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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: EJ419 on Saturday 04 June 11 22:49 BST (UK)
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Greetings, Everyone.
According to the 1901 census, one of my ancestors, Susan Sansom, was a patient in the Nottingham Borough Asylum in Mapperley. The brief bit of information I have been able to find says it closed down in 1994, so I'm hoping that records still exist. Does anyone know if there are records and, if so, how to access them? I live in America, which makes tracking down items like these a little more difficult.
Thanks for any help you can give. :D
EJ
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Found this thread, which I believe will be of use to you. ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=hec5i6bekob1rhg8s5hdh8fmp4&topic=218933.0
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Thank you.
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Hi,
Nottingham Archives have the Admissions and case books for Nottingham Borough Asylum I was looking at them only last week. If you like I can have a look for you as I go there every week.
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That would be tremendous! Thank you so much. I'd be grateful for whatever you can find.
Some of the particulars that might help:
Name: Susan Sansom
DOB: 1853 (give or take a year or two) in Mansfield
lived in Lenton, Notts prior to the asylum
Occupation: laceworker
Thanks again!
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OK I'll do that for you may be on Tuesday or Friday as they are the days I go on, the archives is closed on Mondays.
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Hi,
I went to the archives today and had a look for the Admin and case books for Sarah Sansom but the case book I need to look at covers the years 1888-1913 which covers the years we need being 1891-1901 are closed until 2014 so I cannot access it. Also looked for Adminissions books but 1891-1893 and 1898-1906 are missing, had a look at the book for 1894-1897 and she wasn't admitted in those years so we need the case book. You could email the archives to see if they would look at the case book for you which I'm sure they would but may charge a fee.
However I died find a burial for Sarah Sansom, she died 12 March 1915 a spinster aged 61yrs at City Asylum (Borough Asylum) buried at Nottingham Church (Rock) Cemetery on 16 March 1915 in Family Grave 5907.
As its a family grave I had a look to see who else was in the Grave;
John Reason died 22 Aug 1904 at Nottingham General Hospital aged 56yrs of 348 Radford Rd, buried 25 Aug 1904 grave purchased by Hannah Reason widow (wife)
and Hannah Harris died 27 April 1917 aged 65yrs wife of Charels Harris a gardener of 348 Radford Rd buried 1 May 1917.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you for all your hard work. Though, the person I'm looking for is Susan Sansom, not Sarah Sansom. Even so, the same obstacles would apply because of the dates. Regardless, I still have more information now than I did before, so thank you. I really appreciate all your help. ;D
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Hi Sorry did I put Sarah should have put Susan sorry about that, I'm so used to typing Sarah did it with thinking.
I have a copy of the burial record so if you pm me your email address I can send you a copy :D
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I understand. I often make that kind of typo myself. :)
Would it be possible to send me a copy of the burial record?
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Hi you will have to pm your email address cannot attach to this message
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Interestingly, the NFHS MI cd gives the grave no as 5894, not 5907.
While there are inscriptions for Hannah and John, there is none for Susan.
garibaldired
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Are you sure you have the right John and Hannah if so then the NFHS MI cd is wrong the grave is 5907, I have a copy of Susan's burial record and have seen the grave record. The grave is in the St Marys Mount Section of the Cemetery
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Yes I have the right couple (they are"mine") and until you posted this had accepted the NFHS cd information.
Thanks very much for the correction.
garibaldired
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Sorry garibaldired had to go off-line last night.
Right OK, I'll check out the grave 5894 next time I'm at the archives, would you like me to get copies of John and Hannah's burial and grave records for you. I'll be going next week, if so pm me your email address. :D
nottsgirl1
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Thanks very much I'd appreciate that.
I'll pm you with my email address.
garibaldired
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Hi,
thanks for the PM, It will be next week now.
Nottsgirl1
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No problem.
Thanks again,
garibaldired
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Hello everyone,
I am new to this site so bare with me! I have recently been diving into my family's history and I came across my 4th great grandfather and found that he was a patient at Nottingham Borough Asylum. I wanted to see if anyone in the area could look up his records for me. I am in America so I am unable to look up his archives. His information is the following
Edward Bowring Jr
Born 1845 in Manesfield, Northhamptonshire, England
Death unknown
The record I found says he was 55 as a patient and was there in 1901. I know he lived at least till 66. Any information as to why he was a patient at this place would be so helpful and interesting!
Thank you!!
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This could be his death:
Deaths March quarter 1926 Edward Bowring age 81 Nottingham 7b 472
Have you found him in 1911 to see if he is back with his family - or no longer in the asylum?
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From ancestry:
Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
Edwd Bowring
Admission Date 24 Jan 1894
Institution Notts B at Nottinghamshire, England
Added:
Out on 9th April 1910 (!! - 16 years) with the 'recovered' column ticked.
