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Title: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: banora on Friday 03 June 11 11:30 BST (UK)
Hi,  I am trying to find name of the wife of Eric John Hamilton Boxall, he was b 1867 in Scotland, was living in South Manchester, Lancashire England in 1901 he had a daughter Marjory Enid Hamilton Boxall b 1914 and died 1979, I can't find anything on his wife, hoping someone may be able to help.
Many thanks ???
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 03 June 11 11:47 BST (UK)
I can't find a birth for Marjorie in Lancashire, but I did find this:

December qtr 1915
Lambeth district    Vol 1d, Page 536
Boxshall, Marjorie E
Mother's maiden name: Smith


Do you have a reference for the 1901 census?
Am having trouble finding Eric!
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: banora on Friday 03 June 11 13:19 BST (UK)
Reference from Census (1901) RG 13,
 Piece  3682...
Folio  90...
Page  10. 
Reg district : Chorlton,
 sub registration :Ardwick
Lists him as John Hamilton and Marjory b in 1900?  maybe this is not the correct person, although have him as being born in Scotland abt 1867
not sure where else to look.
 :-\
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 03 June 11 13:25 BST (UK)
Perhaps tying up to the Lambeth reference, freebmd have a marriage with John Boxall and Emma Smith on the same page (Jun qtr 1894 Lambeth 1d 586)

Ancestry has the marriage:
June 24th 1894, Lambeth St Andrew
John Boxall / 21 / Bachelor / Decorator / 55 Wootton St / George Boxall / Oilman
Emma Smith / 18 / Spinster / 66 Waldick Buildings / Moses Smith / Carman
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: willie bat on Friday 03 June 11 13:39 BST (UK)
Reference from Census (1901) RG 13,
 Piece  3682...
Folio  90...
Page  10. 
Reg district : Chorlton,
 sub registration :Ardwick
Lists him as John Hamilton and Marjory b in 1900?  maybe this is not the correct person, although have him as being born in Scotland abt 1867
not sure where else to look.
 :-\

I don't think this is your man as  the name is not really a close match.
Did spot Marjory E Hamilton-Boxall marring a Frederick C Bishop Dec 1/4 1931
West Ashford, Kent if it helps.
But could find no link to Manchester and your Eric or Marjory.   :-\
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 03 June 11 13:41 BST (UK)
Perhaps tying up to the Lambeth reference, freebmd have a marriage with John Boxall and Emma Smith on the same page (Jun qtr 1894 Lambeth 1d 586)

Ancestry has the marriage:
June 24th 1894, Lambeth St Andrew
John Boxall / 21 / Bachelor / Decorator / 55 Wootton St / George Boxall / Oilman
Emma Smith / 18 / Spinster / 66 Waldick Buildings / Moses Smith / Carman

If the birth place in Scotland is definite, then I guess these can be ruled out - appears this John was born in PLumstead, Kent RG13; Piece: 406; Folio: 143; Page: 16 (enumerated as Brall)
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: willie bat on Friday 03 June 11 13:47 BST (UK)
I can't find a birth for Marjorie in Lancashire, but I did find this:

December qtr 1915
Lambeth district    Vol 1d, Page 536
Boxshall, Marjorie E
Mother's maiden name: Smith


Do you have a reference for the 1901 census?
Am having trouble finding Eric!


There seems to be a fair few BoSHall's born Lambeth with a mothers maiden name of Smith From 1911 to 1920 ?
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: willie bat on Friday 03 June 11 13:50 BST (UK)
It might be helpfull if you told us where you do have Eric John Hamilton Boxall on any census/ Occupation and other family members?
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: banora on Saturday 04 June 11 11:03 BST (UK)
To begin I want to thank you all for the help and trouble you have gone to ;Willie bat,  spidermonkey and Kgarrad.
The Marjory E Hamilton-Boxhall who married Frederick C. Bishop 1/4 1931,West Ashford,Kent is the Marjory I am looking for.
I have been given this project by a distant relation whose son was tracing her family for her before he died. She would like to have Marjory's mothers name,  I am just trying to piece it together, the reference to Eric living in South Manchester was just on the bottom of an entry he made on his research, but I can't find it in the census other than the one he quoted being for a John Hamilton.  But she stresses the place of birth is definitely Scotland!
Sorry I can't be too much help still trying to fathom out family.

I do appreciate your help you all have given.
B :)
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: carol8353 on Saturday 04 June 11 11:31 BST (UK)
Hi Banora

So does your friend have that 1931 marr cert?

If so can you let us know all the info on it from Marjory's side of the family.
Is her dad said to be still alive in 1931?

Who were the witnesses and what addresses does it give?

Where did Marjory die and under what surname?

Carol
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Barbara.H on Saturday 04 June 11 11:48 BST (UK)
Hi to all,

I am just trying to piece it together, the reference to Eric living in South Manchester was just on the bottom of an entry he made on his research, but I can't find it in the census other than the one he quoted being for a John Hamilton.  But she stresses the place of birth is definitely Scotland!

