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Title: age of boy and uniform? dating please
Post by: melandjamie on Saturday 04 June 11 11:47 BST (UK)
yet again just a copy and we have no idea who or when this was taken. does anyone have any ideas on the uniform?
thanks you all again
Melissa

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Post by: rawlinson on Saturday 04 June 11 12:29 BST (UK)
looks italian to me
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Post by: melandjamie on Saturday 04 June 11 12:42 BST (UK)
thank but i'm not sure, the family is Australian with Irish heritage don't know of any Italian but you never know  :)
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Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 04 June 11 13:22 BST (UK)
He is wearing the British 1903 pattern Bandolier equipment, and what looks suspiciously like Beds and Herts collar dogs...

I suspect 1st Bn Bedfordshire Rifle Volunteers
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Post by: Seoras on Saturday 04 June 11 13:50 BST (UK)
Is that a bayonet on his left side Scrimnet?

Is there any info on the back Melissa? photographer's name etc.
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Post by: maidmarianoops on Saturday 04 June 11 14:01 BST (UK)
just for interest


sylvia

http://www.nzmr.org/kit.htm
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Post by: jim1 on Saturday 04 June 11 16:27 BST (UK)
Underneath his uniform he's wearing a starch collar which puts this early 1900's.Also agree with Scrimnet re. Regt.

jim
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Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 04 June 11 17:01 BST (UK)
Is that a bayonet on his left side Scrimnet?

Is there any info on the back Melissa? photographer's name etc.

yes it is...But cant make out which one!
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Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 04 June 11 17:03 BST (UK)
just for interest


sylvia

http://www.nzmr.org/kit.htm

Indeed, but as they are  mounted, and this chap has his puttees wound infantry style (bottom to top...the ones in the link top to bottom) this one is Inf

Also his uniform is in the manner of a Volunteer ;D
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Post by: melandjamie on Saturday 04 June 11 22:30 BST (UK)
Is that a bayonet on his left side Scrimnet?

Is there any info on the back Melissa? photographer's name etc.
unfortunatley all i have is a copy so there is nothing written on the back, i'll try and see which relitive has the original and see whats on the back
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Post by: melandjamie on Saturday 04 June 11 22:39 BST (UK)
thank you so much everyone you may have just solved a mystery  :)
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Post by: melandjamie on Sunday 05 June 11 03:12 BST (UK)
not sure if this is the place to ask but does anyone know if there is a site you can check by name for service history for this regiment? I'm hoping this chaps name is Samuel Hemphill he would have been 17 in 1903 and this guy looks about that age. He was born here in Australia but his parents are from Ireland and his dad went back in the late 1800's. I've lost all track of Samuel and can't find any records of him here in Australia so i'm thinking this might be him.

Thanks in advance
Melissa
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Post by: jim1 on Sunday 05 June 11 10:52 BST (UK)
What are his parents names?

jim
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Post by: melandjamie on Sunday 05 June 11 11:45 BST (UK)
his parents names were Jane and John Hemphill mothers maiden name was caldwell sometimes seen as Cromwell originally from Antrim but immigrated to Australia in 1878. there was 4 boys John born 1882 James born 1884 Samuel born 1886 and George born 1888. All the other boys i have found here in Australia but Samuel disappeared in 1897 when he was placed on a reformatory ship called the Sobraon. His parents divorced and his father supposedly moved back to Ireland so maybe he moved there to live with him
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Post by: melandjamie on Sunday 05 June 11 11:50 BST (UK)
also do you think that this boy is the same one in the other photo i have on here with the boy with the umbrella? i think they look alike enough to be related but not sure if they are the same person or not.
thanks for all your help and sorry to ask so many questions  :)
Melissa
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Post by: jim1 on Sunday 05 June 11 16:39 BST (UK)
The other one is at least 10 years earlier & maybe longer so I can't see how they can be brothers.

jim
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Post by: IgorStrav on Sunday 05 June 11 17:49 BST (UK)
I think they are the same boy
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Post by: IgorStrav on Sunday 05 June 11 17:49 BST (UK)
Defer to Jim's expertise.  Related, then?  Very similar ears, I thought
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Post by: bearkat on Sunday 05 June 11 18:07 BST (UK)
Has one photo benn flipped (mirror image)?

The more prominent ear and short eyebrow have swapped sides. :-\
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Post by: IgorStrav on Sunday 05 June 11 18:18 BST (UK)
Jim says that they can't be the same boy.  I think in the lower photo the boy has two prominent ears, and you're right, Bearcat, in the upper photo the boy has one ear which sticks out more than the other.

But I still think there is a general similarity, and the ears - whether sticky out or not - have a similar shape on the two boys.
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Post by: km1971 on Sunday 05 June 11 19:00 BST (UK)
Hi Melissa

They were the 3rd Volunteer Battalion of the Bedfordshire Regiment from December 1887 based in Bedford. The badge is a hart with both front legs in a ford. A better scan would show if it has one or two scrolls below. Two scrolls would indicate 4th VB based in Huntingdon.

The 1st VB were based in Hertford and the 2nd VB in Hemel Hempstead. Both these had badges with the hart with one foreleg raised. The Bedford Regiment was the county regiment of both Beds and Herts.

To be in the Volunteers you had to live locally as they attended every week. So knowing where he was living should confirm which VB he was in.

Ken
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Post by: melandjamie on Monday 06 June 11 08:26 BST (UK)
Thank Km but unfortunatley i don't know who this is let alone were they lived lol. I'm trying to get the original photo so hopefully hat will shed some more light on the subject
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Post by: melandjamie on Monday 11 July 11 03:01 BST (UK)
Hello again  ;D
well this just gets stranger and stranger.
I've got a hold of the original photo and on the back is written
George Washington Lincoln Hemphill. He was born in Sydney Australia 4/7/1888 and died in Australia 1948 and as far as i can tell he never left Australia but here he is posing in an Irish uniform??? The family originated from Ireland and i'm pretty sure his father moved back tere when they got divorced.
Now i'm totally confused any suggestions?

Thanks  ;D
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Post by: IgorStrav on Monday 11 July 11 09:28 BST (UK)
Dont forget the attribution on the back of the photo may be wrong. Photographs of friends and relations were distributed widely, so this might be a photograph of someone else entirely, and a later person has guessed who it is.

Not helpful, I know, but possible to explain the mystery.
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Post by: jim1 on Monday 11 July 11 11:41 BST (UK)
Is there anything else on the back re. photographer or is it completely plain.

jim