Robert 1897, Samuel 1898, Elizabeth 1904, Catherine 1906 and Susanna 1910.
A real puzzle as to how Margaret (I believe was born in Antrim) is related to the two brothers Robert and Samuel. There is a story in the family that Margaret's mother, Sarah Gray, worked at Galgorm Castle. She became pregnant, it is alleged, by one of the gentry there and she was forced to marry Adam Humphrey and were sent to Belfast to live. Please can anyone tell me how Adam Humphrey(s) is related to the brothers Robert and Samuel Humphrey(s)? Thank you for any help you can give. Their father was a William John Humphreys. Perhaps if I could find Adam Humphreys father's name that would give me the link.
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If Margaret was born 1875 she might have been raised with/lived with Robert John (born 1867) but hardly likely to be raised by Robert John and his wife.
For reference here are the census links-
Robert John Humphrey- 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward__Belfast/Mount_Street/977904/) and 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/College_Sq__West/306143/)
Samuel Humphrey- 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Whitehouse/Upper_Whitehouse_Street/988537/) and 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Antrim_Rural/Islandbane/106681/)
In 1901 looks like Margaret listed as Robert John's sister- his mother Margaret also in household.
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William John Humphreys, son of James Humphreys, married 19 Feb.1861 Knockbreda district, Co. Down to Margaret McCormick, daughter of David McCormick.
1. Robert Humphreys born 4 Jan.1867 Whitehouse district (page 435 in civil register)
Children of Adam Humphreys and Sarah Gray-
1. Margaret born 22 Mar.1875 Broughshane [sub?] district
2. Adam born 26 July 1879 Ballymena district
Haven't found Adam and Sarah's marriage yet- do you have this already? should list fathers' names and occupations.
Added- there seems to be no marriage/death for Adam Humphreys in Ireland in civil registration index).
Have found a Sarah Grey married 1874 Co.Antrim to Adam ? .
There's a marriage for a Sarah Grey Ballymena registration district 1874 (volume 16 page 161) but can't match this to anyone named Adam.
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Thank you so much for such a prompt reply! Robert always referred to Margaret as his sister - but clearly they don't have the same father. I think that Adam married Sarah Gr(a/e)y around 1874. She was born in Antrim as far as I know. Went to work as a servant girl in Galgorm Castle and Adam Humphrey also worked there as a stable lad. I think I remember looking Adam up in the 1901 census and they were living in Belfast. I'll check that out again. Somewhere along the line she lived with Robert Humphrey and family on the Whitewell Road. She then lived at Bell's Row Whitehouse and was in early 40s when she married William Hollis. They had one son, William, my father, born in 1915
Thanks again
June
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Hi,
Adam HUMPHREY married Sarah Grey in Ballymena 3rd Presbyterian Church on 24 Dec 1874. The Fathers' names were Robert Humphrey and John Grey.
Regards
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Thank you for your help too. Obviously they were not brother and sister. Would anyone be able to find a link between Adam's father, Robert, and William John's father, James. Would also be interested in finding out if Adam and Sarah perhaps died young and that's why Margaret went to live with a relation. Have tried to find a death registered for her parents, Adam and Sarah, but have drawn a complete blank. Grateful to you both for your invaluable help.
June
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Adam Humphrey and Sarah Grey married on 24th December 1874 in Ballymena Third Presbyterian Church Kirkinriola Antrim...she had Margaret 3 months later...so does that add credence to the family story?
Familysearch has the record of the birth of Margaret Humphrey to Adam and Sarah nee Gray on the 22 Mar 1875 in Broughshane Antrim
Familysearch has the record of the birth of Adam Humphrey to Adam and Sarah nee Gray on the 7th April 1877
Familysearch has the record of the death of Adam Humphrey b.1877 in the 2nd quarter of 1879 in Ballymena
Familysearch has the record of the birth of a 2nd Adam Humphrey to Adam and Sarah nee Gray on 26 Jul 1879 in Ballymena
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Robert Humphrey 1867 and James Humphrey 1861 had parents William Humphrey and Margaret McCormick... there was also a Samuel 1864
familysearch has Robert born 04 Jan 1867 in the WHITEHOUSE DISTRICT,ANTRIM
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I've already posted the details of Robert (born 1867), Margaret (born 1875), Adam (born 1879) earlier in this thread. I can;t get the site to show birth of a Samuel in 1864.
https://www.familysearch.org/
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I found Samuel b.1864 on IFHF http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/search.php
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I feel that the answer lies in trying to make a connection between Robert Humphreys born around 1820/1830s - my grandmother is descended from him - and James Humphreys born around the same time. The descendents of James' family eventually took my grandmother to live with them. Could these 2 men be brothers? Thank you to one and all for your invaluable help.
June
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Adam was married in Kirkinriola Antrim
There is a marriage of a John Humphreys in 1829 in Kirkinriola here
http://irishgenealogy.net/files/Ballymena-Marriages-1.html
familysearch has a record of a Robert Humphrey who died in 1892 born 1833 in Antrim.
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Thank you for this research. Robert would fit in very well - not sure about John - have noted it but no connection so far who knows!
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familysearch has a record of the death of: Sarah Jane Humphrey, Belfast
registration 3rd quarter 1892
estimated year of birth 1855
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James Humphrey b.1837 in Ballymena parents John and Catherine
also Margaret b.1833
I tried McMICHEEL and McCANLEY for Catherine but didn't get a match...I tried some variations in spelling but no luck.
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Hi,
Have you came across any Thomas Humphreys who died pre 1893?
I to am struggling to find a chink in my Humphreys brick wall.
Thomas's daughter, Sarah Ann Humphreys born c.1862 is my Gt. Grandmother. Sarah Ann living in Belfast, states on 1901 census that she was born in Dublin (father listed as THOMAS a 'Soldier' and 'desceased' on her 2nd marriage cert 1893 and the family has a very old photo of him in uniform with sergent stripes). Widowed by 1911 census, Sarah states that she was born in India? Sarah married her 1st husband in Wexford in 1878 and had at 4 children and another 3 to her 2nd husband - all names listed on the censuses and births found.
Because Thomas was a soldier, India or Dublin births for his daughter are plausibe, but I can't find any birth for Sarah - and nothing about Thomas.
Thanks for your time,
Chris