Just to say I had a quick look on Scotland's People and there are no registered births coming up at all for an Eric Boxall on the free search (with the 'soundex' option on), but plenty for John Boxall! Dozens of them in fact! I'll keep trying the spelling variants .... Any idea what area of Scotland he was born?

 :) Barbara

Edit the above: No Eric Boxalls born Scotland  between 1855 and 1900 that is; there are 4 born between 1900 and 1950  :-\

Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 04 June 11 18:39 BST (UK)
Just a wild thought - as it came up somewhen in another thread!

Could Eric's place of birth be Spotland?
Spotland being (now) a part of Rochdale?
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: carol8353 on Saturday 04 June 11 19:22 BST (UK)

Could Eric's place of birth be Spotland?
Spotland being (now) a part of Rochdale?

It could indeed be that,but we still can't find him  ;D
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Gibel on Saturday 04 June 11 20:17 BST (UK)
When, where and under what name was her death registered?

Gibel
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: mosiefish on Saturday 04 June 11 20:35 BST (UK)
Australia and probably under the surname of Ghent!  There is a public members tree, but it isn`t exactly correct as far as I can see.  Sailed to Australia in 1950 and her age was given as 46 on the passenger list.  Also as far as I can see their son born in1939 has the mothers maiden name listed as Hamilton not Boxhall. I won`t name him as he may be still alive.  I may be off the mark but it is as far as I have got so far.

Mo
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Gibel on Saturday 04 June 11 21:11 BST (UK)
I wonder if she was born as Hamilton but then mother took up with Mr Boxall and she became Hamilton - Boxall

What happened to Mr Bishop?

Gibel
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Gibel on Saturday 04 June 11 21:25 BST (UK)
If it's not already been obtained I think the marriage certificate to Frederick Bishop needs to be bought to see what it says about Marjory's father

I also think Marjory's death certificate needs to be obtained. I believe Australian death certificates have more information on them than oEngland and Welsh ones do so it could be really helpful. Maybe place of birth and mother's name

It seems a little odd a 17 year old girl marrying a 61 year old man something seems wrong there.

Certainly seem an interesting family!

Gibel

Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: carol8353 on Saturday 04 June 11 23:21 BST (UK)
Australia and probably under the surname of Ghent!  There is a public members tree, but it isn`t exactly correct as far as I can see.  Sailed to Australia in 1950 and her age was given as 46 on the passenger list.  Also as far as I can see their son born in1939 has the mothers maiden name listed as Hamilton not Boxhall. I won`t name him as he may be still alive.  I may be off the mark but it is as far as I have got so far.

Mo

The daughter born in 1935 seems to have a different mothers maiden name,so was her mum a different lady?

Can't see that Ghent/Bishop/Hamilton mariage though?

Mmmm there is a Gordon G Ghent and a Madge E Reeves in 1934 in Sailisbury.

And yes Madge did sadly die in 1937.

Deaths Jun 1937
   
Ghent  Madge E  age 31  Southampton  2c 86

Carol
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: banora on Sunday 05 June 11 00:08 BST (UK)
Hi all,  I know she died 6th May 1979 in Sydney New South Wales,Australia not sure which name she died under(can't find the record).  Notice in the notes I was given a mention of a Gordon Godfrey Ghent b Johannesburg Sth Africa 1907 and died NSW Australia 1981 I can't find a marriage between these 2.
I have Frederick C Bishop's dod as 1962.

Mosiefish, I am not certain about there being different mothers, this was what my relatiions were trying to find out as they said the mother was listed as Unknown??   Waiting to contact them to see if they have the marriage cert. of F,Bishop (she is away for another week so can't contact her till then).
regards B.
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: banora on Sunday 05 June 11 00:24 BST (UK)
Add Update   Marjory E H Boxall   Bishop   Oct-Nov-Dec 1931   West Ashford   Kent   2a   2344 ....This is what I found in Marriages registered in October-Dec 1931 for the marriage to Bishop.

Barb
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 05 June 11 08:07 BST (UK)
[quote author=willie bat link=topic=536396.msg3904038#msg3904038

Did spot Marjory E Hamilton-Boxall marring a Frederick C Bishop Dec 1/4 1931
West Ashford, Kent if it helps.

Quote

Willie Bat found this a couple of days ago  ;)

I have looked on the NSW death indexes and canot find a Marjory/ie anyone dying in 1979  ???
Carol
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 05 June 11 08:23 BST (UK)
I've just found these two deaths in the NSW registry of deaths,are they her I wonder?

9850/1979  GHENT  GLORY fathers name DIED MOSMAN  mothers name 074     
9850/1979  GHENT  MADGE EVELINE  same as above.   

Carol
Title: Re: looking for spouse of eric John Hamilton Boxall
Post by: Spidermonkey on Sunday 05 June 11 09:49 BST (UK)
Suspect that there might not be a Ghent/Bishop-Hamilton-Boxall marriage (at least not in the normal course of events) due to Mr Bishop not dying until the mid 1960s.

Ancestry not letting me in at the moment, but will get full reference when it does ..............