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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Barntap on Thursday 02 June 11 11:18 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find where my Great Grandparents are buried. Great Grandfather died in August 1915 in Parnell Street and my Great Grandma died in March 1919 at an address on the North Circular Road. They had a son who died in July 1902 (aged 16) in Jervis Street I have tried the on line records for Glasnevin but they are not there. They were in the Pro-Cathedral Parish. My Great Grandfather was a Stone Cutter and most probably worked for Dublin Corporation. Any help or advice would be appreciated.
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Can you give us some information to work with? Name(s) and perhaps any possible variations would be helpful
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Thank you for the email. The family name was Murray. My Great Grandparents John (born in Sandyford) and Anne (born in Wicklow) lived in Dublin and were married at the Pro-Cathedral in 1880. John died in 1915 and Anne in 1919.
My Great Great Grandparents - William and Jane (Connor) were married in Sandyford in 1846. In the late 1850s when another Son, Thomas, was born they lived at Woodside, Glencullen. They had two other children, Mary Jane and James.
Both William and John Murray were Stonecutters.
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they may have been buried in a graveyard in the Sandyford area ...
or perhaps Deansgrange - many of my Northside relations are buried in Deansgrange.
if you live near Dublin, the Deansgrange Burial Registers are available in Pearse St Library
eadaoin
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I don't live in Dublin - that is the problem. I live in Blackpool UK so it is very difficult finding out about the graveyards. I know they are not in Glasnevin (done the online search) or Mount Jerome. Mount Jerome only interred Catholics after 1922. They could be in Sandyford or Glencullen but I haven't managed to find out the names of the graveyards.
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quite a number of graveyards in Co. Dublin - see this link in the Dublin Resources section - DUBLIN GRAVEYARDS (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,501983.msg3588178.html#msg3588178)
includes a useful map and other details from DublinHeritage : link (http://dublinheritage.ie/graveyards/browse.php)
Shane
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Hi Shane
Thanks for the links. I have had a look but as I live in Blackpool England, I am a bit lost as to where all the graveyards are. Is it possible to let me know which graveyards are Roman Catholic and are in the Sandyford/Glencullen area. As the men in the family were Stonecutters perhaps they do have a family grave in that area.
Many thanks
Pat
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The problem often encountered with RC burials is that details are not usually kept in the registers - for example the two RC graveyards in Glencullen (Glencullen Old and St. Patricks), both in the RC parish of Sandyford, neither have burial records available. There are however some headstone transcriptions for certain dates available, so if your family had a headstone they may be listed in these - see the details on the Dublin Heritage website : Glencullen Old (http://dublinheritage.ie/graveyards/search.php?graveid=90) and Glencullen, St. Patrick (http://dublinheritage.ie/graveyards/search.php?graveid=91)
The cemetery in Kiltiernan is church of Ireland, and not sure if Kilgobbin is RC, Church of Ireland - or mixed.
I would also consider Deans Grange (http://dublinheritage.ie/graveyards/search.php?graveid=71), as mentioned earlier by eadaoin - it's a large cemetery in South County Dublin, which opened in 1865.
One possible method to finding out which cemetery the burials took place is to check to see if either of them had a death notice in a newspaper. These sometimes mentioned where the burial would take place.
Shane
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Barntap
Do not rule out Mount Jerome I found catholic relatives buried there in both private and common graves buried before 1922
It was not common but was possible
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They lived at 52.2 Jervis street in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/dublin/north_city/Jervis_street/1332895
but not listed there in 1911
John aged 40, Anne 40, Mary 19, James 16, Willaim 14, Harriet 10 and Annie 5
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In the 1911 Census they were in Great Britain Street which became Parnell Street. William the son died (in 1902) while they were at Jervis Street, John died (in 1915) at 180 Parnell Street and Anne the wife died (in 1919) at 611 North Circular Road. There was another daughter, Margaret Mary born in 1891 and she was my Grandma. She came to Blackpool and is buried here in Layton Cemetery.
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Sorry, missed off Margaret age 8. living at 52.2 in Jervis Street this must be your grandma
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Yes - Margaret is the one missing. She is the easy one - I know where she is buried!
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john Murray aged 56 buried at Glasnevin and a Anne Murray aged 64 also a William aged 5M spelling mistake were Irish ages are concern did not alway tell the truth.
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Thanks. Glasnevin is the most likely place but I have already checked there. I have even spoken to a very helpful lady there who checked for burials from the addresses I have. It did, in fact, throw up a burial of a baby that I was looking for!
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Have now checked the Church at Glencullen and there are no burial records. They only started recording deaths two years ago.
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1915 was the start of the uprisings in ireland and, did your relatives get caught up in the troubles.
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I don't know the answer to that one. I have no knowledge of my Grandma's life in Dublin before she came to Blackpool. I am trying to track down relatives who may still live in Dublin that may have some old photos and papers from that time. My Grandma apparently never talked to her daughters about her life in Dublin, apart from some trips back to visit two of her sisters. My Grandma died before I was born so I didn't know her at all but I just have a very strong wish to find the graves of her parents and grandparents.