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Wow thank you!
From the census records, he was widowed and at 66 was in another place outside of the asylum. Does it have any info as to why he was there in the first place?
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Hi,
I can have a look at the Admissions and case books for you when i'm next in the archives in Nottingham.
NG
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Thank you so much nottsgirl1! That would be lovely!!
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Hi DTempleton,
I have already sent you a pm but have not heard back from you. If you still want a copy of the entry for Edward Bowring in the case book of the Asylum please pm me your email address as I now have a copy.
NG
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Hello, I am researching my Worton roots and only recently discovered (through the UK Lunacy Patients Admission Registers on Ancestry.co.uk) that my great grand uncle, Zaccheus Worton, born 1871 Arnold, Nottingham, was admitted 3 times to the Nottingham Borough Asylum. The first two admissions (7 May 1902 and 7 Jan. 1906) he was discharged about 6 months later. However the record for his admission on 15 June 1907 indicates that he died there 20 years later, 22 Nov. 1927. I was shocked to learn this. Before this series of admissions he worked as a joiner, probably with his father, Zaccheus Worton. He never married and still lived at home in the 1901 census. In the admission entry it states "M Pauper" which I take to mean Male, Pauper. I would like to know the circumstances of his admission to the asylum, would it have been a workhouse for the poor, or was there some medical condition? I haven't been able to find a census entry for him in the 1911 census. Were the residents of the asylum not enumerated? Any suggestions would be most gratefully received. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I asked my mother about this but she had no knowledge of this, clearly it was never spoken of in her family.
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Welcome to rootschat, WarBrideDaughter.
He should show on 1911 census, possibly under his initials, or mis-transcribed under his initials.
Have you managed to search and find the 1911 for Nottingham Borough Asylum and looked at the lists of entries for him?
Some background, if you have not already found it:
http://www.nottinghamhospitalshistory.co.uk/page130.html
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Hi WarBrideDaughter,
Welcome to rootschat, I'll have a look for you at the Asylum books for you I cannot remember off hand which books are open to view or which are still closed books I think the one's for 1927 will be still closed some admissions books are missing but may be able to look in the case books for him.
I may go into the archives today if not it will be next week.
NG
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Thank you to both chempat and nottsgirl1 for the welcome to rootschat and such quick responses to my query. :)
Thank you chempat for the link to the history of the asylum. It is very interesting reading, and somewhat reassuring re: the conditions and amenities there. I find it rather astonishing that it became so overcrowded so quickly, however I guess it served a large area. I haven't yet located the Nottingham Borough Asylum in the 1911 census but will try again at the library, and include variations of his name, which was often mistranscribed over the census years.
Thank you nottsgirl1 for your very kind offer to check at the Nottingham Archives. I forgot about the 100 year rule of course, but, as you say there may be something from his 1902 (patient #313437) or 1906 (patient #18965) admissions. Fingers crossed. I just find it so sad that he spent the last 20 years of his life there. :'(
Again, thank you so much for your help.
WarBrideDaughter
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If you look at the Nottingham Archives website it gives details about how to apply to see records marked "closed" or "restricted".
I was able to access such a record about a patient, on application.
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Thank you garibaldired. That might be a possibility in my case. Will see.
WarBrideDaughter
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Hi WarBrideDaughter,
I went into the archives today and had a look for Zaccheus Worton unfortunately the admissions books for 1902, 1907 and early 1906 are not there. Had a look in some case books that cover those years and he was not in them.
There is a Register of Deaths 1927-1930 but it is a closed access until 2031 Ref SO/HO/6/3/6/1
and a Death Notices 1925-1930 closed until 2031 Ref SO/HO/6/3/5/3
and a Chronic Registers 1888-1915 closed until 2016 Ref SO/HO/6/1/3/1
he could be in one of those which might have more details on and help to locate him in the cases books but as they are closed I cannot access them. You could email the archives and ask them to do a search giving them the Refs numbers with his name and the details that you have, they may charge a fee.
Sorry not much help to you :(
NG
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Dear Nottsgirl1,
Thank you so much for all of your work to locate records for Zaccheus Worton. I don't know how to thank you enough, you are so wonderful. You have given me all of these references to use when contacting the Nottingham Archives to request access to records. At the very least, one more year and a part of the record will be available. I've learned in the 11 years that I've been chipping away at my family history that patience is its own reward! Again, thank you so much for your assistance. You have been of immeasurable help.
WarBrideDaughter.
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This looks like the Ancestry link you might need to find the Asylum:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g1w/
It is piece 20592, so an exact search on that should also work.
(But cannot see him)