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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: kesham on Wednesday 01 June 11 01:46 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for my father in laws family, I have no idea where they came from but do know they married in Australia.
This is what info I have..
Father in Laws name is John Albert Griffiths born 1910 Sydney
His Fathers Name is John Albert Griffiths brn abt 1881
Mother name Louisa Anne Griffiths ( Nee Colebrook ) brn abt 1881
They married 26th March 1907 in Leichhardt
If anyone could please help me it would be so much appreciated or even give me some links to search..
K :)
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Hello kesham and a big Welcome to Roostchat ;D
You can search these people yourself at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
Maybe these are your people?
Births:
5957/1879 GRIFFITHS JOHN A JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
4025/1881 COLEBROOK LOUISA A THOMAS ELIZA M BALMAIN
Their marriage:
1687/1907 GRIFFITHS JOHN A COLEBROOK LOUISA A LEICHHARDT
Birth:
30823/1910 GRIFFITHS JOHN A JOHN A LOUISA A PETERSHAM
Louisa's parents marriage:
2977/1867 COLEBROOK THOMAS EDWARDS ELIZA M RYDE
Regards
Alison
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Yes Thanks Allison,
I have all these certificates, what I am looking for is where John Albert Griffiths ( brn 1881 ) came from, I cant seem to find any info of where they are from I know his mothers name was Rebecca Fleming and of course his fathers name was John Albert, these are on his marriage cert to Louisa, John ( his father ) was deseased at the time of their marriage...
I really want to find out how long they have been in Australia and what country they came fom, I am presuming it will be England but not 100% sure
Roz :)
Hello kesham and a big Welcome to Roostchat ;D
You can search these people yourself at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
Maybe these are your people?
Births:
5957/1879 GRIFFITHS JOHN A JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
4025/1881 COLEBROOK LOUISA A THOMAS ELIZA M BALMAIN
Their marriage:
1687/1907 GRIFFITHS JOHN A COLEBROOK LOUISA A LEICHHARDT
Birth:
30823/1910 GRIFFITHS JOHN A JOHN A LOUISA A PETERSHAM
Louisa's parents marriage:
2977/1867 COLEBROOK THOMAS EDWARDS ELIZA M RYDE
Regards
Alison
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Hi kesham,
John Albert was born in 1879 not 1881, as per the details that Allison gave you and his birth was registered in Paddington. There doesn't seem to be any indication in the indexes that the father also had the middle name "Albert".
The 1879 birth certificate will give you the places of birth for both his mother Rebecca and his father John and also their marriage details. As you say, they could have come from anywhere.
This would appear to be his brother Charles Russell GRIFFITHS
http://deepthought.hass.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=119978
Digitised service records are at
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
Rebecca's funeral notices - 1938
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dj7/
Debra :)
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Hi Debra
Thanks for all that info, do you think if I ordered Rebecca's death certificate I could get more info on her, But I still need to get John's info and as far as I know John Albert has been going down the line for generations,
I need to maybe find out when he died but I have no idea of his parent's name, well his fathers name would have been John, have no idea of his mum's name thou... Maybe there wedding certificate may help me ( John & Rebecca's ) what do you think..
Kesham
Hi kesham,
John Albert was born in 1879 not 1881, as per the details that Allison gave you and his birth was registered in Paddington. There doesn't seem to be any indication in the indexes that the father also had the middle name "Albert".
The 1879 birth certificate will give you the places of birth for both his mother Rebecca and his father John and also their marriage details. As you say, they could have come from anywhere.
This would appear to be his brother Charles Russell GRIFFITHS
http://deepthought.hass.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=119978
Digitised service records are at
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
Rebecca's funeral notices - 1938
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dj7/
Debra :)
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Hello again ,
Here are some siblings { of course would have to be verified}
5251/1878 GRIFFITHS JOSEPH JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
7013/1881 GRIFFITHS EMMA JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
17622/1884 GRIFFITHS WILLIAM S JOHN REBECCA RYDE
4810/1885 GRIFFITHS ELSIE M JOHN REBECCA BALMAIN
Rebecca's death :
908/1938 GRIFFITHS REBECCA ALEXANDER REBECCA DRUMMOYNE
The Field of Mars cemetery is usually searchable online but I can't get it to work today ???
http://www.catholiccemeteries.org.au/
If we could find Rebecca's burial she may be buried with John which would help us narrow down the entries for his death .
John and Rebecca's Marriage certificate should list both parents of bride and groom.
233/1936 GRIFFITHS JOHN ALBERT JOHN REBECCA SYDNEY
Charles' death :
36655/1966 GRIFFITHS CHARLES RUSSELL JOHN REBECCA BURWOOD
5601/1967 GRIFFITHS JOHN ALBERT JOHN ALBERT LOUISA ANN SYDNEY
Regards
Alison
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The information on death certificates can be unreliable. The 1879 birth certificate for John Albert will give you the places of birth for both his mother Rebecca and his father John and also their marriage details.
A marriage certificate would be great, do you know where they married?