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I dont know if you've already looked in to the location of your Murray/Connors family in detail...
Woodside is a townland of about 154 acres, it's located on the Enniskerry Road (both sides), and just south of Lamb's cross. You can see a map of this on the OSI website at : link (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,718618,725225,6,7) (click the 6" historic option for the best view)
Shane
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Thank you for the link. When I first saw Woodside on a birth certificate, I thought it was the name of the house but have since found out it is an area. Would the cemetery at St Patricks Glencullen be the only Roman Catholic one nearby or would there by any more?
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there was a house/estate named Woodside, but it was built later on - it was on the west side of the Enniskerry road.
Woodside is close to Sandyford village where the parish church was (and still is), but no historic cemetery listed there on the DublinHeritage list. The closest are the ones mentioned earlier ..
The parish of Sandyford is quite large and extended out from near Goatstown to the north and as far south as the Co. Wicklow border near Enniskerry
Shane
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going on the theory that Harriet Goodman was infact the grandmother in 1901 rather than just a boarder I found a civil record that fits with your date of marriage
Dublin North Oct-Dec 1880 V2 P491 Anne GOODMAN with a match for John MURRAY
If this is correct and the fact that Harriet is not listed anywhere in 1911 this death record may be her
Rathdrum Jan-Mar 1902 aged 64 V2 P777
This record if proven correct could give an address and therefore a pointer to where she is buried
Also if this is William
Dublin North Jul-Sep 1902 aged 16 V2 P361
then he may have been buried with his grandmother as their deaths were so close
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You are right with all the information. I have all those certificates. I think Harriet's husband James Goodman perhaps died in 1868 (aged 38 most probably older as he was born around 1820) in Dublin and I haven't been able to find where he is buried. James and Harriet originally came from Wicklow. They were married in Wicklow Parish on 15th November 1842. James was a sailor. As yet, I haven't found birth records. I need to look at the Parish records again when next in Dublin.
Is Rathdrum actually in Wicklow or is it still in Co. Dublin and are there any cemeteries that would be close to her place of death?
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http://www.iancantwell.com/BrianCantwellMemorials.html
http://www.iancantwell.com/WWWXnamesindex.pdf
gives 3 Goodman refs.
May be of interest - might be worth asking if anyone on this Board has access to a library with a copy. People from Sandyford were quite often buried in Enniskerry or Curtlestown graveyards. Cantwell would be a good place to start. It is not always 100% comprehensive, and it is possible that no tombstone was erected.
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Thanks for all your help. Do I ask the question under this thread or start a new one?
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Not sure what the ettiquette is - mayby a moderator could comment? :)PM
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since most of the background details are already in the thread, it's probably simplest just to explain the exact details (date, location etc) you are interested in from Cantwells here
I'll add a mention of Cantwell's to the thread title, just to make it clear
Leinster Moderator
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If he was married at the pro-cathedral he might have been buried there.
http://www.procathedral.ie/about-us
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There's no graveyard at the Pro Cathedral
There are a small number of burials in vaults, but I think they were used by important people connected to the parish - e.g. benefactors, and clergy
Shane
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Cantwell lookup.
Would it be possible for anyone to do a lookup for me? The names of the family are :
William Christopher Murray died 1st July 1902 - in Jervis Street, Dublin
John Murray (aged 52) died 9th August 1915 - Parnell Street, Dublin
Anne Murray(aged 57) died 1st March 1919 - North Circular Road, Dublin.
Harriet Goodman (aged 64) died 1st January 1902 in Wicklow - death registered in Rathdrum.
Many thanks
Pat
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sorry - Cantwell only covers up to about 1880.. see the links posted by Pastmagic above..
The field work, conducted between 1970-91, include all visible legible memorials in graveyards up to 1880...
I think Pastmagic may have been referring to this source as a possible line of investigation for the earlier Goodman connection
Shane
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I was in Pearse St library today looking at Deansgrange Burial Registers - I checked one of your people
I looked for Anne Murray in March 1919, and I didn't find her .. I looked carefully, but of course there's always human error. It looks as if you can probably forget Deansgrange?
of course, it's possible that William or John could be there.
eadaoin
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sorry - Cantwell only covers up to about 1880.. see the links posted by Pastmagic above..
The field work, conducted between 1970-91, include all visible legible memorials in graveyards up to 1880...
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I found some notes which suggest that there maybe some exceptions to this rule :
..... inscriptions bearing dates later than 1860
have not, with certain exceptions, been copied. The exceptions
are: 1) where inscriptions bearing later dates are on the same
memorial, then all have been copied. 2) adjacent memorials bear
the same or related names have been listed irrespective of dates....
Shane
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Yes Shane, I was thinking of the Goodman part of the tree. And also thinking of something that has happened a lot in my family - people who lived in and near Dublin were often buried in their parents or grandparents graves down the country. As recently as 1980 I have an elderly cousin who lived all his life in Dublin, but was buried in the family plot in Donegal. PM