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I am trying to find a marriage certificate for James Frank Bowman (b. 1833 or 1838 - Wisbeach, Cambs) and Elizabeth Chinnery (b. abt 1837 - Lynn, Norfolk). Elizabeth Chinery is listed as "Betsy Bowman" on the census of 1871; however she is noted as Elizabeth Chinnery on her first daugther's birth certificate issued in 1864.
The family appear to have moved to Bethnal Green, but I can't say when. James is a private coachman (on his daughter's birth certificate in 1864), so I might presume both were servants prior to marriage.
I have full access to all the indexes on ancestry and I've tried searching on the LDS Family Search site to no avail, i.e. there doesn't appear to be any official record of James and Elizabeth marrying, though his second marriage to Frances Ann Bray was easily obtained. They are the victims of a horrible mis-transcription which I am unable to unravel or just told everyone they were married, but they weren't, which would be odd given James Frank Bowman is listed as a widower on his second marriage certificate.
My question is: If I have exhausted searches at ancestry and LDS, where do I go from here in trying to locate a marriage certificate?
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Hi
It's not on Freebmd either. http://www.freebmd.org.uk
It doesn't look as if they married. Perhaps if they lived together for a long time and especially if they had children, he thought it best to describe himself as a widower on his second marriage.
Added: There is this entry on Freebmd, where obviously the details are illegible, would be hard luck if it was the one you needed.
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
Bowman James * _a 11_7
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Hi
The 1871 census shows James as a plumbers labourer - not a coachman
They are mis-transcribed in 1861 as Bowruao and living in Warwickshire so any marriage may be pre-1861
James 27 labourer b Wisbech
Elizabeth 23 b ??Saddlebow Norfolk
RG9 Piece 2201 Folio 87 Page 19
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Hi,
There is a marriage 1861 Q1 Holbeach 7A 415
James Bowman
Bride either Elizabeth Chinery or Emma Pulford
Other groom was Francis Law Walker if you wish to cross reference them on the census
Geoff
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Per freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1861
James Bowman Holbeach 7a 415
Elizabeth Chinery
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How did I miss that? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Jan ;D
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Per freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1861
James Bowman Holbeach 7a 415
Elizabeth Chinery
How the hell did I miss that? Thank you so much for this.
The 1871 census shows James as a plumbers labourer - not a coachman
They are mis-transcribed in 1861 as Bowruao and living in Warwickshire so any marriage may be pre-1861
James 27 labourer b Wisbech
Elizabeth 23 b ??Saddlebow Norfolk
RG9 Piece 2201 Folio 87 Page 19
Thank you for this.
So, now my question is: what am I doing wrong? Why, after hours and hours of trying over several weeks, could I not find these records? What should I have searched for?
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How did I miss that? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Jan ;D
Per freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1861
James Bowman Holbeach 7a 415
Elizabeth Chinery
How the hell did I miss that? Thank you so much for this.
Maybe you searched for Chinnery with 2 "n's"?
Maybe you were looking for the marriage in the bride's parish?
Maybe the record was added after you searched? (I was unable to find an ancestors marriage on Freebmd one week and when I returned a week later it was there! :o It has appeared as if by magic! ;))
;D
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Thank you for your suggestions. I searched for Chinery, Chinnery, Elizabeth, Betsy, James, James Frank, Beauman, Bowmann, Boman, and all sorts of combinations, excluding and including information as I went. I investigated over 100 pages of searches individually on ancestry. I had his father's name, Henry Christian Bowman to aid me in my search, but this also led me nowhere. :-\
It was in sheer desperation I turned to the experts here at Rootschat, because I just couldn't find it. I really just can't figure out how people here can find these records, but I am very, very grateful you can. ;D
Thank you folks, I am off to purchase the certificate and find out more about her parents now. :D
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I decided to check the 1861 to see if James was single at that time so I just searched on James b Cambridge** 1834 + - 2yrs then looked for dodgy spellings of Bowman
They don't come more dodgy than Bowruao !!
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I decided to check the 1861 to see if James was single at that time so I just searched on James b Cambridge** 1834 + - 2yrs then looked for dodgy spellings of Bowman
They don't come more dodgy than Bowruao !!
Indeed! ;D :D ;D
I must admit given how many records were returned for "James Bowman", "James Boman", etc. I would never have considered searching using his given name, date and place of birth alone - the prospect might have been too daunting. Next time, I will give it a try though.
Thanks again. ;D