Debra :)
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This looks like a likely scenario:
NSW Baptism
1850
V18501181 50
FLEMING, REBECCA Parents ALEXANDER & REBECCA
NSW Marriage
1873
#1432
BENTLEY, JOSEPH
FLEMING, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
NSW Marriage
1877
#1698
1877
GRIFFITH, JOHN
BENTLEY, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
Debra :)
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Thanks again Alison
I have tried to find John and Rebecca's marriage on BDM but cant find it, this is why I am thinking maybe John and Rebecca married overseas somewhere, ( this is what I need to find out )
Also does Fields of Mars have Church of England online???? im sure they wher COE not Catholic
Kesham
Hello again ,
Here are some siblings { of course would have to be verified}
5251/1878 GRIFFITHS JOSEPH JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
7013/1881 GRIFFITHS EMMA JOHN REBECCA PADDINGTON
17622/1884 GRIFFITHS WILLIAM S JOHN REBECCA RYDE
4810/1885 GRIFFITHS ELSIE M JOHN REBECCA BALMAIN
Rebecca's death :
908/1938 GRIFFITHS REBECCA ALEXANDER REBECCA DRUMMOYNE
The Field of Mars cemetery is usually searchable online but I can't get it to work today ???
http://www.catholiccemeteries.org.au/
If we could find Rebecca's burial she may be buried with John which would help us narrow down the entries for his death .
John and Rebecca's Marriage certificate should list both parents of bride and groom.
233/1936 GRIFFITHS JOHN ALBERT JOHN REBECCA SYDNEY
Charles' death :
36655/1966 GRIFFITHS CHARLES RUSSELL JOHN REBECCA BURWOOD
5601/1967 GRIFFITHS JOHN ALBERT JOHN ALBERT LOUISA ANN SYDNEY
Regards
Alison
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I hve John and Rebecca's son John marriage certificate and it does say his mums name was rebecca Fleming
So I dont think these 2 are the ones im looking for
Not sure about the Batism thou... I really nned to find her parents name
This looks like a likely scenario:
NSW Baptism
1850
V18501181 50
FLEMING, REBECCA Parents ALEXANDER & REBECCA
NSW Marriage
1873
#1432
BENTLEY, JOSEPH
FLEMING, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
NSW Marriage
1877
#1698
1877
GRIFFITH, JOHN
BENTLEY, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
Debra :)
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The death of Joseph BENTLEY and it looks like their second child Florence must have been born just after Joseph's death
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0djc/
Debra :)
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Joseph and Rebecca's marriage notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0djd/
Debra :)
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Hey Debra
I dont think this is my Rebecca, she married a John not Joseph...
Joseph and Rebecca's marriage notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0djd/
Debra :)
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Hi kesham,
If you read Rebecca GRIFFITHS' funeral notice it mentions:
Mr A. BENTLEY - this would be Alexander, son of Rebecca from her first marriage to Joseph BENTLEY
Mr and Mrs C. JENNENS - this would be Florence, daughter of Rebecca from her first marriage to Joseph BENTLEY. Florence married Charles JENNENS in 1897.
It also mentions Rebecca's daughters from her second marriage to John GRIFFITHS - Emma and Lily, married surnames PERIGO and JACKSON.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dj7/
Debra :)
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So she married twice?? but why cant I find her marriage to John Griffiths???? if she married him after Joesph shouldnt there be a record???
Hi kesham,
If you read Rebecca GRIFFITHS' funeral notice it mentions:
Mr A. BENTLEY - this would be Alexander, son of Rebecca from her first marriage to Joseph BENTLEY
Mr and Mrs C. JENNENS - this would be Florence, daughter of Rebecca from her first marriage to Joseph BENTLEY. Florence married Charles JENNENS in 1897.
It also mentions Rebecca's daughters from her second marriage to John GRIFFITHS - Emma and Lily, married surnames PERIGO and JACKSON.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dj7/
Debra :)
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NSW Marriage
1873
#1432
BENTLEY, JOSEPH
FLEMING, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
NSW Marriage
1877
#1698
1877
GRIFFITH, JOHN
BENTLEY, REBECCA
(PADDINGTON)
Debra :)
I posted the two marriages in reply #7
Debra :)
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Ahhhh yes now I understand, I thought before it was the wrong Rebecca but now I understand when she married John she was Rebecca Bentley ( funny that name is in my family too ) not Fleming all falling into place now, so Now I'm off to BMD I need that certificate LOL
Thanks again Debra
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OOPS
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Hi Kesham,
I am getting a bit ahead of things, but I will post this for you as it seems to all fit together and again involves two marriages.
Info on Rebecca FLEMING's mother....
Marriage
21 Oct 1836
Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
Daniel GRAY
Rebecca TORRANCE
Immigration
Ship: Duncan
Arr. Sydney June 1838
Daniel GRAY
Aged 33 on 7 August 1837
Native of Scotland, County of Ross, Parish of Knockbain
Son of Thomas GRAY (Land Steward to Lieut. General McKENZIE of Liddy or Siddy?) and Jean McCLENNAN his wife
Occupation: Stone Mason
Read and write
Good Health
Presbyterian
His wife...
Rebecca GRAY
Aged 28 on 3 January 1838
Native of Ireland in the Town of Londonderry
Daughter of Edward TORRENS a farm servant and Elizabeth McURCHIN his wife
Occupation: Lived with her parents
Can read, cannot write
Good health
Presbyterian
Daughter Elizabeth aged about 5 months died on the voyage.
Baptisms
NSW
1839
V1839545 47
GRAY, THOMAS
Parents: DANIEL & REBECCA
1841
V18411491 47
GRAY, JOHN
Parents: DANIEL & REBECCA
Marriage
NSW
1846
V18464023 74B
FLEMING, ALEXANDER
TORRENS OR GRAY, REBECCA
Not sure what happened to Daniel - there is a death in 1838, but that one is too young.
Debra :)
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Thank you for all this info Debra, it is so appredciated.
Kesham